i want to go ahead and sanction iran the whole down the iranian government because there are riches to be made in iran there are there is great trade to be done in iran there is oil to be bought in iran there is a great deal of advantage to be gained. in the time honored rail politic way all dealing with the wrong. truth be told they never liked that is the u.k. and the you never lie the u.s. obsession with the wrong the us obsession with iran goes back to the full of the shah or persia who was one of the main pillars of us so-called foreign policy in the middle east and when that came down to nine hundred seventy nine the us has never really recovered its sense its its equilibrium if you like its power in the middle east it wants some wrong back if not back it points to deny

iran the independence of the arabian state now why trump in particular is obsessed with this i don't know but why shouldn't he be he's an american president he's doing more american presidents always do the fact that he's trump. then courses apoplexy in the media and the intelligence agencies and so on for the very good reason that he's exposed america without a mosque america and the presidency without a mosque is trump he's a character true and he does what he wants to do but be assured that a president hillary clinton would probably be doing the same thing to iran this is the same hillary clinton that when she first went campaigning in two thousand and nine say that one rally that she was prepared to annihilate. iran i think there

have sixty million plus people in iran she was prepared for not of life and so it is it's basically what the american elaboration wants to do but they don't want to be seen to be doing what trump wants to do there's an internet sign warfare going on within the united states between trump and those who. who who who really are the institutional foundation of american power clinton certainly hillary clinton said that they would bomb syria but the national security adviser before he was detained went on this program said syria there would be a difference in policy and to trump they seem to be pro russian but now all of this saying the united states will be in syria forever. i think if you attack iran you and facilities in syria take us through where we are at syria i mean we don't hear anything about syria and iran are in very difficult to tell i can't i couldn't. i

couldn't in any way chart american thinking it comes back online from time to time and it it's american so-called policy on syria is pretty much the same as u.k. policy this saying pretty much what they saying now we've got to get rid of these was then nationals of assad's father would go to get rid of this think we've got to control syria they're obsessed with syria. to the point where in recent years they haven't really ball when they put in power in the mass because one of paps one of the most medieval this vicious regimes one could imagine that led by isis my own reading is the trump would like to get out of syria it's messy it's costly for him he doesn't really need it there's no morality here you just

pragmatically thousand wanted bought there is russia in syria quite successfully in syria if you like. having help to stave off a major defeat of the government. so he feels he must face up to them. well venezuela in the western hemisphere is in british media every other day i mean it's odd because it seems a far away way suddenly is venezuela or a big issue the have proved evidence would suggest would do is i'm going to dictate . what do you make of what's going to happen in venezuela i should add that. seven countries argentina can only chile peru paraguay and so on say that the majority should go to the international criminal court that's just after he's been recently seen with the chinese authorities well that's going back to the old days is that the united states used to have the entire latin american continent its so-called

leaders as its stooges basically who would say what they what the united states wanted them to say when you when you mention if we go back to the the unapproved use that is news we don't hear about. there's been an attempted coup in nicaragua a coup by the united states very very similar to the one it carried out in one addressed in the by very similar to the one it once to carry out in venezuela but it's failed indic iraq or now that failure is on approved therefore we don't really hear about it we hear obsessive glee venezuela has the kind of syria in the news of the latin american continent i mean going back which i think a little bit of the background is necessary when you i read just before i came in.

a study by the university of the west of england into b.b.c. reporting all of the the major chap as he is that is nine hundred ninety eight to two thousand and eight it took three hundred four news reports. on the b.b.c. about venezuela three three out of three hundred four mentioned anything positive about a government that had more than hall of poverty in that country and it set up a whole infrastructure of welfare and education for the first time in venezuela chavez was the most elected man in the world i have to say held the world record for going before the people to be elected mature and must closely follow but he's country is in difficulty and one of the reasons the major reasons it's in difficulty the major reason in my view is the total collapse of oil and the the

also the collapse of any real will inside venezuela to perhaps deal with it but when i say that i i want to mitigate that with the massive wore off so cool sanctions that rather benign would that use of a blockade only venezuela. president obama you may remember colvin this way of a threat to the national security of the united states and he began really that whole block a the trump is now enforcing on on venezuela the fact the venezuela has held out the government has held out i suppose that in many ways the society is held out although it's suffered a great deal for as long as it has is extraordinary so do you think the effect of sanctions you call it a weapon of war is not be not as effective nowadays of course the u.s.

is saying russia sectioning china in a way the tatars using the days when it could sanction their countries governance out of existence a roof it depends how powerful that country is russia is massively sanction. but russia goes own. it goes oh no it's formed a very close alliance with china china is a bit sanction. might be more sanction it doesn't really give a damn actually. but we don't have a sense of this great hinterland of alternative power russia or in china. of this if you like the eurasian power we did we don't get the sense we're so we're so atlantic centric if you like that we think only of europe the united states the so-called west all the time but there is a normal part of the world that yes it's ancient but it's get to go home and it's

getting on in many areas particularly forging alliances with other countries very very successfully in this latest article of yours you read is that interview is to translate a kind of news week publish the slashing of public expenditure you translate into what they what we hear is efficiency savings the destruction of civilized life you say is is really the translation of hard choices it's a complete invention to that ten years ago we're now mourning the anniversary of the great crash if you remember the way the great crash in wall street and in the city of london elsewhere it was reported. it was it was reported as the crooked banks it was quite astonishing right across the british press you would see as their fault pictures of the banks and and the we know in the guilty bankers

and people will be hold out they'd be shamed in public is usually less a b. it's a shame in the public. there's a sad but usually trade well and others. but so that last good are calculated for just under a year about nine months and then it changed. it wasn't the day it could banks alistair darling gordon brown's chancellor forked out five hundred billion pounds effectively gave it to the banks i'm sorry if i'm a few billion out there but it was. and the epic amount of the country's treasure it was a hard choice and he gave a choice and that was good the approved news was that it was good but the choice of the crew could banks and the crew could bankers then disappeared from the media instead the would that was just lying in the news from time to time during the

second world war a stereotype was hold out and we now have something called a stereotype and the stereotype means that all the civilized premises of life in this country have to be attacked have to be on to mine the hospitals have to be starved to farms the. the the poor people have to remain poor people and indeed get poorer everything has to be cut back councils have to lose something like up to forty percent of the money they have available to do normal things for people in it that is their responsibility that when overnight the debt became how did it it became peoples day that the whole notion of crooked banks went completely i've never known actually i've never known

a reversal of of from fact to illusion so completely and it was accepted it was accepted by all sides it was accepted by both sides in parliament is that we've septa by all media would be yes but even those that had named the guilty bankers with such enthusiasm no longer name them austerity had to be solved the debt had to be paid back above all it was a complete kong that was an ideological situation the national health service could have been paid several times over. by the money that this country have emerged from this country allowed by the tax regime. wolf after the break.

what politicians do something. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. somehow i want to be. the two going to be press that's what i'm up for three in the morning can't be good . i'm interested always in the waters in the. first city. america is a house deeply divided and that division only continues the entire brett kavanaugh saga has turned into blood sport demanding each and every one of us pick a side we're in new territory and that place is called winner takes all. bets cause there's a survival guide up station just like all the stores simply have all the service. there you go to get it back. oh heck no.

repatriation scheme will look at the rest in seven years. belittle separate kaiser for. welcome back i'm still with award winning journalist and filmmaker john pilger jawn you say the twenty twelve health and social care act so four years after the crash of lehman brothers ended legally universal free health care in britain yes it did before two thousand and twelve the secretary of state had a responsibility when beveridge wrote the original charter and i'm not i remember i haven't brought it to laura nine hundred forty eight it

was very simple and very clear it was based on the great co-operative thing the collectively the the state and the society had responsibility for all our health and the responsibility the ultimate responsibility rested with the secretary of state for health too to see that all that happened. be the two thousand and twelve health and social care act took that away and created no norman. a cold n.h.s. england and the fragmentation. of the n.h.s. speaking i have to say to you in many respects it's rather a brilliant subtle operation because it's got a kind of deniability built into it no we're not privatizing we're just fragmented take it and we'll give it to others quietly that that was done on the back

of this invention austerity now i think all that is worth understanding i think is worth understanding in its own to but it's worth understanding in terms of a healthy of approved and unapproved news the b.b.c. reporting of the two thousand and twelve health and social welfare act was really i do you could to have that it will be seen studies bill which gives power to g.p.'s yeah as well which is a complete distortion but they sum summed up this bill that really a balazs niren bevan's whole notion of a national. health service and which most of the people of this country i would suggest still believe is the notion of a national health service ok that's the b.b.c. headline about that it was also something if anyone thinks britain isn't in the

lead in some things you said a survey said the b.b.c. was bottom of an age of a nation broadcast as in offering opposition at him in the run up to the iraq war this is the libya syria three that's correct that was a media ten oh that's worse than any other name it was below i was vaguely surprised to see though not really i suppose the b.b.c. just below the american networks the likes of c.n.n. in offering so little facility to those who opposed the invasion of iraq and i have to say who represented the majority of this country who also opposed it. and the another follow up. academics study by the university of wales at cardiff found pretty much the

same thing it said that basically what the b.b.c. reported was what the government wanted it to report it didn't really challenge it amplified what the government was saying and we know that the government was lying through its teeth the empty year cool been paper if i put it that way the guardian you don't seem to like that paper too much i mean when it is a catholic and this is it's a progressive a thoughtful and progressive newspaper and you say particularly when it comes to judy this of course is in the able it's so thoughtful and progressive in the way it's conducted a cam of a campaign of unrelenting vindictiveness against. julie in the song which. i did in the guardian a julian as it's sometimes it strikes me is kind of. an unrequited love or something

a song they fell in love with and they got a lot from him they exploited him they won all sorts of awards they go hollywood movie deals they go to book they ended up getting a fable pulitzer was basically on the back water saunders and we keep leaks in its brief tenure with the guy in had had given them but once that affair was over. a song nj. received the full force of the guardian's displeasure and i think in that article i quote a number of its leading columnists in the kind of abuse that i don't think i've seen in a serious newspaper i can't remember i've seen actually against an individual the song refused to be a member of the club he shamed so many journalists because he had

more if you like in scoops in and what we keep leaks revealed had been the whole in life toughens he was so successful and he showed i think that the media is really has probably always has been never more so than now an appendage of a stablished he shone a light on that and that was on forgivable. and yet it was just one small organization we keep leaks because i know you also quote the disgraced cia boss former cia was betraying us. saying a war of perception conducted continuously using the news media. that is what is being called for isn't just something they say to their people. well it's certainly it'll come out of all the dreadful corporate job clotted conferences of

they go to. the head of the british force was she from generals i think january this is nick sid said pretty much the same thing he said that you know what what appeared in the media was much more important than defeating the enemy now what they're sitting on both sides of this land to is the. they were done to find the true enemy. in a war of basic propaganda a lot of people are killed in this war propaganda because it is a war propaganda the main enemy of the people at home the main enemy for general petraeus for the american people the main enemy for cynic of the british people it's they all end up with unapproved opinions and that could be

calamitous for a world without militarism without nuclear weapons and. all the things that they don't want and they feel i feel very insecure about clearly because you began by we began by talking about those military exercises they do in your latest article you end with with the other the figures in the new refit still propagandist for the nazis in the end. this channel visit. russia which you mention in the context of will go to as being jug it's yeah and the prime minister said that people should not appear on it what sort of would he make of the attack with this. well it's it's beating heart of the propaganda received my experience with is that it produces news and views that by and large you don't find in other places my only criticism of ati

is when i think it perhaps tries to be a little bit too respectable from time to. plug the baby daughter liz that never happens two years after and so that's that's that's encouraging. so it's a difference it provides a different perspective. and has had a chance and it also has rather high standards in my view i think it's journalists a professional it's use it's people it's some it's journalists are very brave actually. we've had some journalists in the bust year we've lost so again as yes so all this is something of a threat and when you but most of the attacks like the attacks on julian the song have come from the album media haven't they when that it's it's the kremlin controlled i see it. and so wrong. i think it's

very good news that ought to be has weathered all this at least i hope it has jeremy corbyn she had a chance to join mcdonnell said in the statement a b.b.c. that he won't appear on this shows eight he's been on this show with will and other cool bins m.p.'s shouldn't appear on this channel actually he was invited i think to say that by andrew marr. on the various stop richmond. that was the program hundred andrew motion. and he i think from memory he agreed this shouldn't happen anymore. that's extraordinary isn't it coming from a journalist. it it just it ran a boss straight through the any notion of free speech and bore the establishment view of the kind of discussion where happening as something that's

controlled by invisible puppet monsters in the kremlin that's so ridiculous so absurd and so unbecoming of all of jeremy coburn's number two but you know the problem with parliamentary politics one of the problems is that is because we have a media that has sort of put out a contract for germany kolbe and then the tax him unrelentingly there is no critical real critical discussion from the other side i hate to say it but even from the left there is no real critical to scotsman. outside a program like this there's nothing on the b.b.c. there's nothing really on any of the. mainstream programme so mcdonald can be gracious to himself as he was doing clearly with ma in the b.b.c.

by saying that an open challenge that's a pity. john pilger thank you. that's it for the special edition of going on the ground see you again on saturday just after this year's nobel peace prize is announced until it can be judged by social media with you on saturday forty two years to the day of a cia then construction of a cuban passenger plane killing all seventy three people in. the church secret indeed catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it quite literally i like to call this the geographic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is a perpetrator is simply moves him to

a different spot where the previous standard was not known the highest ranks of the catholic church conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system to that end of that's known as the end and then i think you'll hear that it used. this. case felt as. though you were going to accept the sort of job of well that's right to the law but . it's. only speak. for itself. and i don't bust i. thought of had in mind that it was somebody that i

don't know it's a mask. you never know what's happening and whether they're shooting whether there's. mistrust the tibetans are. sad. because they're. both which would mean you must be just like you know that into you but i'm a dick to the city's b.b. all middle class and in the muslims well he's going to win the. the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. causing most of us that's the root of sympathy i want to take on most and i won the last post on this but i think many of them look for refuge in the so called sentries sides of the draft used to share information about undocumented migrants

with federal authorities the best person to ask than call mom. was you know no i didn't have my son i get i'm in a lot of class and the one that. they have that watches the options to stay in the country with donald trump in the white house. the who he beat up to the government i said see it's trouble to many couples won't. deal with the put simply dimples and spun both of you up with a few hope of the. mother's

. life that. china's rising star eclipses the us people no trolls trump let us spend so much scored in the world leaders that's according to new data from a washington based think tank. also coming up on the program germany's right wing e.f.t. party polls out record high young girl was disqualified from the portrait contests for her team i. may the force. trolls are accused of sway public opinion against the latest film in the star wars franchise.