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. well that was when major cuts are affecting prison offices now let's hear from a member of the national executive committee of the u.k. prison officers association joining me is dave cookie's one of nearly ten thousand prison staff the reason they held a day of action over the u.k.'s allegedly dangerous prison conditions dave thanks for coming on the shows that president spoke to resell claiming he's seeing more drugs and self well your members telling you what we're saying exactly the same thing drugs and self violence in prisons have spiraled out of oprah potions over the last five to seven years since your storage because of come in but that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody if you if you slash the prison prison officers who maintain control and discipline in our prisons then it stands to reason that. crime in

prison will royce the government didn't say that resignation that happened in the first. week or so was relate. to your concerns but we surprise the tourism is government said michael spur the c.e.o. of emergencies prison service was resigned. i think to be honest that from a from a union point of view that heads should have rolled way before now we would have expected some actions being taken well before now marco has presided over a crumbling and dangerous prison service for many years there's been no lot in that you know at the end of the tunnel in fairness to marco i have to also recognize that treasury input or impact in the prison service has reduced resources available to him but as the head of the organization it's his role responsibility and duty to stand up and fight to to maintain safety in prisons you see the increase in violence is a direct result of say thirty to one thousand prisoners out of the absolutely if

you reduce the people actually keep control and discipline then if you're reduced to and get rid of them and we lost nine thousand experienced off these was stuff that had many years service that when they left so they took a lot of experience with them and then if you then try if you take away the place from the streets and if you take a place away from society then anarchy will prevail and unfortunately that is what happened within our prisons. i mean would you mean that the younger less experienced prison officers the replacing the ones that are leaving are more susceptible to being used by prisoners the trouble is now is that we are they all replacing prison officers they are recruiting prison officers have to given that that to they're not replacing enough they took seven thousand prison officers out there replacing it with two thousand five hundred maybe three thousand prison staff do the job of yours the still four thousand prison staff machine but to work in a prison is

a unique place because you're you're dealing with people you're dealing with damaged people you're dealing with criminals who have nothing but. criminal intent in the moments you you're dating with people who have severe mental health issues where i have an aging prison a population now so we get into mencia and all that sort of stuff rearing we're putting young men and women into these prisons without the resources and the skills and knowledge to do the job that we're actually asking them to take on average four to five years before prisoners can be classed as an experienced reasonable prison officer what your local branch members and officers say that when the new recruit comes in because if it's twenty five reported incidents of violence today prison officers have been assaulted twenty five it is the current rate would you say to them the three hundred recruiter thing it is hard to recruit. our wages were actually compared to the wages of morrisons. and the the you know prisons been for

the tonge that in parliament and announced that i thought it was disgraceful disgusting statement to have might. and to be actually honest why would somebody come and work in a prison where you face violence are the physical verbal psychological volumes every day that you're at work compared to work in a place of a supermarket or something of that nature. where the wages are comparable they're not going to come into prisons ok but how are they getting the drugs into prison the better it is in a huge rise in drugs getting in is a your members being in the mood i would get a contest the fact is that its members ever he says it's prison officers are making prisons our stuff but we have prison staff civilians we have contractors come in we have thirty agencies that work within our prisons so yet every all of them are susceptible prisoners are no different to any other public sector organization you have police who have done criminal things we have judges who carried out criminal

acts we're no different to anybody oh yes within within prisons we do have some staff who are susceptible though. huge amounts of money organized crime with in prison if you're going to be if you're a young man or young woman and a prisoner of issue i thousand pounds take a mobile phone into a prison you know you could see the impact that that would have on the individual that the turmoil that that they would function at all and i should say we haven't paid anyone to take any move further we don't like an advertisement for being in custody or it can inmates make more money being inside than absolutely we have we have cases where prisoners are being released and deliberately coming back into prison carrying drugs and other items inside them true because of the money they'll get paid to actually bring them into the prison drugs inside a prison or a mobile phone and so on a prison is worth far more inside the prison than is out of the drugs right mental

issues. violence is in here your members are being schooled in how to rehabilitate offenders i think sometimes the fact is is that unfortunately the prison service is trying to be everything to everyone and to everything at once with a very small with you know with a with a budget that doesn't actually fit with it. they took hundreds of millions of pounds out of prison of the last five years. and when you took that money away you took her ability to work with their offenders prison officers want the ability to sit with prisoners and do the work and work with the prisoner and help him or her turn their life around if they don't have the time to do that and that will not happen we've had senior officials on the show before over the purse few years warning of a fatality future fatality luckily we haven't had one chance going up to do you might see. violence of that we believe unfortunately we do believe that the

violence that caused staff at ninety five percent of the prisons in the england and wales to take industrial action but out of austerity cuts to mental health services affected u.k. prisons arguably already a breaking point here is deputy editor sebastian packard talking exclusively to an inmate in the british present levels of so far been described by inspectors as the worst they have ever seen how doing the cuts of affected prisons being able to help these people. from.

on. more. you experience any mental health issues and even aside. from. transmission. of what you do.

if you're in britain and have been affected by the issues just discussed in that interview please contact the samaritans or the number below internationally contact your local health services but that was perhaps just one of the tens of thousands of people affected by mental health issues in britain's prisons i'm joined now by andy bell deputy chief executive of britain's center for mental health and he thinks for coming on the show so why do you think this year's or the largest levels of self holloman record is movie a number of factors one of which is that i think self harm has always been common among the prison population because of the nature of imprisonment i think possibly people are now better recognising that. but i think we also know that as the prison population gets larger and prison officer numbers did reduce in recent years that does increase the risk of some people were will be unwell and not getting the one

to one support they might need locking up people with mental health issues before sentencing. it does sometimes happen i mean inevitably a large proportion of people that come into the criminal justice system will have preexisting difficulties with their mental health they may not be evidence of the police or to the courts only a little time because it's not always easy to identify but someone's got the difficulty lots of people have if you like mental health difficulties that are not immediately apparent that don't affect the way they behave and so it's not always possible to know who is suffering and who is having difficulties and some people's poor mental health may relate to things that happened earlier in life don't necessarily evident in their behavior at the time. but which by being locked up or opened up again and that's when you get people who become vulnerable even if it wasn't evident when they began their journey that that would be the case see two

hundred twenty eight incidents of self home may be going in prisons today according to the average figure is how do you characterize mental health. appear in the appearance of degradation of mental health in prisons. i think it's i think we have to acknowledge first of all the imprisoning somebody who has any kind of tone or ability to pull mental health is likely to make sure it's always been the case i think it probably has always been there and i think partly we all see a greater awareness now of mental health issues and of course we have to see that as being progress and we do now have mental health services in every prison in england which again is really important because there is help there. it's often very overstretched and i think for many prison officers when you quite rightly raise the they're also vulnerable that again being

a prison officer means you're witnessing and sometimes part of quite traumatic events and that can certainly put them at risk as well and it's why one of the things we need to do as well as supporting prisoners mental health is to make sure the prison staff also get help for that is that right now when we see the prison officers you know and walk out which never happened before because of what they see as a crisis can prisons create mental very difficult to say i think i think so many people have have poor mental health when they go it in a sense what it does is it brings back things or it or it brings things to the surface i mean there's no doubt that the experience of being in prison can be damaging to your mental health but it's always you go to prison officers well i didn't have them before they went into the world don't necessarily we do you know not only be able to have full mental health in adult life had some kind of difficulties during childhood but there's no doubt that some occupations of more

stressful and risky than others. and that will be the case for prison officers as much as it was before police officers or people in the armed forces. get all this data because the national audit office says they don't have any data on this really they were lying. on metrics they said thirty one thousand three hundred twenty eight which were prisoners reported little health problems as a twenty seventeen as a charity how do you get your data which is to the support we just so i think it is based on where we've got dates so that is from national surveys and there was a national survey twenty years ago. which ninety nine zero percent of prisoners have some kind of mental health difficulty. and i do what you know is that that was one thousand nine hundred seven. and it's unlikely that proportion has changed because the prison population is much the same as a twenty years it's a long time ago but i think if that data tells us that the majority of prison is

vast majority of prisoners have some kind of mental health problem or ability that we have to assume that more or less the whole population does and we have to have a prison system which is based around an assumption that the vast majority of people will be at risk of poor mental health but you claimed that the vast majority have at least one mental health issue of the entire prison population rapes there's a whole number of reasons for that which which maybe to do with what happened before may be to do a review of what happens inside but that will be fairly standard i suspect across any country and i think we just have to acknowledge that imprisoning people. who particularly you know have preexisting vulnerabilities will increase the risk to them. and we have to look at creating prison regimes and systems we respond to them and you well thank you thank you well with so few of those leaving prison getting access to the mental health services they need and then to get probation system

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