took center stage at the united nations this week the middle east was very much on his mind particularly in iran for some sitting in the general assembly trump's words were simply laughable however what is happening in the middle east and beyond is anything but funny. cross talking around and the middle east i'm joined by my guest in london he is a military analyst and in new york we cross the. he is a partner at global growth advisors international strategic consultancy group all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated let me go to new york first i'm sure you saw donald trump a speech to the united nations much much of it had to do with the ran and how donald trump sees the world we all do know that in the general assembly diplomats heads of states well found some of his commentary funny they laughed ok

a short montage of what he had to say using his words here iran's leaders so chaos to death and just. so to arabia that king and crown prince are pursuing bold new reforms and israel proudly celebrates its seventieth anniversary as a thriving democracy. that created a lot of giggles and smiles how what was he trying to say is this a path towards conflict because we're going to talk later in the program about how the europeans are trying to move away from the dollar system by creating its own swift system and we can talk about what's going on in syria what happened in that speech is it has any meaning consequence in your mind go ahead in new york. peter you're right the president i think he kind of makes. the.

as a self center individual that he is and i think he thought this he's talking to it to his constituents somewhere in west virginia rather than to a global body so what we saw with the president he came out and he said his administration has done much more than any other administration in history of the night state and if you can make german diplomats laugh you are really doing something wrong with security on the u.n. g.a. united nations journalist that general assembly opening but also the president of the united states had a very very harsh words for iran just that morning the president of the united states tweeted and called mr rouhani iranian president a lovely man and then a few hours later. acted on the center stage of the u.s. also i have to say the numbers that the president throw out in particular with the numbers of climate those are wrong we did not lose that many jobs as he said the two trying to be lost that want to make an appearance in the united states and he

gave some reason the in a way wrong assessments about the global politics he also further furthermore peter introduce a new doctrine let's call it the trump doctrine he called it replacing the. doctrine of globalization with a doctrine of if you will treated somewhat separate that mean cancer and he also talked about he also talked about yet really nice words for the north korean leader and that was kind of surprising so all in all the g.p.a. of his political g.p.a. off if you will u.n.g.a. speech was that. was a big gaffe and it was not good for american leadership and certainly was not good for the for the executive branch having this kind of a show on a center stage of the united now it's become i think rosie makes a really good point i think the term always mistakes a large crowd for one. rallies and his base here i come on one of the things i found rather peculiar to be in the extreme drum. talked

a great length about the importance of sovereignty then turns around and asked the whole world to destroy the sovereignty of a sovereign state sovereign state of iran i mean it was intensely contradictory how can you talk about defending one country's that sovereignty when trying to destroy another's go ahead in london. speech full of contradictions but would regards to iran and sovereignity of other nations it makes no sense one could see there is a path that the americans of the trouble laying out and they laid it out there against iran later on. in the u.n. see council that he chaired it doesn't make any sense and if anything what he's doing is he's isolating even the closest american allies who you could see them cringing in their seats you could see people feeling very uncomfortable about the language trump was using because the european specially moving towards a different path towards iran. it's not looking good for the u.s.

with regards to international organizations whether it be the u.n. nato the world bank all. looking the other way because the u.s. is saying things which no one is happy with ok well i'm glad you brought that up about our allies here nikki haley was on the fox news channel trying to explain how the united states is dealing with. iran in her take on it i think will be very different from from what you gentlemen will think and our audience let's listen to what she had to say the european union has this so wrong and it's all because of their ego and their pride. and there's a lot of graining who helped. get this deal together she's trying to hold a deal together because she did it but she's not working out for the best interest of the european countries. so nikki haley is looking after the best interest of europe i guess. that's what she's trying to mean

. ego and pride i think again those two words are misplaced on the wrong people in the wrong country is it shows how much the united states particularly in the trumpet ministration in its in its foreign policy is out of step with the world i mean this they're trying to develop a special purpose vehicle that will be include the european union russia and china this is all at the expense of the u.s. dollar that is really the key to good american global dominance without the dollar it's a different game go ahead rosemary in new york. well peter in the long term that's going to be the case in the long term this eight hundred on financial result that is controlled by space is not going to be in place it's going to be replaced with other financial mechanism but let's talk about the short term first of all i think about that are we and others in the white house in particular trump administration or furious over. what the europeans are doing they thought by evening to iran you

know j c p u a will fall apart it has not thus far now let's take a look at what the europeans are doing do europeans are following what the international community has committed to do the same international community the same u.n. security council that the united states voted to if you will enact. if you will the security council resolution resolution twenty two thirty one which again president . very much so overtly violated the backing may well let's go back to this financial making the same if we look at that in the short term the europeans are trying to help iran but in the long term what the united states has done through the mechanism of sanctions and punishment in fact the a unilateral manner it has. you know weighed divert the attention of these forces allies since the second world war we're going to get the u.k. political get trance and we're looking at germany to go together with. the

americans will call it strange urges russia and china to find a mecca we reduce. our. bigger signal is iran if you will that you are becoming a preview or to walk to. a national. or national that's perfectly put. you know one of the things again one of the ironies. donald trump wants a new deal some sort with iran and the iranians will come to him but at the same time he's demonizing a government that he says he's willing to sit down and talk to he's demonizing a government that he'd like to see overthrown i mean that is a contradiction go ahead in london. any talk of a new deal is unlikely to go down well even in the european capitals because however flawed the deal might be all european countries supports it and it's

working we heard quite a few heads of states even yesterday say that iran is sticking to their side of the bargain there is no need to finish this deal and we see the u.s. is also putting pressure on countries like india japan and even turkey not to do business with iran but again if anything else it's backfiring because even turkey is moving extremely close to iran on loads of business deals and turkey is a good example where a nato member which is feeling more and more isolated within the nato and is now feeling closer to russia and iran with regards to the middle east but also business and would respect sort of dollar a lot of countries in there are deciding to trade in their local currencies china is trading in the yuan than most of south asia in east asia so it's a recurrent theme all over the world the more the u.s. pushes or rather more trump pushes against institutions and countries the more it see. to go against them you know go back to new york with you i mean we're going to

in the second part of program i want to talk about syria but i want to come already mention it it is quite interesting and i'm glad you have a historical perspective here we had we have now a deal that turkey and russia made visa v. syria to deal with and we'll talk about the as three hundreds but that deal was made with a member of nato and russia without the united states involved that is something new we haven't seen something like that before so you even within the alliance the united states is not being able to control all of its members go ahead in new york . right peter first of all i think the deal that have taken place right now if you look at much of the article on or frankly anybody else need to be gen they realize that by that if an international person at the end of the day is local they are in that location so what the turks are worried about is they're worried about the refugees frankly what even germany is worried about is worried about the refugees and. if this if you will war will not be and we're going to have

a problem at the end of the day what we have to realize that through syria the jew politics of the region has been changing the chapter is changing it's moving away from this new long seven year civil war into a period of hope for the people like nation and reconstruction in data what we're seeing from on corruption what we're seeing in moscow and ron and frankly elsewhere there is think we want to be part of that future dialogue and that's why we're seeing in a way that realignment of interests and turkey is leading the charge on that rightly so ok gentlemen we're going to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on iran and the middle east with. i've been saying the numbers means. they matter the u.s.

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back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing around the middle east. ok let me go back to come on in london here i guess i'll use an american phrase but i'm sure you understand it is there a new sheriff in the middle east because we have the situation after the fatal shooting down of a russian plane. and the russians put blame on the israelis for it. s. three hundred anti-missile system is being deployed there syria's wanted that for a long time and it was after this dreadful incident that russia finally agreed how much is this change the game on the ground or in the air as it were go ahead in london. i mean it's

a significant change and they're just goes to show you the trajectory of the middle east over the last two years since russian intervention in syria russia is definitely the biggest diplomatic player not just in syria in the middle east as a whole to give you an example buying russian defense systems qatari the saudis even the egyptians are but the s three hundred going back to syria means everything changes in the air because syria which had a very weak air defense system which kept getting attacked by israelis almost on a daily basis will now be able to stand up to the israelis effectively makes it extremely difficult for these released to attack syria because effectively that means you can only attack the russian air defenses and so this really is a made a colossal mistake in downing the aircraft which they say is an accident you know rosemary in new york you are you have to think that the russians and the syrians are doing something why right when john bold. and you know goes nucular about it

because he's seriously by bad decision by his logic it is a destabilizing decision i can not sound counterintuitive thing it is a most stabilizing thing that could happen to avoid having this war continue and to spread i think it was a remarkable political military and diplomatic move go ahead in new york. right peter first of all i think what the russians did was a political move. the sell of the s. three hundred and let me let me elaborate on that the few weeks ago or near this month we saw that the russian plane was shot down by the syrian forces because they thought it was that israeli planes trying to go after iran in target this is a complex city we're dealing with in syria what the russians decided to do is that purely a political move and here is the reason why deploying s. three hundred russians are containing quote ensure all danger and trick ssion point between the iranians and the israelis in

a syrian geography that's purely what the russians are after the russians want to deescalate the situation their goal is not to put anyone on often more or defensible and they decided the best way to do it this way which would need to include this. new chapter the new chapter is if the israelis decide to take any unilateral actions against iranians. in syria they will probably think twice or they probably will not do it or probably discuss it with the russians so that is called the escalation mechanism all in all i think that's what the russians did and mr bolton i don't think is the barometer for russians thinking or frankly russians satisfaction with when it comes to this issue so lost so made a strategic political decision by sending the s. three hundred it was not a military decision and i think it was a long term wise decision and it was a long term game that the moscow played in syria you know come on come on you know we're a military expert. do you think the israelis will test this missile system and that

is that being set up in syria do you think that they're going to go that far are they going to probe what do you think i think they have been very careful and highly unlikely that they'd go said that the israelis always test the limits of all the norms of war and they go to the extremes the syrians have been trying to get the s. three hundred for almost ten years and one of the key reasons it didn't get it was the israelis were able to convince moscow don't give the syrians s. two hundred as i said even before the war because they know the s three hundred was a game changer in the region so that's why i think it's significant for these release to still go off to targets in syria and becomes extremely difficult for them to test it would actually be quite a task because they will be putting their pilots in grave danger. in new york do you think now because it was you know everybody has their red lines when it comes

to syria and when the prior to the deal that russia and turkey made there was a lot of noise coming out of washington actually the british and the french and even the germans were even thing about parlaying in this here there's this change this now because. if they're not going to be able to use airstrikes to support their groups and we can leave it unspoken what their friends are in. little bit around i mean do you think that this is a another move or are they going to actually consider stop supporting these groups here and actually find a conciliation point where these terrorists can be moved out where they go i don't know that's heir to one's biggest nightmare and but i'm skeptical of the deer the deal with turkey. it has to get some legs for me to really believe in it. because turkey has a lot of culpability and a lot of responsibility to defuse the situation in. oddly because you know i've

used the word sovereignty in this program many times syria is a sovereign country and once sovereign control and once it will have is taken care of then the americans must leave syria because they're not they're not invited there they're there illegally under international law go ahead in new york. true peter i think it is a strategic we put it equally and frankly. geographically doesn't last rebel held cation region in syria and it would mark the end of the civil war in syria however i do not believe at this point thirteen actors in the region as well as the people in washington would like to see that and to have the problem if you will complicate so what they try to do is to try to shy damascus moscow on a run to run from making an attack and we saw as a trump ironically bank that iranians turks and syrians and the russian support for

their position on that list but the bottom line is this situation cannot be contained this way on the other hand we have a humanitarian catastrophe any type of conflict could make could probably need to get one to one point five million refugees moving north towards the turkish borders so all you know i think that what the challenge for lost though caracal of damascus and iran will be to find a way to wage separate from the regional actors in the g.c.c. countries and as well as head of the from washington to find a way through congress some sort of a peace process with them and if that doesn't happen we will see some sort of office the factions and i think it is not the interest of the people but if you look at the time from a three thirty thousand feet peter the biggest and the most important thing is right now washington has of the and g.c.c. actors would like to drag this conflict using that is not to the best interests of syria and i think what that's what that is the point that moscow. right and. you

know kamali one of the interesting thing is that russia is the only country that can talk to our most every single actor in this conflict here and you've seen it ceasefire attempts where the other parties didn't want to see a ceasefire with the s three hundred zero. syria literally how it has its own sovereignty within its grasp this is send a signal to outsiders to stop supporting their proxies because eventual e ultimately it's a lost cause and i've mentioned before on this program the u.s. is there without a mission it's searching for a mission but if we have the regional players and i'm talking about riyadh as well and the israelis. you know they owe the russians right now ok this is an interesting moment interesting diplomatic opening that could possibly be pushed

forward because if airstrikes from abroad are off the table now maybe the cooler thinking what do you think. absolutely because if you look at the russian diplomatic maneuvers as you said they have been able to talk to every side in this conflict whether it's the israelis the turks very soon groups the syrian government of course and all the other arab league nations as well so the s. three hundred basically means this of renting of the syrian arab republic is restored and this is something the russians said they were here to do they want to support the state institutions of syria which is in the do to make recognized government in the united nations with more than half of the arab league also having their embassies in the mass that is and this is important because a lot of people in the u.n. and nato keep saying the syrian government is not a government it's a regime it's a government and even within the arab league more than half of the ambassadors are in damascus so that mean syria. the government is recognized as

a state and the russians have helped them in the international level and diplomatic scene the chinese have all to come in so the indians to brazilians a south african which completes the brics to troika to the s. three hundred i think is the final. sentence that say's the syrian back slowly but surely their military is also rebuilding while by other countries and proxies biffing twice before attacking a country with sits in the un table if you. go back in new york it is finish up on iran here we had. personal lawyer giuliani rudy giuliani attending a. meeting in new york as well a group that wants to see the illegal overthrow of the government in around the united states is a really big supporter of enormous every single way. is this and with the on all of this i mean is do you think ultimately the trumpet ministration will

attempt some kind of regime change within because they're nonstop talking about around i mean they have they have iran on their brain one minute rosevear new york go ahead. short answer is i don't think so unfortunately everything that has come out of much of trump's mouth and his national security advisors and secretary of state i think hectically to make this an example of that is the state department i'm going up with a publication called out it is not think if you will. think tank based ideology iranians are iran activities are bad but that is another strategy so at this time however i do not hear a strategy behind mr if you will. what i do see is the making of not having a strategy could get us into very dangerous cross ground and those centrist grounds could lead to any of the unintended consequences that would be the i hope it doesn't happen that way but i just keep too many tactics no strategy and that is

precisely the danger peter yeah a good example of that is keeping american troops in syria some kind of contingency plan waiting for a strategy to be had very very good point gentlemen we have run out of time many thanks to my guests in london and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk rules. still seem wrong. but all wrong just don't call. me. yet to see how this day comes after. and it. was betrayed. when something themselves well it's a part we just of the common ground. and

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