amps are various in libya and abroad with no skin in the game who say that the country is not simply ready for that kind of a democratic exercise not right a security wise but in terms of the legal foundations you still have don't have a full fledged constitution. are you putting your political ambitions before the abilities of your country first of all i don't think it is the right of any other nation to determine when we have our lections i think it is in the end as it is the french will be an artist we have to be very accurate about this it is for libyan stakeholders the main players in libya who met in paris and it's a libyan agreement that was announced in paris but it's by no means a french agreement it is a libyan agreement and all four parties agreed to the date of december tenth no they also agreed that there should be a constitutional framework constitutional framework does not mean constitution because the temporary constitution the declaration that they have is

a constitutional framework and as a matter of fact there is a decree number five for the year two thousand and fourteen that voted the whole house of representatives voted for which oppose presidential elections but postponed their date the date was set in paris and we should respect it because we all need deadlines in order to accomplish anything in life from the previous century as i can see that here very in a vast that in the concept of legitimacy that is very popular in the west and. a lot of it here is if you live in the west as well but i struggle to understand what legitimacy really means in a war torn country where going to buy bread let along going to vote is is a life risk still you know humans are not animals it is not by bread alone that we live and this is actually where it is important especially where you wouldn't but to tell the people that they should just be content by eating bread and having the basics. have the basics and leave it no they don't and people people do have

aspirations like freedom and they do have aspirations like living in dignity and in a dignified human life and to have that they need to choose their own leadership and quite frankly to deny them the right to vote with the pretext that oh it's not time yet or you don't have bread so you should not be asking for the vote they should vote for people who will provide the bread and who will provide the services unfortunately we have a party of the status quo people who have grown very comfortable to the position positions they are in and then threaten their threatened by the elections but we should not quest for this we should demand the elections not because of me over any other candidate but because because it's the right of the libyan people i'm not contesting the idea of elections i'm contesting for that the conditions for those elections are there and from what i know more than a hundred people have been killed almost four hundred injured in an around tripoli save band of agas that's hardly a good example of that you know proper political process no but you know the very

people who caused these wars and these critters skirmishes and these and these killings and all of this they're precisely the people who do not want the elections because they know they're going to lose and these are the terrorists basically the muslim brotherhood the libyan fighting group these are the people who do not want the elections and they're trying every trick in the book juridical tricks and military tricks unfortunately however even in tripoli things have stabilized that is a ceasefire the attacking forces have withdrawn the libyan people's will as expressed in many opinion polls it was also expressed through the process of the national conference organized by the united nations and humanitarian dialogue center and switzerland that was commissioned by the u.n. and the overwhelming opinion of the libyan people according to these surveys is that they all wanted elections because they're fed up of the of these politicians that come to power and refuse to do. give it up and that even if the libyans

succeed in agreeing on the constitutional framework and even if they manage to you organize the voting process and those that are going to grieve at that place. do you think though this various militia groups will recognize will on their read the results of those elections especially those results are not to their liking of course there would be separate tours of the process and in every country there are people who separate arsed things when they don't like them however i believe the overwhelming will of the libyan people and the social fabric of libya the tribes of libya the townspeople of libya the civil society of libya the women of libya the men of libya will not allow that to happen these militias have been quite tested during the last a few weeks and they have proven to be more fragile than people think and if the people really express their will as they have been doing in demonstrations and petitions and so on i believe that the will of the libyan people who will overwhelm

everyone it is my own or to put my name forward and i hope that other libyans would put their names food it doesn't matter if i win or lose what is what matters is that the process itself wins now what would you say to those who say that this is explicitly and liberal idea that what led to the destruction of libya in the first place in a day dia that people going to the polls is more sacrosanct than providing the basic security and they do that you have to take risks and risk more violence in order to test out here political mechanisms i think you're appealing to what's called the false the cost to me and logic i mean why is that why do you have to give me the choice between either basic services or freedom why can't i can't basic services be achieved through money because you know what is your actual size your political rights you need to have basic security you need to be able to go to the police making your decisions are able to have basic security you need to have a strong presidency that has a mandate from the people to impose the will of the people to build a strong. army build strong police build

a strong intelligence service that can secure the people and to provide basic services from electricity to fuel to bread to everything so they're not contradictory and to have a prejudice against a liberal minded kind of jeffersonian democracy is it's you know a very questionable premise to have it really to say that it's also quite unusual because i have many friends and family but what was the likely trade they currently before they get out to eerily benaud because they need to get out of them because they need the cow for some time and your lovely country of russia you have people who are nostalgic to of the communist rule but i can tell you you can ask the many victims of the oppression of the period for example who would if they were alive with testify to the anguish that the been through dictatorship is not a not a nice thing given when provides food because people are not animals and thinking that people are just herds that only have to be fed is quite wrongheaded people

have such a separation as the freedom to express express their opinions to believe what they like to to live the life that they would like to live and these aspersions are quite natural and they've led to a change in multiple countries including yours now. in tripoli and authorities in the east don't think gray on pretty much anything but they both blame more market off here for the disintegration of the country that happened after his night and he just explicitly compared him to joseph stalin which i'm not sure how it is and i'll read it to you and let me let me answer it in words in my mouth i did not compare him to joseph stalin all i'm saying is that dictatorship can provide basic services but at a very high cost at times it was only a historical example from your own country's history so that you can see my point no death who as muslims we have a rule that we only mention our dead in a good way. only can mention all the good things that he has done for the. one tree

i would love to get into a blame game of blaming the dead for the mistakes of the living will is essential as you say no because i actually heard you say explicitly that he allowed the country with no institutions that would allow it to survive in his absence and i wonder if it isn't david a convenient tactic to blame the dad for the mistakes of believing look we can we can study history as long. as we want and we can make these judgments as much as we want the fact of the matter is since two thousand and eleven and to know the mistakes made are so catastrophic that we no longer have any right to judge the forty two period at least not for know nothing not until we fix the country we stabilize it and can deliver services when we have the right to view that history and make a judgment but have siri for him to just judgments i made a couple of years back but as of today i think we should just focus on fixing the mistakes from two thousand and eleven and to know and then we'll have

a right to judge the forty two years that now if you ever become president a task you go and harriet would be much more daunting than a good office task and the people's level of frustration is far stronger has it ever crossed your mind that the people or they still call rabbits may take out that anger on you in the same way they took on on him the luck of delivery of basic services has become so so bad that any delivery would actually look quite good it is a dire condition a very difficult condition and some of my friends tell me only a crazed person with would go for such a position however i feel that. sense of duty towards the libyan people and because i did participate in that evolution there is a bit of guilt about the situation that we are in today and i would like to do my best to fix the situation to deliver basic services to the people and to give the libyan people. an opportunity for for

a dignified life which they have been longing for that was the dream of why they revolted and that is a dream that we have not attained because of mainly islamist infiltration of the state now we come from very different countries but since you alluded to the russian history already i cannot help but compare the russian revolution to the libyan revolution and the russian revolution in one thousand seven hundred began of with a very cruel killing of the zion his family which sat of this cycle of cruelty of bloodshed and total disregard for the sanctity of an individual life isn't that what's happening in libya and it hasn't that started with a lynching varick cruel lynching of gaddafi and never condoned that ensuring i never was part of it i never praised it. as a matter of fact i objected to that whole approach to the resizing and the and the taking out of the deaf ear of bureaucrats have been consistent since two thousand and eleven in that regard human life is sacred and the human dignity is sacred no

one should be punished without due process and due process was not given in two thousand and eleven as a matter of fact it could very well be that we have this state because we've never been fair in two thousand and eleven but. you should judge me on my words and deeds and not on other people's and you have been quite vocal about well listen they have to take a very short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murderer i would be the death penalty just because i think that's a p.r. thing right thing research shows that for every nine executions. one convict is

found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people was terrifying is just hasn't and that we're even many of the hours and if his forces proceed in retaking the country back we can assume that they civilian death toll is going to rise them maybe some progress that will have to be dispersed perhaps but the use of force they maybe even some abuses on the part of his forces can't syria libya rather be it pacified without committing some of the same crimes that are now attributed to that often first of all let me say that. crimes against humanity and war crimes or not under prohibited by international law but by our very muslim religion and by our culture and our tribal its laws. i don't think that. have to ever condone these things that our military court process sees and legal processes against whoever perpetuated perpetrated such crimes what i would like to say is the

following don't do not forget that the victims of the libyan army in the east were also based on civilian commitment the tribes of the east. but us oldies thugs actually united in fighting terrorism and supported the army so even though it is a military it is a civilian supported military and civilian guided military and a civilian led military if we have a presidential election that can give rise to a president was elected by the libyan people but mr may i ask you specifically about whether you can restore law and the water in libya without resorting to actions that. you don't enjoy it is human rights violations that would be inflicted would be inflicted upon isis. and there and there should be no no no compromise with such terrorist movements it is a good thing how that violence is inflicted. we do have to abide by international

codes of conduct and we do have to respect the human rights of all human beings if there are abuses they will be put to court mr gaddafi in his ears also referred to he's an amazing terrorist and some of them frankly were criminals because i wasn't in gaza in two thousand and eleven and i remember whole parts of the city being looted that there were people hanging from lamp posts in many of the rabble so most of the pickup trucks they used at that time were stolen from the national oil company if you were in his position would you resort to the use of force. look you know you can't have a plan if you are running on that office and on. the one hand you praise gadhafi on the other hand you want to accuse him of crimes against humanity i'm not going to get into a judgment game of about a what do you why doesn't he i mean. what i would do is i would apply the libyan law and i would apply to full vigor with the help of the libyan army and the police

. force and in doing that i respect human rights and respect the laws governing wars and even wars war and terror has rules that govern it and of course we respect human beings but at the same time i must say that no nation can rise being tolerant to door to terrorists and terrorism and this is the world over speaking about going to say full islam is considering running for the presidency as well do you think he should be given that right he's a libyan citizen and that is an amnesty law. if the law allows it and has no criminal judgments against him like any other libyan citizen he should be running i mean why why should we prevent anyone from running of course he has the i.c.c. issue but maybe he can sort that out but good luck to him with that. i mention that i have friends and your country who kind of fell nostalgia not so much for the good after years but for the conference and the security of those years how widespread

is that sense of the thing about palp candidacy of say fellas. of course this is important and i think it's more like a voice of. the present conditions it could very well help him it could also that it would help me or help other people it's very difficult to predict how it will go but it's not something that people can live off people who need to find a new way forward look forward we have a vision for the country which is called the revival of libya it's widely published on libya dot com and they take this opportunity to advertise that. we have a vision for the country and we know we do not need to look backwards we have to look forward and we need national reconciliation libyans involved an inclusive approach that that can get old women in libya working together for a better country now apart from violence also has a major problem with corruption deatherage is in tripoli widely believed to have

been mismanaged or simply stolen a significant part of their finances if you're the president how would you deliver that would you grab them amnesty for the sake of national unity or would you see them legally risking violence because obviously the militia in tripoli also pretty powerful and they do not want to lead their sources of financing go that easily if i become president i will apply as your zero tolerance policy towards the corrupt and i will apply the law in its full vigor and extent for the fighting of corruption corruption is like a cancer and it destroys the body of the nation a new nation can rise with corruption and therefore i'm afraid they will not cut any deals with the corrupt they should they should be put before the courts. to be a very optimistic person because even the president of this country mr putin here in pledges he is determination to fight corruption but he's been in power for

almost twenty years and he definitely has no other radical added if you think you would have an easier task about when you are trying to fight the cancer the important thing is that you are trying to fight it the success of the cure you are trying is now is by no means guaranteed but it is a duty a national duty to fight corruption and i said do it with all the means that i have to. available to him now prime minister seraj recently agreed to an audit of public finances something that the authorities in the east and international organizations have been calling. or to take that as a more of a political concession or do you think he will proceed and eventually degrade for his own government well i think the corruption is not rampant only in the west it's also in the east and it's also and in the south of the country and it's you know the central bank or the truth not the only of the west so those will be in the east and i believe the request for all that it was

a brave step to take i commend them for it there were pressures that led to that and demonstrations in the streets that led to that but nevertheless that of course is very important it is no very important that the security council and the united nations take that request and apply it with with with full of seriousness and vigor and i believe the trust has a very important role to play in this as a full member of the security council this is an opportunity to do an audit and it isn't on the day to see how is financed because unfortunately terrorism in libya is financed from the central bank of libya now we're talking about legitimacy or earlier and the tripoli authorities despite their expired mandates still enjoy some external legitimacy which is going for it first and foremost by being in you not if they have to but also it is kind of couched in in terms of the u.n. mandate how do you explain that and do you think bad will have to change in order

for your vision for elections to precede the legitimacy of the jna is actually an international phenomenon in which russia for specifics. you could the vetoed many things but you did not so you're part of it i don't think it's fair to blame the united states for the legitimization of the g n a i believe that it's just amazing of the genii without the tabbing gotten the legitimacy from the parliament the libyan elected libyan parliament which i don't accuse also. fully recognized by the united nations was a big mistake to have a legitimate parliament and not to respect it put it into my eyes it's govern. mint is a huge contradiction which is actually leading to a spitting tendency in debian affairs and i think that that's a fundamental mistake i don't think that any government should be ever legitimized except through a legislature that is elected and then you conferred international legitimacy for how it affects the elections i hope that the parliament does pass the electoral

laws they have been very slow to do so unfortunately i must say that there are many people in the parliament who would love to just keep staying in their own positions but this tendency to stay as has been plaguing debian politics ever since two thousand and eleven the only people who did handover are the. national transitional council and they did a good job handing over to that nobody handed over anything and very few people resigned from their positions i was last in two thousand and thirteen and back then it was a bit depressing but still bearable and basic services for our running mostly by an airship people were kind of hoping that something good would come out of this mass is that help still there you know if you told that if i had visited moscow ten or fifteen years ago it would not be the same clean and beautiful moscow that i know i mean or if there was a level of violence was not a kind of paragraph there was hope for moscow to be transformed the way it has been

and it's no showcase city that has successfully hosted. the world cup and the. media a magnificent city if there is. a city like moscow can do that tripoli can do that too and if you look at world war two the devastation it has caused there are cities that were totally raised to the ground were two that i know through a thriving cosmopolitan centers where there's art and music and a happy life i think that tripoli and old libya. the city's been gauzy. will be glorious cities because the libyan people are a glorious people. resilient full of hope and with faith hope and charity i think we can we can actually who would be to be a great nation again well mr mayor thank you very much for your time and the best of luck in implementing this very hopeful vision thank you very much i hope that.

we would succeed thank you and courage are yours to keep this conversation going and our social media pages and of the same place same time here on all the part. of. the stock market trading at all time highs the debt load peak everywhere as we had said two hundred fifty three hundred fifty five hundred percent debt to g.d.p.

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