of course they are and there needs to be a looter nation around and women unworn boys can have sexual relationships with the each other over a certain age or a regional age but for the missing link to marrying isn't thinking in love and i alone around is actually fall for that well actually both all sorts of genders and sexual orientations came out and talked about it as you know it has quite a following across the piece also domestic violence charity came out refuge came out talking about how concerned it was that the behavior of one of the men in the program and i think what's difficult about having a headmistress who says oh we can't have this is incompatible with trying to instill healthy values in our young men and women young girls and boys is that that message is not being received so you kind of need to co-opt the material and the platforms that young people are using and i don't want to. push young people

into only what i approve but there are there is too much emphasis on girls are not enough on men's behavior in boys behavior that's that's the essence of what i'm saying i think the head teacher was wrong in in the sense that she could use the contents of the of the program to to educate and to discuss issues rather than banning it. well if you have something you'd like to say about any of our stories we'd love to herit so do get in touch by following us on social media and you can go your comments that we'll be back in about thirty minutes with the top headlines. times you're watching a special edition of going on the ground as nato defense ministers meet in the

polish capital warsaw ahead of one of nature's largest ever military exercises with legendary journalist and filmmaker john pilger john thanks for going back on the welcome let's go straight to your latest piece you quote the late robert parry of consortium news claiming that there are approved opinions and brush just side unapproved evidence so go through this well i think you can categorize the news as approved or unapproved. basically we're allowed to see the approved news but not allowed to see the unapproved news so usually the unapproved version is the evidence. doesn't have to be proof but it is the evidence it's the piece in the puzzle that allows us to make sense of the news where tonight ok but then it makes it a bit complicated but more complicated when it comes to iran because britain isn't there after many years of opposing iran on the same side as iran and russia and china against the united states on the iran nuclear deal what do you make of

a trump appearing to threaten their own again and again and britain being on the same side as russia and iran that was really hurt in a mainstream media news it's such a complicated place the world. sometimes sometimes the pieces go to the wrong end of the board when it's convenient and sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend and therefore the most alliances have to before. george. it's. so yes britain doesn't want and most of the you don't want to go ahead and sanction iran the hold down the iranian government because there are riches to be made in iran there are there is great trade to be done in iraq there is oil to be bored in iran there is a great deal of advantage to be gained. in the time honored rail

politic way all dealing with the wrong. truth be told they never liked that is the u.k. and the you never like the us obsession with the wrong the us obsession with iran goes back to the full of the shah or persia who was one of the main pillars of us so-called foreign policy in the middle east and when that came down to nine hundred seventy nine the us has never really recovered its sense its its equilibrium if you like its power in the middle east the points are wrong back if not back it points to deny iran the independence of the arabian state now why trump in particular is obsessed with this i don't know but why shouldn't he be he's an american president he's doing more american presidents always do the fact that he's trump. then courses

a plexi in the media or in the intelligence agencies and so on for the very good reason that he's exposed america without a mosque america in the presidency without a mosque is trump he's a character true and he does what he wants to do but be assured that a president hillary clinton would probably be doing the same thing to iran this. it's the same hillary clinton that when she first went campaigning in two thousand and nine to say that one rally that she was prepared to annihilate iran i think they have sixty thousand plus people in iran she was prepared for not invite them so it is it's basically what the american elaboration wants to do but they don't want to be seen to be doing what trump wants to do there's an internet sign warfare going on within the united states between trump and those who.

who who who really are the institutional foundation of american power clinton certainly hillary clinton said that they would bomb syria but the national security adviser before he was detained went on this program said syria there would be a difference in policy had to trump they seem to be pro russian but now all of this saying the united states will be in syria forever. to attack irena and facilities in syria just take us through where we are at syria i mean we don't hear anything about syria and iran and syria difficult to tell i can't i couldn't. i couldn't in any way chart american thinking it comes back online from time to time and it it's american circle policy on syria is pretty much the same as u.k. policy this saying pretty much what they say now we've got to get rid of these was

then nationals of assad's father would go to get rid of this group go to control syria they're obsessed with sever. to the point where in recent years they haven't really ball when they put in power and the mask is one of pap's one of the most medieval this vicious regimes one could imagine that led by isis my own reading is the trump would like to get out of syria it's messy it's costly for him he doesn't really need it there's no morality here you just pragmatically thousand wanted out there is russia in syria quite successfully in syria if you like. having helped to stave off a major defeat of the government. so he feels he must face up to them well venezuela in the western hemisphere is in british media every other day i mean it's

all because it seems a far away way suddenly is venezuela their big issue the have proved evidence would suggest would do is i'm going to dictate it. what do you make of what's going to happen in venezuela i should add that. seven countries argentina can only chile peru paraguay and so on say that the majority should go to the international criminal court that's just after he's been recently seen with the chinese authorities will it's going back to the old days as the united states used to have the entire latin american continent its so-called leaders as its stooges basically who would say what they what the united states wanted them to say when you when you mention if we go back to the the unapproved use that is news we don't hear about. there's been an attempted coup in nicaragua

a coup by the united states very very similar to the one that carried out in one addressed in that by very similar to the one it once to carry out in venezuela but it's failed indic iraq right now that failure is on approved therefore we don't really hear about it we hear obsessive lee venezuela has the kind of syria in the news of of the latin american continent i mean going back which i think a little bit of the background is necessary when you i read just before i came in here. a study by the university of the west of england into b.b.c. reporting all of the the major chap as he is that is nine hundred ninety eight to two thousand and eight it took three hundred four news reports on the b.b.c. about venezuela three three out of three hundred four mentioned anything positive

about a government that had more than hall of poverty in that country and it set up a whole infrastructure. of welfare and education for the first time in venezuela chap as was the most elected man in the world i have to say held the world record for going before the people to be elected maturer must closely follow but he's country is in difficulty in one of the reasons the major reasons it's in difficulty the major reason in my view is that the total collapse of oil and the the also the collapse of any real will inside venezuela to perhaps deal with it but when i say that i i want to mitigate that with the massive wore off so cool sanctions that rather benign would that use of a blockade only venezuela. president obama you may remember colvin this way of

a threat to the national security of the united states and he began really that whole block a the trump is now enforcing on on venezuela the fact the venezuela has held out the government has held out i suppose that in many ways the society is held out although it's suffered a great deal for as long as it has is extraordinary so do you think the effect of sanctions you call it a weapon of war is no not as effective nowadays of course the u.s. is saying russia sectioning china in a way the terrorists using the days when it could sanction their countries governments out of existence of depends how powerful a country is russia is massively sanction but russia goes own. it goes oh no it's formed a very close alliance with china china is

a bit sanction. might be more sanctions it doesn't really give a damn actually. but we don't have a sense of this great hinterland of alternative power russia or in china. of this if you like the eurasian power we did we don't get the sense we're so we're so atlantic centric if you like that we think only of europe the united states the so-called west all the time but there is a normal part of the world that yes it's sanctioned but it's get to go home and that's getting on in many areas particularly forging alliances with other countries very very successfully in this latest article of yours you exhort redesign view is to translate a kind of news week public slashing of public expenditure you translate into what they what we hear is efficiency savings the destruction of civilized life you say

is a is really the translation of hard choices it's a complete invention to the ten years ago we're now mourning the anniversary of the great crash if you remember the way the great crash in wall street and in the city of london elsewhere it was reported. it was it was reported as the crooked banks it was quite astonishing right across the british press you would see as their fault pictures of the banks and and the we know in the guilty bankers and people will be hold out they'd be shamed in public as usually less of be ashame in the public. in the raid you need to measure sorry but usually trade well and others . but so that last good are calculated for just under a year about nine months and then it changed. it wasn't the day it

the corporate bank's alistair darling gordon brown's. chancellor forked out five hundred billion pounds effectively gave it to the banks i'm sorry if i'm a few billion out there but it was an epic amount of the country's treasure it was a hard choice and you gave it. and that was good the approved news was that it was good but the choice of the crew could banks and the crew could bankers then disappeared from the media instead the wood that was just lying in the news from time to time during the second world war a stereotype. was hold out and we now have something called a stereotype and the stereotype means that all the civilized premises of life in this country have to be attacked have to beyond mind the hospitals have to be starved of all farms the. the the poor people have to

remain poor people and then he'd get poorer everything has to be cut back councils have to lose something like up to forty percent of the money they have available to do normal things for people in it that is their responsibility that when overnight the debt became how did it it became peoples that the whole notion of crooked banks went completely i've never known actually i've never known a reversal of or from fact to illusion so completely and it was accepted it was accepted by all sides it was accepted by both sides in parliament is that we've checked by all media would be yes but even those that had named the guilty bankers with such enthusiasm no longer name them

austerity had to be solved the debt have to be paid back above all it was a complete cohen that was an ideological situation the national health service could have been paid several times over by the money that led this country hemorrhage from this country allowed by the tax regime which will still be there wolf and john pilger after the break. the stock market trading at all time highs the debt. everywhere as they had to be three hundred fifty five hundred percent of g.d.p. . this is a planet on the. major tsunami just. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.

welcome back i'm still with award winning journalist and filmmaker john pilger join you say the twenty twelve health and social care act so four years after the crash of lehman brothers ended legally universal free health care in britain yes it did before two thousand and twelve the secretary of state had a responsibility when beveridge wrote the original charter and i'm not. brought up to lauren nine hundred forty eight it was very simple and very clear it was but based on the great co-operative thing the collectively the the state and the society had responsibility for all our health and the responsibility the ultimate responsibility rested with the secretary of state for

health too to see that happen to be the two thousand and twelve health and social care act took that away and created no normal . cold n.h.s. england and the fragmentation. of the n.h.s. speaking i have to say that in many respects it's rather a brilliant subtle operation because it's got a kind of deniability built into it no we're not privatizing we're just fragmented take it and we'll give it to others quietly that that was done on the back of this invention austerity now i think all that is worth understanding i think is worth understanding in its own to but it's worth understanding in terms of healthy approved and non-approved news the b.b.c.

reporting of the two thousand and twelve health and social welfare act was really a you could the headline was you'll see stories bill which gives power to g.p.'s as well which is a complete distortion but they sum summed up this bill that really a balazs. i'm not i remember evidence whole notion of a national health service and which most of the people of this country i would suggest still believe is the notion of a national health service ok that's a b.b.c. headline about that it was also something if anyone thinks britain isn't in the lead in some things you said a survey said the b.b.c. was bostom of major nation broadcast as in offering opposition at him in the run up to the iraq war this is the libya syria trials and three that's correct that was

a media ten oh that's worse than any other name it was below i was vaguely surprised to see they're not really i suppose the b.b.c. just below the american networks the likes of c.n.n. in offering so little facility to those who opposed the invasion of iraq and i have to say who represented the majority of this country who also opposed it. and the another follow up. academics study by the university of wales at cardiff found pretty much the same thing it said that basically what the b.b.c. reported was what the government wanted it to report it didn't really challenge it amplified what the government was saying and we know that the government was lying through its teeth the empty year cool been paper if i put it that way the guardian

you don't seem to like that paper too much i mean when editor katharina says it's a progressive a thoughtful and progressive newspaper and you say particularly when it comes to judy this of course is in the able it's so thoughtful and progressive in the way it's conducted. occam of a campaign of unrelenting vindictiveness against julian assange. why do you think the guardian a julian as it's a stump times it strikes me is kind of. an unrequited love or something. they fell in love with and they got a lot from him they exploited him they won all sorts of awards they go hollywood movie deals they go to bork they ended up getting a fable pulitzer was basically on the backup water songe and we keep leaks

in its brief tenure with the guy in had had given them but once that affair was over. a song nj. received the full force of the guardian's displeasure and i think in that article i quoted to a number of its leading columnists in the kind of abuse that i don't think i've seen in a serious newspaper i can't remember i've seen actually against an individual the song refused to be a member of the club he shamed so many journalists because he had more firsts if you like in scoops in and what we keep leaks revealed and they've had in the whole in life and he was so successful and he showed i think that the media is really has probably always has been never more

so than now an appendage of a stablished he shone a light on that and that was on forgivable. and yet it was just one small organization we get leaks because i know you also quote the disgraced cia boss former cia was betraying us. saying a war of perception conducted continuously using the news media is what is being called for isn't just something they say to their people. well it's certainly it'll come out of all the dreadful corporate job clotted conferences. they go to. but the head of the british force was she from generals i think generally this is nick cid said pretty much the same thing he said that you know what what appeared in the media was much more

important than defeating the enemy now what this sunday on both sides of the atlantic is that they were done to find the true enemy. in a war of basic propaganda a lot of people are killed in this war propaganda because it is a war propaganda the main enemy of the people at home the main enemy for general petraeus for the american people the main enemy for cynic of the british people it's they all end up with unapproved opinions and that could be calamitous for a world without militarism without nuclear weapons. over things that they don't want and they feel i feel very insecure about clearly because you began by we began by talking about those military exercises they do in your latest article

you end with with the other the figures in the referenced of all propagandist for the nazis in the end. this channel visit. russia which you mention in the context of will go to as being jug it's yeah and the prime minister said that people should not appear on it what sort of would he make of the attack of the yes. well it's it's beating heart of the propaganda or is it my experience with is that it produces news and views that by and large you don't find in other places my only criticism of volatility is when i think it perhaps tries to be a little bit too respectable from time to. plug the baby daughter liz that never happens two years after and so that's that's that's encouraging. so it's

a difference it provides a different perspective. and his head is john's and it also has rather high standards in my view i think it's journalists the professional it's use it's people it's some it's journalists are very brave actually. we've had some journalists in the bust year we've lost so again as yes so all this is something of a threat and when you but most of the attacks like the attacks on truly in the song have come from the album media haven't they when it's it's the kremlin controlled see it's good and so wrong. i think it's very good news that ought to be has weathered all this at least i hope it happens jeremy corbyn she had a chance to john mcdonnell said in the statement a to b b c that he won't appear on this shows a he's been on this year with bill and other cool bins m.p.'s shouldn't appear on

this channel actually he was invited i think to say that by andrew marr. on the various stop richmond. that was the program the hundred and promotion. and he i think from memory he agreed this shouldn't happen anymore. that's extraordinary isn't it coming from a journalist. it it just it ran a boss straight through the any notion of free speech and bore the establishment view of the kind of discussion where happening as something that's controlled by invisible puppet monsters in the kremlin that's so ridiculous so absurd and so unbecoming of all of jeremy colburn's number two but you know the problem with parliamentary politics one of the problems is that is

because we have a media that has sort of put out a contract for germany and the tax him unrelentingly there is no critical real critical discussion from the other side i hate to say it but even from the left there is no real critical to scotsman. outside a program like this there's nothing on the b.b.c. there's nothing really on any of the. mainstream programme so mcdonald can be gracious himself as he was doing clearly with ma in the b.b.c. by saying that an open challenge that's a pity. thank you. that's it for the special edition of going on the ground see you again on saturday just up to this year's nobel peace prize the notes until the people just residential meter with you on saturday forty two years to the day of

the cia the construction of the cuban passenger plane killing rules of the three. you know world of big partners. law and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. america is a house deeply divided and that division only continues the entire brett kavanaugh saga has turned into blood sport demanding each and every one of us pick

a side we're in new territory and that place is called winner takes all. the u.s. national security advisers say is washington will review it but leave america exposed to the international criminal court now is off to the same ball deal does washington to lift some of the wrong times. to force his prime minister to attend to don't phone mounting pressure and to reason make it so let's have no confidence from the polity members just moments before giving a speech. so this now i don't know trombones they can go to saudi arabia that he wouldn't last two weeks without thinking u.s. military and the us president continues to accuse opec of influence prices.