has been bogged down in stalemate for seventeen years now and almost all afghans have grown up knowing only conflict without any prospect of peace. i'm going to do to be dealing with an insurgency forever can any governments in kabul perswade the guerrillas to sit down and negotiate and when will the war torn country finally begin to start healing. deputy foreign minister nazir and the thank you very much for being part of the show today great pleasure to ghana's ten is always such a hot topic of discussion. so the latest version of afghan war that has been going on for seventeen years doesn't seem like anyone is close to claiming victory. how long do you think this stalemate will last. you see there is an effort to get through the what is. the still meds militarily. that is

an approach toward peace and reconciliation but the hunt. to continue with. elements because in this war and this fight with real serious terrorist groups. changed in a sense. therefore the destruction of the afghan community. but also dealt with in the region so. you know. focus on peace and the consolation to you. to bring stability in afghanistan we should also keep in mind that with the groups whose interest whose goal is to spread terrorism on it under extreme islam in the region we need to. continue to get rid of all of afghan leaders past present have told the same thing that this war needs to be negotiated till the very end is there

a reliable taliban leadership that could actually negotiate with. i think that has been one of the difficulties of the taliban's address on the leadership because the leadership is outside the country and we have these sure quit on the show. so to reach them. to find them has been a difficulty. you know in the past we have groups who are poor peace but then also you have groups who are against these more i think there is an obvious which is and there is a political office of parliament with who are to whom we are talking but then of course the elements within you know afghanistan they have a different approach to it. at least the alger that we have right now we are trying to reach peace with them what kind of a settlement is really stink right now what kind of concessions to the taliban in

a post-war settlement do you think are feasible. you see that is something that needs to be left for negotiations because we are not. at that stage we are right now the stage of facilitation so how do you best case scenario i'm sure you see probably my viscous somebody who would be. my own view but you know i need help the man needs the name assad government means you know the ass to be compromises the two sides has to accepts. this solution a compromise solution but one thing which is very clear and i think that this been made clear again and again by our leadership and also by the international community has including. russian federation and the leadership that we spoke with this that that states in afghanistan is something very important something very precious and the problem has been in the past for the years that every time there

is a change it's a state which has changed. it's interested which collapses so if we keep destruction of the states whatever happens within the structure of our state for in terms of the governance and the way of governance you know how much accountability and responsibility and. concentration of decentralization of delegation of power i think this is something that we can negotiate and discuss a little bit on the structure of the state which we have you know put forward in the in the since two thousand and they live with those and one thing that has to be kept intact which means that. we should not go from a public which we had people would decide them on it with a few clergy in this i think that is. the overall framework that we are thinking about within this framework i think there are many things for me was stations and that's how southern men should look like so when it came to my administration it

was very ambiguous about about talks with taliban in a way in the shooting process is them being really tough militarily on taliban on the field that the current administration is actually more favorable accepting of the idea of talks or do you think these are just empty words or are they going to follow up on them. you see even in the past and two thousand and eleven when there was a search on the nato and u.s. forces in afghanistan that thing the search was a means to an agent they knew his piece but the main was just to bring the thought on and to negotiate think they have under no to exert enough military and security pressure on the town of punctures you know what happened if you get in the war to be a few experience of this in riyadh now and if you let is that the military leaders believe that it's enough to bring this insurgent they know something that is groups on the negotiating table and you have to show dissolve i think that even the aim of

the serbs at the time was last showing distress all for the peace but the problem was with the with the dates because you know if you announce them look in the exact thing this must provision and this much span of time of course those fellows will not fight you they will hide so for the time to come to any one but this is i think one of the one of the reasons one of the difficulties that's not so they announced the end date we're supposed to do those and then ten and we finish in two thousand and eleven that i want to look at five pool for all and all just they went out to pakistan and even though we fight the americans and when the time overbet came back right now it's different it's not only question of when to talk you know to south asia start these united state is it's called south asia it's not only for afghanistan because they also recognize that the centuries that the bases are fond of on the base and or modified to fight terrorists should not forget the most was not from of what though. all in pakistan so i think it's sort of you know

a pleasure both from pakistan on taliban both at the same time that offer of peace we're getting to pakistan because there's a lot of this change in power but there is also a change in creative diplomacy in america so when i can say is we're ready to talk to afghan taliban directly afghan taliban is also saying we don't want to talk to the afghan government we're ready to talk to the to washington directly what happens if you are left out of the process that's a possibility. i think shouldn't be even a possibility coming in the minds of and he want me there in that region or in the united states because. of this in the past forward he has to be hot there he may have to fix variances off when the you know when you leave the government the central government of a country the legitimate government thing you know behind then you go and talk behind their back which has not happened and we're not going to let this happen in any case. i think the tactics of this terrorist groups and insurgent groups all has

the same you know we have this during the eighty's when i was i didn't want to talk but it didn't suit moscow at the time and we saw the result of the you know that this was a complete collapse of the system and cover so. they want to show down look you know you're going to talk to the american i think this is what the consensus is that peace in afghanistan has to be afghan owned afghan that i'm through direct talks between the afghans themselves the others can facilitate oh maybe many would argue that taliban are. taliban are afghans so that's what i'm saying that you know between afghans between us so that should be the peace and mediation facilitation always happens and all the pieces are on the wall you need somebody you know at the level of confidence building and then those got indy's because they want some gathering to do with this you know i believe in going to be full for the implemented they really understand this you know we're rather they are going to get into the peace and. minnesota facility at lake you know why we are moscow because

of the system of they've been used to it we have a forum other regional forum called moscow pharma beside the others the q c g which is united states and china we have a heart of asia which happens in tokyo stumble so it is so we have multiple forests could guarantee and also can facilitate the new india so anything behind the african government would be counterproductive so you mentioned pakistan couple of times in the interview and many afghan officials that i have spoken in the past mostly you blame pakistan for the mass that afghanistan is in pakistan now has a new prime minister in round one he since we were progressive very popular with the people do you think anything will change with him in power oh you know we are hoping so we really hope that you know with him not han and paul are things could change also today thickly whenever you have a change of leadership in a country there is in there for change it's easy to change policies so we can be

looking forward to see some off on a strategic changes within pakistan's approach within pakistan's mindset we see if you have honest one and peace enough around the sun and there are you know a broader approach toward the region india or you know iran us with a b a whatever which has been in pakistan for many years so if we see a sign of change which we have not so far because we understand the problem now haha some other priorities is busy and i'm going to get maybe and other places but we'll hopefully we are expecting that you know reason for him it will be good that if you could do something which is for this is a school not do that we had the former minister who came to kabul we haven't heard something new because we have a core of the all what we have heard in the past seventeen years just i did without so i think the time of that is over between you know the two countries not come so they have a relationship but we are very optimistic we think that you know you can think out of the box you know as a new person is not part of the. political party. i mean in the past in the

past couple of decades that we're working with them so somebody knew someone you close to military which some probably advantage if you could use it properly so we think that that could be healthy. take a short break right now when we come back we'll continue talking to afghanistan's deputy foreign minister. talking about the prospects of peace in this country afghanistan stay with us. most people think just stand out in this business you need to be the first woman top of the story or the person with the loudest voice of the biggest race in truth

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trumps words were simply laughable however what is happening in the middle east and beyond is anything but fun. and we're back with afghanistan's deputy foreign minister now. for pakistan afghanistan has always been a tool of rivalry with india and now is trying to cool down its relations with india so maybe that could be a big change. very difficult thing. to some people find this. country has created. you know fighting against india being against it but what about afghanistan could

do. much more peaceful even we all for can we do something to. come together with each other on our side we have done everything possible for the both countries to. look afghanistan is not the place of when the surprise of cooperation if you countries could cooperate with each other billions of dollars out of trade would benefit for both of them because of indian goods and services the indians technology could get to. come to russia and go to europe i think everybody would benefit you know somehow this idea of trade liberalism doesn't work in that part of the war so we hope one day it will but you know how those big powers are especially the nuclear powers he's trying to stabilize his relations with india and i hope it works but u.s. pakistani relations have soured to using there's a danger that they actually mean mess with the americans by giving more support to

taliban. but you see that i think that's something that they have to understand i'm sure they do in pakistan haas strong establishment you know some of the tree its political leaders the mission they should probably know the limits of going to on top of one on think minds and united states. so i think the whole the whole idea of south asia policy if united states is to just to try to convince the pakistanis that what they're going into those you might seek in supporting column on. this is not feasible that's not desirable for the future of this going to do which is called pakistan's a huge nation on it's a vibrant society it's a second the which could be you know us prosperous are there any other countries was going in the same speed as south korea in the one nine seventy s but now is lagging behind it's one of the bloodiest so we hope that you know when it comes to decisions focused on should it's take the side of peace prosperity commerce trade

and international cooperation rather than an authoress group that this think that they think that it could be as a tool of their foreign policy musically and then there's china well can it play do you think it could play any role in peace negotiations yes you know china can be a major player in peace and prosperity in afghanistan china has an important in a strong neighbor up on the stand you know the whole idea of both under the it which is unfortunately. bypassing of honest um but is going south and pakistan is going north and central asia there are links to be built within this build on to carry. on a sunny comity in future but right now security was china is involved in moscow for months but also in q c g which is the quadrata of cornish and group of china pakistan unit stephanopoulos and so the on interest that they have their ways i think they're faking the very serious of the foreign minister level that the issue

of terrorism and afghanistan need to be finished. then there is a topic of afghan army. so it's spread across the country with taliban still making capturing villages capturing military bases dest afghan military have much staying in power left and i can't answer that question you can kill me but i can answer why is it still on a defensive after seventeen years of so much investment and being trained by it the world's best soldiers. you see in one hand that. you describe the situation but then does this almost a reality of the being spread around the country we all are you know if i think in each and every corner of afghanistan but the second part of this i think i can they're going to give some more explanation on the other side of it you know the all news on the belt train fit again trained and then sent to some wars some

pol pot but ours is not like this they were just he could play in the little bit and then they start a fight so you don't have the space of you know sort of recuperating . going back to some sort of trainings or changing from one place to another so it's so weird that the you see that you know you walk on you tube so that's what's you know what he's doing because that happened toward the end you know when i was talking about this surge in military. forces in afghanistan to those a month it was the time also it was a surge in bending the afghan or because of the beginning there were like twenty eight thousand thirty thousand fifteen thousand of going to some dozen you know normally nice only please i think these are the ideals of international community and our friends which were wrong from very beginning we told them to look into this is a mountainous country it has valleys it's so difficult to control there was no there no small but open plains that you've got you can control. i think so and it's also

a small others that the risk goes to the other side of the border and then they come back so the decision to increase the i'm going army after the never to have been done fifty plus thousand that we have right now it was after two thousand and ten so if you look at this and then we also pushed the ten year old me quickly because we're getting out so this army is doing the job of one hundred twenty thousand well trained international forces including mid to sue and the cost of those people like you know per person would have been something that one million dollars if you compared to what we have this is you know peanuts especially media so yes we have a difficulty we have been in defense of a little bit in the past because prison than you know we decided that this sure you know i just shot for peace knots you know being off and so we told the public on the look you know we respect the cease fire which they did of the beginning but they didn't do it with

a decent be the president the fence minister unless acuity comes on us all of the year on fall off friends but we need to look at this strategy that do we need to really you know fight the should act as an insurgent a good enough force because we're facing a force which can do that kind of can vanish and say you know that sometimes i'm thinking the taliban doesn't even want to win the war because it's so much more comfortable as a position to be seen as guerrillas and fighters for motherland than to actually run the country it's more comfortable now. we know from looking at the some of the people who told me the same thing they know why i thought of one wants him to come when is of course are something we don't believe the taliban can do when the way that they define when in one thousand nine hundred six they come with the pickups inside the kabul that's not the way that's one way to be defined but you know an insurgent group will always have cohesion will always be the month to size when they are in the jungles in the mountains and in the villages because they are not

as responsible as a go. it should be you know they can they can in force they had to buy them but you know the minute they came in of course they would lose them they would be difficult for them but i think but i think their own elements that the thing that they want has been for long enough and there is nothing left in their life they have not seen you know they are from the life of the day with peace like healthy a country they have been born after they were at their last words no sorry i'm sorry or is there is that hope for us that this is generational change or something in the country and in the region the nation probably needs a new approach but that generation doesn't know a life without a war from day one that they were born seventeen years ago the only thing they know is war and they don't even know another way of life can exist the thing that is if you if you look at afghanistan off before two thousand and one i think that that would have been crypt through the transition of what happened because there that time that it was as i say let the you know as it could be fought on the country

like you know probably made us the african cup but that's not the case and i'm not even the people who are living or go to war and he has was a contest of my thoughts of what they have access to do to the cinema to they saw them rocks of soviet technology they have access to internet access to this what's happening in the cities. i think they want something new for them but one thing to you right is that you know that's why we try you know peace is costly to encode kids the culture of peace because if you had grown with a culture of war then there was the real life so i think that is the social if you can see that we are facing that's why you know we are trying to reach peace so we trying these these ceasefires so for those fighters who are just born into those on the two thousand and two and now they are seventy meeting as old to come into the big cities and to see with us life change for the afghan people you have hundreds of thousands of young afghans regards just plain themselves and they have come up to a level that they can much anyone out on the region so i think that the. the disparity

is that we're going to do that on their when they have yes but if you want to choose to reduce the spot or if you discounts i'm led to the people in the villages was associated to some extent a ton of them to come and see the light of us change and they can be part of this change stuff honest some of the afghan officials that i have spoken in the past have said that when i've asked how can taleban in essence win a war of rifles against modern technology because that's what it is like because taliban are more connected to people than the afghan military at this point. and we need more foreign forces to help us fight taliban do you feel that's the case would you need more nato forces one sample to help you fight taliban team you want trying to reinforce its presence in afghanistan what expect of trouble you see i don't think you know we need to go back to invite more form force i think that's position that's also the position of the government that. we should do it ourselves because

in any case even if there is a number of contention so they have to go back one day to the to the countries so that i think it is a no but but just to stay with us. to help on a stone overcome these difficulties. and to hold this generational change to how it goes the these changes in countries in conflicts like afghanistan has to be generational in the sense that you know the generation of the to those unlike for example you know my sisters they went to school after two thousand and one and now she is in the for the head off needs so she needs food with more time to be empowered to go. through the same thing happens to you know many of the boys and the grunts so. on and many insurgency in any conflict like this if the governments all support that they have the staying power is the insurgents that the i don't think mutely will decide that look you know we can be in the mountains we can be.

the jungles. think it's the same like up into falk if i think it's twenty one in one thousand fifties ourselves in one thousand eight so but ultimately to find out that the nimble got out there would be elections they would be you know as strong as the people are going coming yes you can explode bombs but people will continue with the real life and ultimately you have to come on our history has been difficult in the past because it was insurgent every time which has come to come so i think we want to change this and that change will happen with the new. with the believe in our partners if it is you that stay there for this you know if it's. something you can live up that let's keep supporting this you know with whatever they can so we can have elections you know we've got hof live the way it happens. otherwise the footfalls of the state collapses i think then you have to start from the very beginning which is not good for you. for

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