territory and that place is called winner takes all. cultural wars i'm joined by my guest christopher need i'm in washington he's a republican strategist in los angeles we have robert barnes he is a trial lawyer in criminal and constitutional law and in chad going to go we cross to brian joyce he's the host of the brian joyce show all right jim cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it who gets the go first of all the guy that got up early is for this program that means it's robert. ok it's talk about the brett kavanaugh thing in a much broader cultural and political sense here what does it represent to you because i can i i am even willing to admit my introduction is a bit over the top but i'm trying to make a point here because it does seem like we're in an era an epoch where one wins one loses and that is not part of the american tradition go ahead robert. no

doubt we have these evidentiary standards and due process standards and legal standards that we've created over hundreds of years in the united states and basically all of them are being scratched and scrapped overnight and what's happening is we're in a you know i'm just waiting for when the next nominee comes up he said well when he was in kindergarden he pulled susie's hair so i mean it's getting to that kind of place where we're going back twenty years thirty years forty years we're going back to disputed events of what happened at a party on a particular night and when we get to that place then at some point we're no longer in a place where truth matters we're no longer a place where justice matters and where the me two era has gotten has gone so far out of reach that it's no longer about justice or fairness it's only about power and it is about just who wins and who loses ok brian the criticism of the left to go through this i think this utter nonsense i'm sorry that's my opinion of the whole thing is that the left just continues to move the goalpost and they're who

they are being very disingenuous when they say they want justice i think robert already said that they just want power because advice and consent is about if you're competent to serve on the court that's all the senate committee is really supposed to ask how do you respond to moving the goalposts go ahead brian well i think it's absolutely true that democrats are playing politics with this nomination and they're trying to delay the nomination but that points i would argue why shouldn't they i mean when you talk about well really the only litmus test should be sure that this person be qualified for the court we did have somebody who was qualified for the court in merrick garland and last i checked it was the republican party not democrats who left him sitting on the bench without a hearing for a year now they're trying to shove brett kavanaugh through in a month or less why did mitch mcconnell leave merrick garland who was a son nominally qualified justice why didn't leave him sitting there for

a year. without even giving him the decency of a hearing i think what democrats are doing here is they're taking the obstructionism and they're just shoving it right back in the face of republicans i think it's just par for the course in washington d.c. say ok fair enough christopher but one could make the argument i certainly would make the argument that this is different in the sense that it's just not playing politics it's really it's destroying a process and it's destroying a tradition i mean sure fine you get your power but what's it worth when you don't have a process that is that everyone could agree to and i think this is that the the new territory we're in go ahead christopher in washington. i think you're correct i think that the real loser here is the american citizen in terms of the faith in the process their faith in what's true what's not true i think the truth is the

furthest thing from the interest of all these tribal tribal forces i think you're right peter there's almost kind of puts you in this default position of which tribal side am i going to gravitate to in the way that news is presented it's so viciously partisan one way or the other and in terms of that now in terms of. some of the other commentary that was just presented i would agree that you know what why are they trying to advance this because they're politicians who don't care about anything except for getting what they want it's it's hypocrisy we know that but the question is how has the way this been presented has it been healthy and i think it's not because truth is not what's being sought here. robert you know in looking at this whole thing i think it's gone down to performance anger and destruction theater again it may be this judge drank a lot in college i was in college and a lot of people drank but he was at the top of his clout he stood at the top of

everything he's ever pursued here ok again he has the merits of doing it when i look at all this destruction theatre and performance anger they never talk about his achievements the left it seems to me does not light competence in and this is part of this weaponization of the me too movement go ahead robert in los angeles. no doubt everything about this has come across like a old style soviet style show trial it feels like watching those old documentarian videos of cuba in the early one nine hundred sixty s. where it is all about theater where it is all about drama where it is all about the show and the frightening thing is that not only are the senate advice and consent process supposed to be a hallowed constitutional process that follows a certain set of standards but there's no equal set of standards being applied i mean here you have congressman ellison who there's allegations against who they're going to dismiss those allegations because they said well there's not corroborate torrie evidence there is an independent sufficient evidence to proceed as to cavite

on entirely different standards are being applied so it's if we're going to go down that have police we used to have that there is yes there is there is some evidence there's a complaint was made here go finish up robert in los angeles go ahead so we value equal standards because we want the same standards to be applied to us when we're on the opposite side of the equation and i understand the approach of the democrats in the sense of saying well politically you obstructed so we're going to obstruct but they're doing so at the expense of due process they're doing so at the expense of evidentiary standards that have been well established for more than two hundred years are doing so at the expense alternately of the me to movement who will be discredited in part by this show trial by this fake trial that took place brian in chattanooga reflect upon how the media particularly the liberal media and i'm thinking of the washington post c.n.n. and this n.b.c. i mean there again they've injected themselves into this process here i mean this latest allegation of the the serial rape gang might my goodness i watch said

interview on n.b.c. i mean n.b.c. should be ashamed of itself that they even asked the woman the questions before they went on that tape it i mean not only did she look like a fool n.b.c. looked like even a bigger fool because they're injecting themselves into this here brian please reflect on that. yeah if you think n.b.c. knows is bad you should try watching fox news. i mean. you know i didn't catch the piece that you're talking about the media does what the media does they tell you stories that's what they're supposed to do not they cover look at their own political bents well again that's just sort of par for the course which is where we are in the united states but i want to go back to something you know when you were making the point that liberals just seem to be battling this man cavanaugh and any fronts that they can and they just don't want to see a competent conservative justice on the court i would remind you that neil gorsuch never faced this kind of scrutiny he never faced these kind of accusations john

roberts never faced these kind of accusations and on the other side of the aisle neither did elana kagan or sonia sotomayor i mean the fact of the matter is we've had three different justices in the past ten years placed on the supreme court two democrats one republican none of them faced. you know settling that since you don't think i don't know is there i don't think the evidence they are to conclude that that brett kavanaugh is a serial sex predator i think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that it was a little bit of a wild child and the reason why these allegations are coming out and they didn't come out on say you'll go or sitch is because there are none of these allegations against you all right only christmas so i can just take kind of you know condense what brian just said there then then allegation is conviction ok but i don't understand that that's the that's the leap of faith i don't agree with don't understand think it is wrong ok john says he just because other people weren't

accused doesn't mean cavanagh is guilty go ahead chris. or i mean first i mean i agree with with robert in terms of the process and my recommendation was i don't think these confirmation hearings should be televised anymore i think we should be able to hear and read transcripts and actually look at the rule of wife that everything is just become so so fanatical and then for brian. i wouldn't disagree but i think fox has been more than fair i think to that dr for it seems very credible and that it's been concerning here is my only issue is here's my issue i don't believe it's a civic duty to hold something for thirty five years and then to come out and refuse to do it in your home state of california i think there's a lot of suspicious things that have been coming out in terms of motive and we've got the democratic party coming out there saying well many people are trying to recruit mr avenue to run for president here's a guy who represents adult film stars digging up fake news stories left and right and that's going to be the guy to take the lead and it's no surprise because as was just pointed out there is a police report with keith ellison there is evidence and you have the woman that's

running to replace him in congress saying well the first thing i want to do is impeach the president and when asked what she did she had no clue what she was talking about so and we've got the list goes on senator jill a brand i really really believe dr ford you're friends with harvey weinstein i mean the democrats have absolutely become uncredible from head to toe on issues of sexual assault in my view ok let me go to let me go to robert before we go to the break here i mean if you look at the pattern from the letter from the ford letter that got to a fine seen all the way to now convince me it wasn't all preplanned unpackaged convince me it wasn't go ahead robert sure i mean i think the only thing that could defend of ford is ok let me go back to brian brian pat buchanan came out with a very interesting piece in the last couple of days. and i read it in the the new can the american conservative and essentially what he's saying is that the. this whole saga around cavanagh is

a preamble for the democrats if they retake the house after the midterms to impeach donald trump do you do you agree with that it's in and is that his argument is really quite compelling go ahead brian. i don't i mean i think maybe it's a bridge too far a leap too far to say that democrats will automatically move for impeachment but the fact of the matter is i have no doubt that democrats will do their job and investigate donald trump for which he should be investigated there are the the amount of scandal surrounding this white house is absolutely unprecedented the republicans have no backbone or political will to dig into any of this stuff whatsoever if this were a democrat in the white house obviously that democratic president would have already been impeached we know this so you know again i think what's fair is fair and what's just is just i would expect democrats to move in the least in the direction of investigations into the truck but ministration the f.b.i.

is already doing that obviously robert muller is already doing that you know impeachment i don't know if they'll go straight for impeachment christopher in washington what do you think because all express my homeboy opinion for the democrats though need any facts they just want conclusions that they want to mean it seems quite obvious to me i mean the cabin on case is a perfect example there i mean it's so scant on on on evidence it's it would be laughed out of court i mean i guess robert could speak to that ok but chris what i really think it's a it's pretty this is pervading the the popular culture right now it started the universities now and it says it's winner take all i get everything shut up nod your head and do what you're told that's it in a nutshell christopher i've largely agree i mean i i would disagree that this is on precedent if you look at the clinton presidency certainly he wasn't ph and there was enough there for the precedent for a president which the congress would look into but i think we have to look at the

broader aspect of what's going on if you look at the platforming you look at what's happened with twitter and others where you have someone like for example alex jones who is the platform but then you have someone like louis farrakhan said much crazier stuff he's not the leftist trying to diminish the first amendment. the rights of those that they disagree with they're absolutely becoming everything they supposedly object to and we've seen it again and again we've seen it in this particular outfit where you know this is a big concern in terms of the issue of being heard and and sexual assault and yet just look at current news look at look at they've been on the wrong side of almost every one of those issues so in terms of burden of proof i don't think it's there i think there's a lot of doubt and i think i'm just looking at that objectively in terms of not being able to know how they got to that location this conclusion and now that the left's narrative as well the oh you know this man's temperament apparently you're supposed to be ok with getting falsely accused of sexual assault so i think he reacted probably the normal way but in terms of burdens of proof it's just not

there and in terms of course that who knows i think the left is looking at the health of other members on the court and realizing oh if we get cavanagh confirmed what if the republicans go ahead and get another justice if exactly for example ginsburg steps down exactly about how or they're in there for peter they're swinging for the fences for a reason because they're losing power you know robert at one and one point in time i don't know it was in the last thirty six hours the one of the leading hashtags was kill kavanah but there was no you know there was no deep platforming of that ok i mean this is what i'm getting at with the media there are magnifying this there they are the extension of the democratic party and sometimes i think the media is actually running running the democratic party but this is why i think i've always found it very curious because things get so totally magni magnified and exaggerated here when the media when they start calling what they say are strikes and balls go

ahead robert. oh exactly instead of sort of post-traumatic syndrome you have sort of a post trump derangement syndrome amongst large parts of the press and amongst large parts of the democratic political stablish mint that is resorting to sort of a. only on style if you go back to david mamet who wrote a play about twenty years ago called only on and which he predicted in forecast that what was going to happen is not only was the language going to be power but accusation was going to be power and that the mere ability to accuse it goes back to the old roman principle that said if it's efficient to accuse then what happens of the innocent and that's the problem here is that's becoming it's expanding within the culture that if you want power over someone in your employment arrangement if you're in your educational structure in your political battle in any aspect of life then what you do is you simply accuse and if we create a standard that says it's ok to presume the accusation is true and then you have to rebut it as is being written about in places like the new yorker and all across the press in relationship to the kavanaugh syndrome then the whole case in really

should be called a syndrome rather than a case because it's creating a mindset and a precedent that is very precarious for people's basic civil liberties and for the presumption of innocence that should apply across our culture in society brian or what happens if cavanagh is ends up on the court i'm predicting that he'll actually he'll make it what is what are the democrats going to do do you think that they will try to impeach a sitting so a supreme court judge once he sits at the court do you think they'll try an impeachment process. no i mean if they were going to do something like that they would have done that a long time ago when they did have the power to do so i do want to go back to this idea drange been syndrome and that's what's being thrown at donald trump and his nominees i i was flooded laughable you know the people who talk about trump derangement syndrome these are the same people who to this day deny that barack obama was even born in america these are the same people who refused to even give us a hearing to america and i mean merrick garland wasn't even given the decency of getting

this far in the process you tell me who's suffering from doraine german syndrome but democrats we all know it but brian witting went private where he would go when you agree when you agree that for eight years barack obama was given a complete free pass by the liberal media i mean he was compelled we're not there are ok i would like to check a. new c.b.s. news any scandal in the obama administration benghazi for example was covered every night every night top to bottom so no i completely reject. christopher what would you say to that. i mean i tend to disagree i think i mean the press i mean if you just look at the headlines the narratives the way things are covered the president trumps credit here's a here's a guy who's been attacked from every six every which angle leading up to the election rippy at war with republicans with democrats anyone because people are so distrustful of the establishment of media and know the way things are covered and every single day it's

a hit piece on him every single day it's negative media coverage and i think it's finally backfired whether it's c.n.n. people crawling into potholes and pretending like this crime is worse than it is it's just it's become so ridiculous it's real i know i know it i know and so. so i just. didn't tell me about it i live in russia and i watch with c.n.n. and then most of the season it's about i do mean. well good fiction not bad fiction i would say what i. had brought i just got bryan in and jump in because you're the odd man out. when you when you have a presidential candidate when you have somebody like donald trump calling mexicans rapists when you have somebody like donald trump cheating on three wives having sex with a bill and saying many many times she's talking about certainly no i'm talking about oh excuse me i'll finish thank you donald trump has it made it he paid hush money to stormy daniels if you're going to call mexicans rapists and have sex with

oranges are they are turning up they might want to expect some negative headlines guys you might want to let me go to robert because robert's a lawyer i mean to go at all of the oh yeah all these things look i think even his supporters he donald trump is no choir boy they know they didn't vote for him because they thought he was a choir boy he's rude he's boisterous he's an ego to cicle maniac sometimes but none of these things are you legal and none of the things have to do with anything with policy that's what i'm interested in is policy i personally would like to see a conservative judge on the supreme court because i'd like those policies but the democrats don't talk about any of those things robert. yeah i mean i think they've got away from sort of policy principle debates and have become enamored and meshed in very much personality debates and often frankly that's good terrain for trump i

mean trump's belief is that if he's dominating the news he's winning the news no matter what the nature of those news is so i think they've sort of got into the reality t.v. environment where they've lost a sense of perspective in the process lost their sort of long term institutional an intellectual edge that they could have with the american electorate in the process so they they've gone from being people who wanted to be the high brow professors to being the jerry springer's of politics and i don't think that's ultimately in their institutional interest that's fair and i think they should re-examine that that's very very brian do you think that there's going to be a backlash against this campaign against cavanagh do you think that that might be a reason for people republicans to go out and vote. i don't think there's going to be a backlash no i think the democrats are going to retake the house there are polls out this week indicating that a majority of americans right now don't feel very good about the kavanaugh nomination i think it's going to backfire with democrats with the same people that would have backfired with them anyway i mean the fact of the matter is look they

are playing obstructionism yes i mean that's that's of course what they're doing they're trying to delay this nomination through the midterms that's politics you know when people ask why did it take so long for them to bring these allegations of the table well obviously yes they're waiting till the last minute to try to screw the republicans i i think it's only going to help their cause with their base and right now it looks like most independents are not exactly and they are heard with great capital christopher all i can say to that is that what about the polls in two thousand and sixteen and the polls today why should we believe the polls now first of all we just have to think we just have to think we just have to think brian for telling the truth right there what he just said is what senate democrats won't say which is that they waited to the last minute to try to to try to pull that i think you know it's really interesting to see but did anyone else find it odd that the attorneys were working pro bono or that they were covering polygraphs i've been searching my whole life peter for attorneys that work pro bono so thank goodness we

have actually found attorneys that are just so honest and they're so great they work for free i need their number because last i checked i know lots of innocent people that have been working with attorneys and bankruptcy everywhere i do like i think but you know what i say you don't trust the process and i think if you had debra katz as your attorney she would make sure you were convicted of the most heinous crime even if you didn't do it all right gentlemen would run out of time many thanks to my guests and while she did los angeles and in chattanooga and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember. no you don't accept the story just as the old guy says the right to be

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