to the united arab emirates and the country standing candidate for presidency mr mayor it's good to talk to you thank you very much and welcome to moscow thank you very much and thank you for now you've put forth your account of this see not only before the elections were formally announced but even before that a legal framework of the constitution has been agreed upon speaking when do you hope to see your name on the ballot. first of all i would like to say that the very act of announcing candidacy was a deliberate political act that was meant to encourage the holding of elections quite frankly i think only just in this is in libya have deteriorated and have fragmented and it is extremely important that we have a renewed legitimacy of a presidency that has the vote of the libyan people and that is why. he did announce the candidacy quite early in march as a matter of fact and he had to hope that the elections felt pressed yes indeed yeah indeed and i think that that was agreed and agreed in public in front of heads of

state and the whole world community the paris agreement was blessed by the united nations and i feel that the dates in that agreement should be respected and the tenth of the december is the day of the election and i think you would agree with me that holding these elections as early as possible would perhaps serve you well politically but you also know that there are many observers. in libya and abroad with no skin in the game who say about the country's not simply ready for that kind of a democratic exercise not right a security wise but in terms of the legal foundations you still have don't have a full fledged constitution. are you putting your political ambitions before the abilities of your country first of all i don't think it is the right of any other nation to determine when we have our lections i think it is in the end it is the french will and heart is no doubt we have to be very accurate about this it is for libyan stakeholders the main players in libya who met in paris and it's

a libyan agreement that was announced in paris but it's by no means a french agreement it is a libyan agreement and all four parties agreed to the date of december tenth no they also agreed that there should be a constitutional framework constitutional framework does not mean constitution because the temporary constitutional declaration that the. have is a constitutional framework and as a matter of fact there is a decree number five for the year two thousand and fourteen that voted the whole house of representatives voted for which oppose presidential elections but postponed their date the date was set in paris and we should respect it because we only need deadlines in order to accomplish anything in life at. previous interviews i can see that here very in a vast that in the concept of legitimacy that is very popular in the west and. a lot of it here is if you live in the west as well but i struggle to understand what

legitimacy really means and war torn countries are going to buy bread let along going to vote as it is a life risk still you know humans are not animals it is not by bread alone that we live and this is actually where it is important especially where you. can but to tell the people that they should just be content by eating bread and having the basics. not have the basics and leave it no they don't and people people do have aspirations like freedom and they do have a separation like living in dignity and in a dignified human life and to have that they need to choose their own leadership and quite frankly to deny them the right to vote with the pretext that it's not time yet or you don't have bread so you should not be asking for the vote they should vote for people who will provide the bread and who will provide the services unfortunately we have a party of the status quo people who have grown very comfortable to the position positions they are in and then threaten their threatened by the elections but we

should not quest for this we should demand the elections not because of me over any other candidate but because because it's the right of the libyan people i don't know contesting the idea of elections i'm contesting for that the conditions for those elections are there and from what i know more than a hundred people have been killed almost four hundred injured in and around tripoli since they end of august that's. hardly a good example of that you know proper political process no but you know the very people who cause these wars and these critters skirmishes and these and these killings and all of this there are precisely the people who do not want the elections because they know they're going to lose and these are the terrorists basically the muslim brotherhood the libyan fighting group these are the people who do not want the elections and they're trying every trick in the book juridical tricks and military tricks unfortunately however even in tripoli things have stabilized there is a ceasefire the attacking forces have withdrawn the libyan people's will was expressed in many opinion polls it was also expressed through the process of the

national conference organized by the united nations and humanitarian look center and switzerland that was commissioned by the u.n. and the overwhelming opinion of the libyan people according to these surveys is that they all wanted elections because they're fed up of the of these politicians that come to power and refuse to give it up and that even if the libyans succeed in agreeing on the constitutional framework and even if they manage to you organize the voting process and those that are going to prevent that this. thing though this various militia groups well recognize well on their of the results of those elections especially those results are not to their liking of course that would be separate tours of of the process and in every country there are people who . things when they don't like them however i believe the overwhelming will of the libyan people and the social fabric of libya the tribes of libya the townspeople of

libya the civil society of libya the women of libya the men of libya will not allow that to happen these militias have been quite tested during the last few weeks and they have proven to be more fragile than people think and if the people really express their will as they have been doing in demonstrations and petitions and so on i believe that the. of the libyan people who would overwhelm everyone it is my own or to put my name forward and hope that other libyans would put their names food it doesn't matter if i win or lose what is what matters is that the process itself wins now what do you say to those who say that this is explicitly and they are liberal idea that what led to the destruction of libya in the first place in a day dia that people going to the polls as more sacrosanct than providing the basic security and they did that you have to take risks and risk more violence in order to test out here political mechanisms i think you're appealing to what's

called the false the cost to me and logic i mean why is that why do you have to give me the choice between either basic services or a freedom why can't why can't basic services be achieved through money because for you know this actual size or political rights you need to have basic security you need to be able to go to the police making your decisions are able to have basic security you need to have a strong presidency that has a mandate from the people to impose the will of the people to build a strong army build strong police build the strong intelligence services that can secure the people and to provide basic services from electricity to fuel to bread to everything so they're not contradictory and to have a prejudice against a liberal minded kind of jeffersonian democracy is it's you know a very questionable premise to have it really do i think to say that it's also quite unusual because i have many friends and family but what was the likely trade they currently before they got out to era leaving them because they need to get out of the beginning is the cow for some time on your lovely country of russia you have people who are nostalgic to of the communist rule but i can tell you you can ask

the many victims of the oppression of the period for example who would if they were alive with testify to the anguish that the been through dictatorship is not a not a nice thing to even when provides food because people are not animals and thinking that people are just herds that only have to be fed is quite wrong had. people who have such a separation as the freedom to express express their opinions to believe what they like to to live the life that they would like to live and these aspersions are quite natural and they've led to a change in multiple countries including yours now. in aaa and authorities in the east don't think gray on pretty much anything but they both blame more market aafia for the disintegration of the country that happened after his night and he just explicitly compared him to joseph stalin which i'm not sure he is and let me let me

answer it in words in my mouth i did not compare him to joseph stalin all i'm saying is that dictatorship can provide basic services but at a very high cost at times it was only a historical example from your own country's history so that you can see my point no for the moment of death who as muslims we have a rule that we only mention our dead in a good way. only can mention all the good things that he has done for the country i would love to get into a blame game of blaming the dead for the mistakes of the living well is. because i actually heard you say explicitly that he allowed the country with no institutions that would allow it to survive in his absence and i wonder if it isn't david a convenient tactic to blame the dad for the mistakes of believing look we can we can study history as long. as we want and we can make these judgments as much as we want the fact of the matter is since two thousand and eleven and to know the mistakes made are so catastrophic that we no longer have any right to judge the

forty two period that least not for now not and not until we fix the country we stabilize it and can deliver services when we have the right to view that history and make a judgment but have serious for him to just judgments i made a couple of years back but as of today i think we should just focus on fixing the mistakes from two thousand. evident to know and then would have a right to judge the forty three years that now if he ever become president a task you go and harriet would be much more daunting than a good office task and the people's level of frustration is far stronger has it ever crossed your mind that the people or they so-called rebels may take out that anger on you in the same way they took on on him the luck of delivery of basic services has become so so bad that any delivery would actually look quite good it is it is a dire condition a very difficult condition and some of my friends tell me only

a crazed person would would go for such a position however i feel that. sense of duty towards the libyan people and because i did participate in the revolution there is a bit of guilt about the situation that we are in today and i would like to do my best to fix the situation to deliver basic services to the people and to give the libyan people an opportunity for a dignified life which they've been longing for that was the dream over the revolted and that is a dream that we have not attained because of mainly islamist infiltration of the state that we come from very different countries but since you alluded to the russian history already i cannot help but compare the russian revolution to the libyan revolution and the russian revolution in one thousand seven hundred began of with a very cruel killing of the zion his family which sat of this cycle of cruelty and bloodshed and total disregard for the sanctity of an individual life isn't that what's happening in libya and it hasn't that started with

a lynching varick cruel lynching of gaddafi i never condoned that clinching i never was part of it i never praised it. as a matter of fact i objected to that whole approach to the resizing and the and the taking out of the deaf ear a bureaucrat i have been consistent since two thousand and eleven in that regard human life is sick. good and the day human dignity is sacred no one should be punished without due process and due process was not given in two thousand and eleven as a matter of fact it could very well be that we have this state because we have never been fair in two thousand and eleven but. you should judge me on my words and deeds and not on other people's and i have been quite vocal about wellness and i ever have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments. people

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latest news is in the press. stuff boise all right so yeah that's pretty good. lyricists through the summer and still ahead. the conductor of the party that i have to i didn't know you had formerly been ambassador to the united arab emirates and a standing presidential candidate for this and i had before the break we were talking about the difficulties with security in the country still pretty much ruled by various militia groups if you become president how would you go about restoring the state's monopoly on power first of all i believe that there are two approaches

to stabilization a more fundamental approach of stabilization is based on. a bottom to top rather than top two down stabilization i would. if i had to become president i would be invoking the stabilizing tendencies of localities and appealing to the local areas and the local regions and the local tribesmen and townspeople for for stabilizing their own areas and policing their own areas with their own local police however to have a state of libya there must be a unified libyan army and it has to be a pound libyan army that is not based on until i believe since not based on regional allegiance not based on media logical indigence but as a doctrine of defending the libyan state and only the libyan state and that it be in people of course and the constitution or the constitutional declaration such an army is feasible the libyan army has always been a libyan unified army it has recently made

a great successes in benghazi and then in getting rid of the muslim brotherhood in the libyan fighting group isis and the libyan army should be supported and built up of course we have realities on the ground in various occasions and their commanders who are strong in the west and the and the south and they should be incorporated in some sort of a joy. command under a unified leadership can i ask you specifically about the unified libyan army because i know that filled martial hell if i have to become ounds the largest aren't force in libya today has endorsed your candidacy but the relationship between civilian and military leadership. is never easy especially in countries marred by violence or decades of authoritarian rule do you envisage any challenges along that path with all due respect to many of our politicians field-marshal please to have that expressed more keenness on the civilian oversight than any of

these politicians and he has made it clear that he does want the elections to happen he's made it clear that the army will follow the orders of a civilian president that's elected by the libyan people so just to assume that because somebody is from the military that he would be against civilian oversight is i think an unfair prejudice i think you know the marshal hafter and his forces already static years of cross human rights violations by western powers and if his forces proceed in retaking the country back they can assume that they civilian death toll is going to rise then maybe some products that will have to be dispersed perhaps but the use of force they maybe even some abuses on the part of his forces can't syria and libya rather be pacified without committing some of the same crimes that are now attributed to that often first of all let me say that. crimes against humanity and war crimes or not under prohibited by international law but by our very muslim religion and by our culture and our tribal its laws and i don't think

that. that ever condone these things that our military court process sees and legal process is against whoever perpetuated perpetrated such crimes and what i would like to see is the following don't do not forget that the victims of the libyan army in the east were also based on civilian. it meant the tribes of the east. bay the but us oldies tribes actually united in fighting terrorism and supported the army so even though it is a military it is a civilian supported military and a city civilian the military and the civilian led military if we have a presidential election that can give rise to a president was elected by the libyan people but mr may i ask you specifically about whether you can restore a war in the water in libya without resorting to actions that. don't you join in

this human rights violations that would be inflicted would be inflicted upon isis. and there and there should be no no no compromise with such terrorist movements if you go whoa that violence is inflicted upon terrorists we do have to abide by international codes of conduct and we do have to respect the human rights of all human beings if there are abuses they will be put to court mr gaddafi in his ears also referring to his on him is a terrorist and some of them frankly were criminals because i wasn't in gaza in two thousand and eleven and i remember whole parts of the city being that there were people hanging from lamp posts in many of the rabble so most of the pickup trucks they used at that time were stolen from the national oil company if you were in his position what do you resort to the use of force. look you know you can't have a plan if you're running for that office and on. the one hand you praise gadhafi on

the other hand you want to accuse him of crimes against humanity i'm not going to get into a judgment game about what do you know i wasn't going to get what i would do is i would apply the libyan law and i would apply to it full vigor with the help of the libyan army and the police force and in doing that i respect human rights and respect the laws governing wars and even wars war and terror has rules that govern it and of course we respect human beings but at the same time i must say that no nation can rise being tolerant to door to terrorists and terrorism and this is the world over speaking about again after his son's safe unless lamas considering running for the presidency as well do you think he should be given that right he's a libyan citizen and there is an amnesty law. if the law allows it and he has no criminal judgments against him like any other libyan citizen he should be running i

mean why why should we prevent anyone from running of course he has the i.c.c. issue but maybe he can sort that out but good luck to him with. i mention that i have friends and your country who kind of fell nostalgia not so much for the good after years but for the conference and the security of those here how widespread is that sense of the thing about the palp candidacy of say fellas. of course this nostalgia is important and i think it's more like a voice of. the present conditions it could very well help them it could also that it would help me or help other people it's very difficult to predict how it will go but it's not something that people can live off people need to find a new way forward look forward we have a vision for the country which is called the revival of libya it's widely published on libya dot com and i took this opportunity to advertise that. we have a vision for the country and we know we do not need to look backwards we have to

look forward and we need national reconciliation. an inclusive approach that that can get old women in libya working together for a better country now apart from violence also has a major problem of corruption deatherage is in tripoli widely believed to have either mismanaged or simply stolen a significant part of their finances if you are the president how would you deliver that would you grab them amnesty for the sake of national unity or would you see them legally risking violence because obviously the militia in tripoli also pretty powerful and they do not want to lead their sources of financing go that easily if i become president i will upload a zero tolerance policy towards the corrupt and i will apply the law in its full vigor and extent for the fighting of corruption corruption is like a cancer and it destroys the body of the nation a new nation can rise with corruption and therefore i'm afraid they will not cut

any deals with the corrupt. they shall be put before the courts. to be a very optimistic person because even the president of this country mr putin here in pledges he is determination to fight corruption but he's been in power for almost twenty years and he definitely has no other radical added if you think he would have an easier task and that when you are trying to fight the cancer the important thing is that you are trying to fight it the success of the cure you are trying is now is by no means guaranteed but it is a duty a national duty to fight corruption and there so do it with all the means that i have to. available to him now prime minister seraj recently agreed to an audit of public finances something that the authorities in the east and international organizations have been calling. for to take that as a more of a political concession or do you think he will proceed and eventually degrade for

his own government well i think the corruption is not rampant only in the west it's also in the east and it's also and in the south of the country and it's you know the central bank all that should not be only of the west so those will be in the east and i believe the request for all that it was a brave step to take i commend them for it there were pressures that led to that and demonstrations in the streets that led to that but nevertheless that of course is very important it is no very important that the security council and the united nations take that request and apply it with with the flu seriousness and vigor and i believe the trust has a very important role to play in this as a full member of the security council this is an opportunity to do an audit and it isn't on the day to see how is finance because unfortunately terrorism in libya is financed from the central bank of libya now we're talking about legitimacy or earlier and the tripoli authorities despite their expired mandates still enjoy some

external legitimacy which is going for it first and foremost by being in united states but also it is kind of couched in in terms of the u.n. mandate how do you explain that and do you think bad will have to change in order for your vision for elections to proceed the legitimacy of the jna is actually an international phenomenon in which russia for specifics. could the vetoed many things but you did not so you're part of it i don't think it's fair to blame the united states for the legitimize ation of the g n a i believe that it's just amazing of the genii without the tabbing gotten the legitimacy from the parliament villepin the elected libyan parliament which i don't accuse also. fully recognized by the united nations was a big mistake to have a legitimate parliament and not respect it polygyny to my eyes it's govern. mint is a huge contradiction which is actually leading to a spitting tendency in the bin affairs and i think that that's

a fundamental mistake i don't think that any government should be ever legitimized except through a legislature that is elected and then you conferred international legitimacy for how it affects the elections i hope that the parliament does pass the electoral laws they have been very slow to do so unfortunately i must say that there are many people in the parliament who would love to just keep staying in their own positions but this tendency to stay as has been plaguing debian politics ever since two thousand and eleven the only people who did handover are the. national transitional council and they did a good job handing over of that nobody handed over anything and very few people resigned from their positions i was last in two thousand and thirteen and back then it was a bit depressing but still bearable and basic services for running mostly by inertia people were kind of hoping that something good would come out of this mass is that

help still there you know if you told that if i had visited moscow ten or fifteen years ago it would not be the same clean and beautiful moscow that i know i mean or if there was a level of violence was not a kind of paragraph there was hope for moscow to be transformed the way it has been and it's no showcase city that has successfully hosted the world cup and that looks. really magnificent city if there is. a city like moscow can do that tripoli can do that too and if you look at world war two the devastation it has caused there are cities that were totally raised to the ground were two that are no threat that i've been cosmopolitan centers where there's art and music and a happy life i think that tripoli and old libya. the city's been gauzy dead and. will be glorious cities because the libyan people are

a glorious people. resilient full of hope and with faith hope and charity i think we can we can actually to do the will be a great nation again well mr mayor thank you very much for your time and the best of luck in implementing this very hopeful vision thank you very much i hope that i . will win succeed and to encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and of the sara ganim same place same time here i don't want the part. of.

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