violent ones he claims that despite voicing concerns to the authorities of rising levels of violence drug use and self harm he has been ignored he has since decided to risk speaking to the media the inmate has hidden his face so he cannot be identified and he speaks to us for a contraband immobile slug old into prison here with this exclusive report is going on the ground deputy editor sebastian ppaca your current li hongzhi for cell inside war brains prisons what you're experiencing right now. shouldn't. shadrach well she was trying. to shoot if you can. one of the reasons that michael's buddy chief executive a temper isn't probation service resign was allegedly cheated the reports of the high levels of drug use what are you actually saying side your prison. former. if you don't want. shawn to control intrusion.

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affecting prison officers now let's hear from a member of the national executive committee of the u.k. prison officers association joining me is dave cookies one of nearly ten thousand prison staff that reason they held a day of action over the u.k.'s allegedly dangerous prison conditions dave thanks for coming on the show that president spoke to resell claiming he's seeing more drugs and self of all your members telling you what we're saying exactly the same thing drugs and self harm and violence in prisons have spiraled out of or proportions over the last five to seven years since your storage because of come in but that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody if you if you slash the prison you know the prison officers who maintain control and discipline in our prisons then it stands to reason that. crime in prison will royce the government didn't say that. resignation that happened in the first. week or so was related to your concerns but we surprise

a tourism is government said by gosper the c.e.o. of emergencies prison service has resigned. i think to be honest that from a a from. union point of view that heads should have rolled way before now we would have expected some actions being taken well before now marco has presided over a crumbling and dangerous prison service for many years there's been no lot in that you know at the end of the tunnel in fairness to marco i have to also recognize that treasury input or impact in the prison service has reduced resources available to him but as the head of the organization it's his role responsibility and duty to stand up and fight to to maintain safety in prisons you see the increase in violence is a direct result of say taking one thousand prisoners out of the absolutely if you reduce the people actually keep control and discipline then if you're reduced to

and get rid of them and we lost nine thousand experienced off these was stuff that had many years service that when they left so they took a lot of experience with them and then if you then try if you took away the place from the streets and if you take the place away from society then anarchy will prevail and unfortunately that is what happened within our prisons and again i mean would you mean that the younger less experienced prison officers the replacing the ones that are leaving are more susceptible to being used by prisoners the trouble is now is that we are they all replacing prison officers they are recruiting prison officers i have to give them that that jews they're not replacing enough they took seven thousand prison officers out there replacing it with two thousand five hundred maybe three thousand prison staff do the job of yours the still four thousand prison staff machine but to work in a prison is a unique place because you're dealing with people you dealing with damaged people

you're dealing with criminals who have nothing but criminal intent in them are in their minds you your dealing with people who have severe mental health issues where i have an ageing prison a population now so we get dementia and all that sort of stuff. really are we putting young men and women into these prisons without the resources and the skills and knowledge to do the job that we're actually asking them to take on average four to five years before prisoners can be classed as an experienced reasonable prison officer what your local branch members and officers say that when the new recruit comes in because if it's twenty five reported incidents of violence today prison officers have been assaulted twenty five it is the current rate would you say to them the three hard to recruit thing it is hard to recruit. wages were actually compared to the wages of morrison's. land the the you know prisons been for the tarn stood in parliament and announced that i thought it was disgraceful disgusting statement to have made. and to be actually honest why would somebody come and work

in a prison where you face violence or the physical verbal psychological volume's every day that you're at work compared to working in a place of a supermarket or something of that nature. where the wages are comparable they're not going to come into prisons ok but how are they getting the drugs into prison the better it is in the huge rise in drugs getting in as a your members bringing them in we can all contest the fact is that it's members ever he says it's prison officers making prisons our stuff but we have prison staff civilians we have contractors come in we have thirty agencies that work within our prisons so yet every all of them are susceptible prisoners are no different to any other public sector organization you have police who have done criminal things we have judges who have carried out criminal acts we're no different to anybody oh so yes within within prisons we do have some staff who are susceptible this huge

amounts of money organized crime with imprisons if you're going to be if you're a young man or young woman and as a prisoner of issue i thousand pounds to take a mobile phone into a prison. you know you could see the impact that that would have on the individual that the turmoil that they would face at all and i should say we haven't paid anyone to take any move. we don't like an advertisement for being in custody but can inmates make more money being inside than absolutely we have we have cases where prisoners are being released and deliberately coming back into prison carrying drugs and other arts from inside them through because of the money they'll get paid to actually bring them into the prison drugs inside a prison or a mobile phone and so on a prison is worth far more inside the prison than is out drugs rife mental issues

violence is in here members are being schooled in how to rehabilitate offenders. i think the fact is is that unfortunately the prison service is trying to be everything to everyone and do everything at once with a very small with you know with the with the budget that doesn't actually fit with it. they took hundreds of millions of pounds out of prison of the last five years. and when you took that money away you took our ability to work with their offenders prison officers want the ability to sit with prisoners and do the work and work with the person and help him or her turn their life around if they don't have the time to do that and that will not happen we've had senior officials on the show before over the past few years warning of a fatality future fatality luckily we haven't had one chance going up that you might see. violence or that we believe unfortunately we do believe that the death of a prison officer is an inevitability because we can't work with our employees are

failing to protect us to put measures in place to protect us we came very close last year where one of my colleagues in the prison service had to face life saving surgery following an attack in in his prison he was knocked out and his head was stamped on he had to face life saving surgery to relieve the pressure in his brain so he could survive that was that was more luck than judgement that he actually survived we do not believe we actually believe that death is inevitable whitty sometime in the future if our employers do not put the safety measures in place that we're demanding thank you thank you after the break.

with self on level. reaching an average of one hundred twenty eight incidents a day in prisons across england and wales we speak to a mental health expert about what austerity cuts have done to the tens of thousands who are suffering over the simple coming up about to have going underground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race in this on off and spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. that a position would have made it possible in this if not in the life of the instance

of indians and to him by all means we can feel plus one think even you know it all and you don't. committing a crime was the sec is the international rule of the said a lot of it's he says to you months and again also our principles and values. welcome back to our going underground prison special in the first half of the show we heard about the rising levels of drug use and violence that caused staff at ninety five percent of the prisons in the england and wales to take industrial action but now have austerity cuts to mental health services affected u.k.

prisons arguably already at breaking point his deputy editor sebastian packer talking exclusively to an inmate in the british prison levels of so far as being described by an inspector is the worst they have ever seen housing the cots of affected prisons being able to help these people. in. actually listener. certain benchmarks for. young people it's. the us marine the most littlest lost children. the most to be looked up the small youths. traditionally from lists or do abortions or missions worst.

forest leaders or little missions. were welcome or. from. a mission. you experience a mental health issue since even aside from watching sort of the last. forty four star. shells all. foreigners want to do is no longer for. me. what should. a russian. if you're in britain and have been affected by the issues just discussed in that interview please contact the samaritans of the number below internationally contact your local health services but that was perhaps just one of the tens of thousands of people affected by mental

health issues in britain's prisons i'm joined now by andy bell deputy chief executive of britain's center for mental health and thanks for coming on the show so why do you think this year's who are the largest levels of self home own record is will be a number of factors one of which is that i think self harm has always been common among the prison population because of the nature of imprisonment i think possibly people are now better recognising now. but i think we also know that as the prison population gets larger and prison officer numbers did reduce in recent years that does increase the risk that some people will will be unwell and not getting the one to one support they might need we are looking at people with mental health issues before sentencing it does sometimes happen i mean inevitably a large proportion of people that come into the criminal justice system will have preexisting difficulties with their mental health they may not be evidence of the

police or to the courts a little time because it's not always easy to identify but someone's got a difficulty lots of people have if you like mental health difficulties that are not immediately apparent that don't affect the way they behave and so it's not always possible to know who is suffering and who is having difficulties and some people's poor mental health may relate to things that happened earlier in life don't necessarily evident in their behavior at the time. but which by being locked up are opened up again and that's when you get people who become vulnerable even if it wasn't evident when they began their journey that that would be the case see up to one hundred twenty eight incidents of self oh maybe going in. isn't today according to the average figure is how do you characterize mental health. period the appearance of degradation of mental health in prisons i think it is i think we

have to acknowledge first of all the imprisoning somebody who has any kind of phone or ability to pull mental health is likely to make sure it's always been the case i think it probably has always been there and i think partly we all see a greater awareness now of mental health issues and of course we have to see that as being progress and we do now have mental health services in every prison in england which again is really important because there is help there. it's often very overstretched and i think for many prison officers when you point rightly raise the they're also vulnerable that again being a prison officer means you're witnessing and sometimes part of point traumatic events and that can certainly put them at risk as well and it's why one of the things we need to do as well as supporting prisoners mental health is to make sure the prison staff also get help for that is that right now when we see the prison

officers you know and walk out which they were before because of what they see as a crisis can prisons create mental dots very difficult to say i think i think so many people have have poor mental health when they go it in a sense what it does is it brings back things or it or it brings things to the surface i mean there's no doubt that the experience of being in prison can be damaging to your mental health and it's always you go to prison officers well i didn't have them before they went into the local don't necessarily we do you know not only be able to have pulled mental health in adult life had some kind of difficulties during childhood but there's no doubt that some occupations of more stressful and risky than others. and that will be the case for prison officers as much as it was before police officers or people in the armed forces. get all this data because the national audit office says they don't have any data on this really

they're relying on metrics they said thirty one thousand three hundred twenty eight were doing prisoners reporting mental health problems as a twenty seventeen as a charity how do you get your data which is to the support we just so i think it is based on where we've got dates so that is from national surveys and there was a national survey twenty years ago. which ninety nine zero percent of prisoners have some kind of mental health difficulty. and i drew what year was that that was nine hundred ninety seven. and it's unlikely that proportion has changed because the prison population is much the same as a twenty years it's a long time ago but i think if that data tells us that the majority of prison is vast majority of prisoners have some kind of mental health problem or ability that we have to assume that more or less the whole population does and we have to have a prison system which is based around an assumption that the vast majority of

people will be at risk of poor mental health but you claimed that the vast majority have at least one male mental health issue of the entire prison population really because there's a whole number of reasons for that which which may be to do with what happened before or maybe to do regret of what happened inside but that will be fairly standard i suspect across any country and i think we just have to acknowledge that imprisoning people. who particularly you know have preexisting vulnerabilities will increase the risk to them. and we have to look at creating prison regimes and systems we respond to them and you well thank you thank you well we're so few of those leaving prison getting access to the mental health services they need and then get probation system gotten privatized by the government the tory government however reify. ending rate being affected nearly hoffa of all adults of reconvicted within a year of leaving prison do you think the government privatization of part of her

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