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stay with us now for me so to to speak . on this week's show happy birthday nasa sixty years in space now where do we go from here but first net neutrality a lives unless the trump administration gets its way and grizzly bears are out of the crosshairs amid mounting disapproval of trophy hunting i'm holland cook in washington this is the big picture on r t america. f.c.c. chairman had been an outspoken critic of his predecessors policy few issues have

animated protests in the past year or more than the f.c.c. has rollback of obama era net neutrality rules in twenty fifteen the commission treated the internet like a phone company and rules prohibited your internet service provider from blocking content throttling back your speed or creating preferential high speed lanes new administration new rules president trump elevated the f.c.c. commissioner to chairman and didn't want to regulate the internet like phone companies and pilot the republican party line vote to undo net neutrality last december that change took effect in june but not before various states took action governors in hawaii new jersey new york mine ten rhode island and vermont have issued executive orders state legislatures have passed laws in oregon for

a moment washington and now in california where the law goes beyond what the other states have done this week the justice department filed suit challenging california's new law chairman pie saying california is. management poses a risk to the rest of the country broadband as an interstate service internet traffic doesn't recognise state lines it follows that only the federal government can set regulatory policy in this area so who better to help sort this out than someone who wears two hats attorney and media analyst welcome lionel thank you step what if any precedent is there for a legal challenge like this where the federal government says not so fast about a state law. how much time do you have first of all there's the issue of preemption who runs the show here commerce clause this supremacy clause is

california trying to undo valid federal regulation you also have by the way our number of folks from the cable industry themselves and i as peace who are against this and you also have something which is even more important and that is if you remember how and the better the sound of the actor the concept the worse it is net neutrality cool could be against net neutrality no child left behind the patriot act see so if you think that the nineteen thirty four communications out which deals with internet as a common carrier ma bell days if you think that's up to speed well you go ahead a lot of us in the twenty first century don't think so so i think the president is the aforementioned and common sense can you think off the top of your head of another example where the local sam told the state you can't do that. well it's

done all the time in terms of supremacy when you have for example let's say a state the state of. new york decides to legalize marijuana and you have jeff sessions who says oh no no no our federal component is still here you can't undo our supremacy or whatever it happens all the time with with parallel jurisdiction between states and and of federal government as well but what this is really about though is remember this is this is what you scare you remember hollander in the dark days of the the notion of the fairness doctrine it was only fair about it all was horrible well what if i were to treat the internet like a phone company and one day holland i can have you holland cook license your voice subject to scrutiny to to censorship because after all your leg. the phone company and i may not grant your license because we don't like what you have to say though

we differ say that what chairman calls the previous so called title to net neutrality heavy handed is leaving something like this to the marketplace ultimately good for the consumer well that's a unique way of saying sometimes yes and i'll tell you why if somebody is throttling your service there's a concept but if somebody is slowing you down if you say a variety is in to whatever it is what this why are you charging me more why is it why is my speed not as good as this one under market considerations you would say i'm leaving i've never seen anything where the consumer has no say we have right now i don't know but you but i'm getting ads on the lobes and people in my building signing up for you want this broadband service you want this when you went out when we're faster we're smarter and that competition can only be had and appreciated if the free market as allowed to be free now in terms of the state by state by state

thing and i got about thirty seconds don't issues like this benefit from having one national set of rules. i hate to say it this is number one the best legal answer it depends if you have something that crosses for example you would want to have a national rule regarding desegregation the individual and i think we do want to have rules that apply to the internet across the country and not state to state so that california is faster than montana it's edward said well those are the only places on education so yeah we're going to keep an eye on this story and what happens in california thank you lionel for lionel media thank you sir reprieve for the grizzly bear a federal judge in montana over ruled the trumpet ministrations twenty seventeen action removing grizzlies from the endangered species list they remain protected in and around yellowstone national park and the order blocks plant hunts in wyoming and i go there only an estimated in your view are there what this international

wildlife conservation council terms economic benefits to relaxing these import restrictions on big game and ivory etc i mean the international law of conservation council first of all you know as you pointed out in the opening remarks it's deceptively named is really you know it's a council that stacked with trophy hunting interests and also political connected donors and so what they want is to relax the regulations of our trophy and pour so that it will be easier for them to bring to bring back their kills and it's really you know a one sided attempt to appease to a considerable and see that favors trophy hunting ivory is not cool is it ivory is not cool and trophy hunting of elephants is not corriere thank you iris ho senior specialist of wildlife programs and policy for humane society international care.

coming up nasa the national aeronautics and grace ministration turn. sixty so where do we go from here and why bother with space you will see and hear the last man who walked on the moon next this is the big picture on our t. america. is a. secret indeed just like priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it literally i like to call this the do graphic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is

a perpetrator is simply moves him to a different spot were the previous standards not the highest ranks of the catholic church conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system to that end of that's known as the i intend to. use this out in. this. case. why should americans work other taxes stalin and obamacare stalin that have through the central bank that money transferred into the pockets of a few cartel members to create while they make a gap social unrest social cohesion arrests and wide scale poverty watch that happen. when a loved one is murder it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would

prefer it be the death penalty just because they think that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine execution. one convict is found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people is terrifying there's just no really hasn't been that we hear even many victims' families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families want to that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in saying. not quite enough we've been through this this isn't the way. you know world a big part of new things a lot face and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical

thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. the last human to step on the moon stepped off december thirteenth one nine hundred seventy two he was united states navy captain eugene andrews cern and commander of apollo seventeen which was the final apollo mission just a month before he passed away and twenty seventeen gene cernan sat down for an interview that has not been seen until now and if you ever wondered why bother with space he explained why we can be proud of that investment. technology needs

a focus it needs a goal needs a challenge it is it it needs a purpose to be developed you just don't develop technology and that's. what do i do with it you've got to have a reason and a reason your past has always been war ok think about it if you look back far enough television came from the radar revolution during world war two and all these other things that came from for they came historically from wars from weapons came useful technology that people could use in the factories in their homes. our cold war race with the russians did the same thing but we didn't bomb millions of cities and kill millions and millions of people we lost some people along the way there's no question we had our tickertape parades but we paid dearly for our mistakes but when it was all done and said we did it without a massive. world. how the cost if you were.

president eisenhower signed nasa into existence in one nine hundred fifty eight president kennedy valid we go to the moon in the one nine hundred sixty s. and we did and lyndon johnson said there are no blueprints or road maps which clearly marked out the course the limits of the job are no less than the limits of the universe so where do we go from here let's ask dr michelle foller a nasa astro physicist welcome to the big picture thank you it's great to be here khalid we all know about velcro and tang but give us more of the space dividend what do we have as a result of what gene cernan said i know it's funny we always get told about the velcro and tang actually neither of which were true nasa spin offs. here urban myth you know a that's right. so many things i mean you know being a scientist i think about the tremendous increase in knowledge as to who we are and what our place in the universe is but if you want to get practical about how it's changed our lives you know whoever thought about miniature izing

a computer but why would you want to do that you know in world war two we had these giant computer rooms that took up your whole floors of buildings well what if you want to launch it in space you need to make it small and i bet right now you're probably carrying around a computer somewhere on you that is more powerful than the best computers we had the apollo program but you have it because we wanted space that thing that landed up there had a thirty three k. in it i was more than that in your watch now right absolutely what are some of the other things that fell out of space that we use commonly well i mean we thought they were things like the detectors the cell phone cameras the g.p.s. system that actually allows you to know where you are anywhere on the planet it's a satellite system of course but there are two other even more fundamental things because we now understand our environment on our own planet a lot better because we've seen it from space from space there are no borders you see the earth as a system how the atmosphere affects the oceans the the ozone hole the fact that we were depleting the ozone layer destroying our own atmosphere. was discovered in the late one nine hundred seventy s. and early one nine hundred eighty s.

by nasa satellites among other people you said a minute ago to find out who we are and i member carl sagan being interviewed might have been in the seventy's and somebody asked him the same question why bother elisa to find out who we are and this is a lot of the curiosity driving what we're doing on mars now isn't it oh absolutely we need to understand how the building blocks of life are brought to planets what makes our planet habitable as opposed to like mars now there's a possibility there still is life today on mars microbes maybe somewhere under the soil we need to find them you know prove them i mean the amazing thing is maybe in a few decades of studying life on mars will know how life starts you know how things actually get going so you know at the moment the only example we have of life is here on earth we don't know with life anywhere else but what if in the next ten years we can find examples of life on mars on the moon of saturn or the moon of jupiter you know the next generation of people who get to graduate school could have four different instances of different kinds of life rich guys like jeff bezos and ilan mosque and richard branson are spending up pile to send billionaires for

a joyride in space is nasa cool with this or is that minorities well you know one of my favorite things that i've done in the last year is i've been to several space x. launches and landings and they are amazing to see and when you see a rocket take off and then seven minutes later you go dumps off a satellite in space comes back and lands the first stage wow it's your eyes don't believe what's happening the thing to remember is that space x. for example is one of our major partners that they actually launch our resupply missions to the space station and nasa pays for those rockets and we're actually a partner with them in space exploration itself i mean to me the more companies that are using space as a platform the more people up there the better jeff bezos and blue origin's recently built a big new building right by the visitor center of the kennedys of driving past that so you can see the check because you the changes that are going on at kennedy right now so it's just more knowledge in general because there are more people doing it. well i mean i want cheaper ways to get into space i want ways that you know more

more access can put up more smaller satellites students can actually practice building their own satellites because launch them for less money the more access to space the more people the more students the more professors we have using this the better for everybody on the planet the. title you carry astrophysicist why would you want to do that for a living i do jeff first you know so i am i am definitely not a great person to ask that because the answer is since i was conscious but my mother said that when the my parents are not scientists why mom so this is i could walk i want to go out look at the stars and i couldn't even tell her why the stars have fascinated me since i was a very small child and twenty years on being a scientist at nasa i started about twenty years ago at the jet propulsion laboratory it hasn't gotten any less it's still just as inspiring are we coming to the point where we will no longer need to hitch a ride with the russians to the international space station well that's the idea we are currently scheduling test launches for these crude capsules crude being

a bit crude and that's bill b. happened by accident apollo seventeen where the last flight and i'd like to think it was the best my goal in life was to do it better and it ever been done before it landed in in a valley that had mountains on three sides higher than the grand canyon is the hill and it had value i want to know that seven feet i mean i was looking up at the mountains after apollo thirteen and i think we really got our act together in and develop the confidence with particularly with with fifteen sixteen and seventeen we had more capability on the lam longer stay times took lunar rover to do things we couldn't do before you can only learn so much by sending a robot a camera. some kind of device it which you really need to do is put me under with all those until they just make the decision of what to look at when and for how long so. one thousand nine hundred twenty eight i think might very well have taken us to some of those places i think our level of confidence was high enough and we

were now looking at the more scientifically interesting places to go and things to do and we were confident enough in a technology that we could get there safely and back one who knows that's just my thinking. and that sure is the big picture with big thanks to paul go iser at katy b.b. radio in texas who conducted what may have been gene cernan last interview if you missed any part of this week's show you can find it any time anywhere on any device at youtube dot com slash the big picture our t. and if you see us somewhere else we're also on directv channel three two one pluto channel one three two and dish two eight zero holland cook in washington

back next week and in the meantime on twitter at holland cook and if you follow me i'll follow you question more. the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. costing us a lot of sympathy i want to. put as many of them look for refuge

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