to see what the options are but certainly i think the illogical position as things stand at the moment for scotland for an independent scotland would be to be a member of efta and the european economic area so that gives you the benefit of being in the european market with the don't side of being in the customs union a or in the agricultural policy or the fishing policy no with a nice easy solution to this is still all one we all good and all bad but i think on balance that's a good way forward but wouldn't as the unionist parties would say would not cause problems on the scottish english bottle was so hard the government were working to stop a normal irish style backstop for scotland then the european negotiations would in the circumstances an independent scotland after welcome before phnom separately there wouldn't be difficulties and trade between scotland well i think you'd need to be a deal between scotland and england in terms over yuki single market but the s.n.p.

policy at the moment is if it happens and scotland becomes independent there laughter our policy in the moment is to go back into the european union i think that will present far more problems than being members of a fatah and the european economic area so it's a toss up between force the balances i mean when it came to the brakes of words like most people i wasn't a deal no our borders johnson who's a deal logically one way and we don't hear a libya logical remained of the other we i think it was a balance from was for can recently self-assured in scotland for example over sixty percent of the population in scotland describe themselves as you do skeptic that means at least a third of the people who describe themselves as you know skeptic remove what you mean they have no idea logically attached to the european union but wouldn't it be still anomaly in europe describe yourself occasionally of a skeptic. in an f. to a tight style arrangement. like iceland norway switzerland and liechtenstein you know

free access to the european market of hundreds of millions of people but you might be find yourself with questions still to be resolved of the scotland england market well of course the differences mean obviously switzerland has got a completely different arrangement and there are variations in terms of for the deal can be i don't think you could be absolutely prescriptive until we see the u.k. deal in being but what i'm seeing is that certainly at the moment it looks to me much more logical for an independent scotland to joint effort on the european economic a via rather than go back into the european union and i don't believe if we go back into the european union we would get away with north adopting the euro and i think the util would be a disaster for the scottish economy which comes with your after orientated scotland how well my view is and scope becomes independent we should move towards the use separate scottish currency and i think listening to the former greek finance

minister who's written on the stuff and who i think his experience is very useful for the scores we have he's basically seeing you goof he would support scottish independence on one condition the know is that we have our own currency because iceland has a sort of norway has its own currency switzerland his own comes the electoral staying well i think he uses both of the youth who are this was rocking absolutely and the interesting thing about all of these countries is that the standard of living pay haid is far far higher in each and every one of those countries than as in scotland or indeed in the u.k. the timescale for independence i'm about to interview angus macneil who caused a big stir by saying by next march let's have a referendum a scottish in the past year you see the arjun say that this mcneill sees are you more cautious like the party with my view is that the quicker we get independence the better because if you look at the condition of the scottish economy in the.

challenges coming down the road with the artificial intelligence and all the rest of it i'm looking at the experience of the country just mentioned i use and being a very good example of a small countries have the ability and the gelati to respond to global economic fight deals to the one benefit so the quicker we get independence the battle i think realistically in thames of winning the independence referendum a new angus's will happen next march i unfortunately think that it's no probably going to happen apart from anything else that requires legislation that will take longer than the six months to get through this important point is that once we knew the deal between the u.k. we and the e.u. then i think they need to up a very clearly a way forward as quickly as possible towards achieving independence we need independence is certainly is possible so that can we can we can get scotland back up to the top it sure wants of economic performance and realize the benefits of our

own resources for our own people and know any spate of wolf whether you're for or against blake said i think the one thing we're all agreed upon is that to these of me another merry band of men and women in the tory party of shouldn't her not to run a country not only could we run our own country better the name we can actually run england better than they have an interesting thought how it can actually lastly some people are against a second referendum either in europe or on scotland some people are for both there are some people who want the palace second and the previous referendum on europe but not in scotland let the liberals for example if you want another referendum in scotland but not while in europe how do you think we're sort of the conference is going to address these to a referendum once people of tikkun the decision to change in this case to vote for breaks it is very difficult in democratically to argue and away she said before that if i. i'm there once the deal was done that would be

a confirmatory referendum not more since they had everybody said that was the final decision and that was obese and pushed people voted therefore. i also think there are practical problems for example it would take ill nominee or to have a break so reform in a because you need six months for the legislation you then under the rules need six months for campaigning i don't think the country whether we're talking about scotland or the u.k. we really want another year of the mayhem we've seen with the with the two days of conduct with us and the s.n.p. conference next week are they going to be champing at the bet for another go at the independents as you well i think have to be in the same piece champing at the bit for they only really for they know his alias possible but i think there's a debate in the party about just exactly when the timing is thank you very much alec neal not only neil was above have as one of the few leading us and people were titian's who voted for brett said but now he's taken more or less common cause with pro european m.p.

neil and calling for in seizing the independents moment i caught up with buying a fairly speaking from and he's had to be in constituency. cost quite a start in the run up to conference by putting a very short timescale on the next independence referendum you were calling for that by next march what was the logic and choosing that date well it's predicated on the fact of the possibility of my new deal but that's a reality the scottish government hospital ready with some lifejackets some life with some life lasted over it to get over the second ship first you keep teasing me he said for the last yes but it would have been else she slumming to do it it's always good practice to keep appeared to have at least some sort of emergency drill waiting in the waves that we have to do it with and of course if you're going to go do let's assume for the twenty ninth of march if you didn't feel it because it gets things a little because she might. born to december twenty twenty now we saw at the labor

conference in liverpool last week a step towards a people's vote on europe do you think at the s.n.p. conference will be a step towards a second the dependence referendum believe it has to be noted or plain policy related policy changes you know early and according to personnel and probably changing every day to so there's nothing fixed for what is called a people's evidence you've got to get it in you did not disappoint me oh you chair of the international trade committee of the house of commons the select committee you know getting a bit frustrated after producing report after report warning of the dire consequences of a no deal blacks are a bad deal blacks that your colleagues seem to be ignoring all of your reports that indeed many frustrating because people are living and you know wishful fucks you up and if you just take one example the g.d.p. gain from and deal with the united states of america remembers the isis the next

quarter or the ones g.d.p. the g.d.p. again is only eight point two percent but it bears the six percent or the eight percent i mentioned area that's a thirtieth or authorities of the damage they're going to do that means that the u.k. has to find its self fifty cents us if. it was a quarter of all the ones g.d.p. we're going to need eight to twelve planets for the u.k. to make up its lost in g.d.p. with its nearest large city block which of course you need and i guess you're an experienced parliamentarian at westminster i'm asked but a statesman as a speaker of the house of commons likes to call you what should assessment of what's going to happen in the country what's on blacks at the sort of the first we're going to see or for the option of least damage the other option is of course that both very damaging and you want to get back to a situation where you're not be stuck with least damage but you reach out if it works is a better scenario analysis been in custody in and out of the single market both occurred. i love me. well i love them somebody how does know

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ok. thank you. welcome back one of the fascinating contrasts between scotland and catalonia is that while scotland secured an independence process in twenty fourteen the people's demonstrations in catalonia a nation tonight as it to self-determination where much much larger the catalonia national day regularly attacks more than one million people onto the streets of bicycle in scotland even in the run up to the independence for twenty fourteen thirty thousand was considered a large crowd however i things changing night i asked martin hannan a journalist with a national newspaper who's been covering the all i'm to one battle marches up and down scotland well cry they were expecting an edge of power for the march and rally on saturday martin hardin welcome to the alex i'm unsure so tell me

a bit about the march of the been happening up and down the country under the banner all under one banner where the debate and how many people have been attending them it's been going for a couple of years no such year that this phenomenon that's taken off which started in me and glasgow when rona going somewhere between thirty five and sixty thousand people marched through the city and they took everybody by surprise including the organizers no video why so many people saw no for the march and rally it was an incredible success and they carried on from there you know there's no idea was to go into country so france has been to countries but i want to. two thousand people in that tiny town which actually is. able to snore in that effort and that's been quite surprised to have such a large number and that part of the country absolutely but a lot of people traveled there and. there was also local people involved and then

it carried on to. two. other than yourself in spelling and fun last. sunday sixteen thousand people times i know we're looking forward to next out today and then but when that will be on march eighth and then all my all. will be quite spectacular the estimates of the moment anywhere between two and sixty thousand people what part do you think marches played an independence movement among the people that they are not alone in there. and their campaign for independence not to say important people are sitting on that given that that is a network doing the right across the country and is growing by the day and idea say that if we try something like that and twenty sapien shot we see and i think that is all we have been there from i think it would have been i guess thoughts and i'm very confident that these marches and wealth without being in the at the moment though especially towards the next and the time this referendum whenever that may

be the people will get a decent goal to campaign on to when independence of scotland which is long overdue martin hannett joining with the national newspaper thank you very much indeed for your insight you're more than welcome so yeah i'm absolutely delighted to be joined from catalonia by elephant upolu see the present of the catalan national assembly ever said oh welcome to the alex salmond so it's lovely to see you again clearly feelings are still high and bosler not of course across catch a lot and get this week and scotland there's going to be another march anetta but you may have heard of i'm keen to take an understanding from me of what you think the importance of marches are to a independence movement whatever that might be in catalonia or did in scotland. it was very important to choose and what we didn't want to. show was that turkey is a man's our home how rather than on their own that's how people have

about. how the gestures are they are willing to demonstrate they are willing to our best things they are willing to are going to use. our most he had. the opportunity thinking they are. going to have three seasons well i think it's lovely to see you thank you so much for your time wishing you all the very best indeed ellice end up losing the present at the castle and national assembly thank you very much i have to live under my medical bank you very much now to discuss in detail the contrast between scottish and catalonian politics and their campaigns for independence alex is joined by former presiding officer of the scottish parliament to share marek and catalonian government representative to the u.k. sergey marson. to show welcome to the likes of unsure thank you so it's almost a year to the day since the referendum the unofficial referendum in catalonia how things moved on since that is

a difficult moment because we have people in prison as you know we have a member of the parliament that in the modern tribes with sedition that is overly a really strong or charge because thirty years of freedom for all of them is a difficult situation for the politicians and the society this morning to tell me. as a former presiding officer of the scottish parliament you've been an observer of the catalonian situation that effort and of the elections are not a frequent visitor to catalonia what is your assessment of the situation assumed spend a lot of the time and cuttle in over the last year i think things are difficult i think is difficult for the political parties to keep the momentum going and i think it's difficult for the civic society who want the process to be even quicker and. i think there is a bit of pragmatism and another of the mind this is some class the moment. leading cattleya an independent to start with the could be

a potential role for us independent politician or i'm not coming back i'm not coming back after not the importance i do think is interesting because a car before cattail who was the president all the catalan parliament is in jail at this moment without trial on charges that she allowed to be the police and the parliament so that's a dramatic thing i mean especially for a little a former presiding officer or perhaps if we go back in history for former speakers of the house of commons as the reason they get dragged to the chair is that the ended up in the in the tower of for do the wrong thing but you know this is the twenty first century you wouldn't expect a presiding officer or a speaker to be jailed for allowing the parliamentarians to debate what they wanted to debate the gesture of a president to represent not settled or indeed a speaker is to make sure the happened in the parliament that is what the of the of

to do to make sure that all of the voices i had you were the presiding officer when i was the first minister under the gleeman was made between scotland and london to have a process by which the independence referendum could be legally held do you see any prospect of an edinburgh agreement coming to pass and in catalonia i think we've got to this and there will be that there is going to come a day is pressure externally on spain chill it to happen is the spanish government will have stopped such an agreement because the claim is against the. constitution even to discuss the matter is there is also a political monday treasure and surgery for. thank you so much and thank you. in contrast to the other major parties the s. and p. is largely united on europe the arctic gets breaks it and believe that the tory and

labor plans for dealing with the european union are doomed to failure the debate in the s.n.p. is rather concentrated on how quickly to push forward on another independence referendum the activist base is champing at the bit but the leadership is more cautious fretting that a second defeat could finish the cause for the forseeable future from two ends of the european debate alex and i'm just mcneil now unite to press for agency in addressing the independence test they are moved by the thought that the westminster establishment has never been weaker while the european future for scotland whether it be in the european union or s stuff would never be easier to negotiate one thing is for certain when all under one banner rally takes place a saturday an edge of drama and the crowd are asked in the time honored fashion what do they want the answer will be and dependence on the wrong time scale will be not. thank you for watching i'm from alex myself and all of the show the phoenix.

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