on the international chemical weapons course. we'll be back live in moscow next hour with michael they always say we're taking to the late top stories just ahead it's called talk of the impact of the brett kavanaugh scandal and if you are . below and welcome to crossfire things are considered. the idea of freedom of speech is under threat speaking your mind can blend you into serious trouble now you are presumed guilty and must prove your innocence heard rules and the sovereign individual is how did you decide once speech has been redefined as a virtue signaling.

political correctness i'm joined by my guess then you'll want to back in austin he's a professor of philosophy at the university of texas as well as a contributor at newsmax in new york we have rob how he is a political pundit and journalist contributing to the huffington post and we have gavin mcginnis he is host of the get off my lawn on c r t v dot com gentlemen cross-like rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it gavin i'm not on your lawn so you don't have to ask me to get off it we're in the wake of almost in the wake of this whole. spectacle really a disgusting spectacle for the u.s. senate and for the media i would say here. but we learned again through this whole saga you have to be careful what you say you have to filter yourself about what you say and i'm referencing here of course the me too movement things have only gotten

worse or not getting any better gavin in new york go ahead. well it was a trap it was. an allegation that went out there and they were testing the republicans to see if any of us would say she's a liar i don't believe it she's a slut blah blah blah and we didn't take the bait we carefully said let's hear her out we have due process year we started with the magna carta and we took it very slowly because they were dying for us to slip up and disparage this woman ok rob i mean you have the head still left equated self very well in all of this i mean here is this young woman yelling and screaming at senator flake and then it's comes out that she's really a highly paid operative could go into elevators and scream at the top of her lungs with the cameras already there i mean what kind i mean i understand it's politics but at the same time you know there's no virtue in that kind of thing here i mean there is an advise and consent process here and that's exactly what the senate was

trying to do go ahead rob. well that one woman is not represented there the whole party. fair or anybody else fair that they are set with brett kavanaugh and they're bad actors on both sides of the worst probably being our president who started out with some decorum last week and said she seems very credible and then acted himself like a seventeen year old frat boy the other night he just couldn't keep his mouth shut and i think he sets the tone for the whole country and we all begin yelling at each other from both sides look i'm not pleased with cory booker either i think if you if you cut his head open and saw what was inside it would just say to me in giant letters with explanation points after it certainly doesn't want to have spartacus in there daniel the lonely conservative takes up next year i mean

i mean it seems to me that this whole university culture of political correctness is now invaded society in general here don't question nod your head and rob is absolutely right the woman screaming at and senator flake in the elevator is not doesn't represent all women but at the same time cavanagh does not represent all men everyone has the right to due process and i think that's what's missing right here go ahead daniel your feelings about this. well i think that's absolutely right i've been shocked at the number of people on both sides who are willing to leap to conclusions before they've actually seen any evidence i was in a position for ten years when i actually had to investigate certain sexual misconduct claims at the university and you can't start out with an assumption that one person or the other is telling the truth and the other is lying you have to see how it goes you have to wait and and take time i think there was reason to be

suspicious here in that dianne feinstein held this for weeks until finally coming out after the hearings initially were over i think that was something that would reasonably make one think something was being hidden but otherwise i think you just have to wait for investigations you have to wait and hear testimony you have to weigh different accounts at different times to see whether there are discrepancies or whether people are telling exactly the same story you have to hear from other witnesses and that process as bizarre as it has been at certain points has actually now taken place so i think it would have been wise on both sides for people to simply wait i thought the hearings showed a lot more heat than light and i really absolute most of our senators disgraced themselves yes and really damaged the process let's think about what kind of precedent has been started here gavin you know you know blaming both sides i don't

i don't at all i think the left is can describe a spill and about this moving the goal post every single moment they lose one thing they move the goalposts again and they keep doing it you know the f.b.i. has concluded its investigation apparently but i don't think it's over it yet because the goalposts has to be moved again go ahead gavin in new york yeah i'm not buying this sort of there's bad guys on both sides and there's good guys on both there's bad guys on the left the left played dirty pool. they use children all the time they're the ones doing the what they hate crime hoaxes every time you hear about a fake me too thing trivializing real rape it's a liberal it's an activist and they've been doing this forever remember remember that mohammad clock nice clock mohammad bring it to the white house no ahmed was his name so i argument and that was some little kid used as upon to sort of. pretend that islamophobia was

a major problem at his school there are always using children and women and hoaxes always playing dirty pool and then they just sweep it under the rug and they're on to the next crime like cavanagh is already over they don't care they're unflappable they'll be gone to some other fake pee tape or some other ridiculous fraud and they just keep doing it in an effort to prevent trump from getting reelected and the irony is it's this kind of dirty pool that is going to get him reelected yeah yeah i tend to agree the more the media demonize them him it keeps them in the media here rob i said in my introduction that you know for freedom of speech is being replaced with virtue signaling i mean it seems that the left can't win on the merits and can't win the argument then it goes asymmetrical and it's doing it with greater frequency and and the weaponization of the meaty me to movement has only made it worse ok you're a good liberal friend of mine so i'm not saying that's you but it is this is

a phenomenon that i think is prevalent on the left go ahead bob. it's just a new terrain and a new territory for everybody involved you know i wonder what would have happened if ten years ago or five years ago we said we would be investigating charges against somebody when they were seventeen years old yet i thought i happen to not like brett brett kavanaugh i don't like his whole tenor and his his manner in the way he handled himself in the senate and it wanted to solve this maybe donald trump could have found a better candidate or the republicans could a lot of us have merrick garland when when we we wanted to nominate him in the first place but be that as it may we're just seeing a whole new world out there right now and it is kind of odd were allowed to yell hideous obscene things and say if you go to the present a united states on twitter which i've seen people do daily as much as i dislike donald trump i will respect the office yet then conversely in print

as as an established journalist i'm sometimes afraid of what i say and write because i will be attacked for it yeah and you get to be attacked primarily on the left not the right here ok daniel i mean rob just said somebody goes after me what. daniel mentioned. didn't emerge i think that maybe that was the word but that was what he was getting at i guess this is where we are i watched his statement in front of the senate committee and i almost cried i did thought my goodness somebody is not afraid to say what's on their mind particularly when they're protecting themselves and their family and the left land basts him for that ok that i get i guess we really have two americas right now i thought it was a stupendous job something that i will remember for the rest of my life because it

made me feel proud to go ahead daniel. well i agree i think he did a wonderful job and so did lindsay graham in defending him of course someone is going to be angry when they've been accused of things that are false and so if you go in with the assumption that she's telling the truth we're going to have one attitude about his reaction but if you think in the end he's innocent of these charges of course he's going to be outrage and i too was really please i think it's absurd to think that all of the change in the tone of our discourse has been due to donald trump i think he's the reaction to this letter has been out of control for really almost twenty years now the attacks on george w. bush were outrageous comparing him to hitler and so forth. i think there was a huge amount of real nastiness there coming from the left exclusively and it wasn't until trump's candidacy that someone on the right started punching back so i

think trump is the response to all of this he's not the cause and gavin again going flipping through the. the channel c.n.n. emmis n.b.c. as this whole ford story collapses they don't seem particularly interested in it now they're interested in if. the supreme court nominee is an alcoholic they instead like in a nanosecond they switch the narrative scream our couple they didn't even reflect upon their own words of the last two weeks go ahead gavin a new yorker like a drunk chick current day you know a woman will get to a point after maybe four or five lines where she's just like a stick of dynamite and you're scared of just setting or off and she starts ranting in different directions and then gets hysterical then is crying that is mad then it's sad and that's the left and that's a to talk to speak to what you're saying earlier about donald trump as a reaction to that remember the huffington post they said we're only covering trump

in the entertainment section not the political section now mitt romney would have rolled over george w. bush would have rolled over. every other candidate we've had even ted cruz probably wouldn't react to that and trump said hey ariane i didn't your husband leave you for a man yeah yeah you did i think you made the right choice. last trip ball and we've got we had got a pit bull ok gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on political correctness stay with our team. seem to be swinging with you to. look at with

a showing at the. do you think it should be. you have to see something. of a ship in. the book to the person who will make sure we see you know i don't know what the. reason the focus. right there yet but. it's. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected . so when you want to be president. i want.

to go right to the press this is like the before korean people. interested in the. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter a belter mind you're discussing political correctness. ok well let me go back to you did this to let's think this whole identity politics and virtue is signaling me to movement its head in weening strategy because and looking at the senators that we all got to know so well over the last two weeks first of all they seem to all read the exact same bullet points the way the talking points are dentical all the way through is is this a message that's getting through to the voter as we approach the midterms here is

that a winning strategy in your mind go ahead. no and in fact i should mention a plug myself i have a new column with newsmax and i've written about this now over the last three weeks and i think my last three or four columns have focused on the fact that there is no unified voice in the democratic party there is no leadership and what they do basically is whine about donald trump and their reaction to me saying in writing that has been then you're not a democrat why because i disagree with you because i don't know the party line if i'm really a true liberal a democrat who cares about his country then he wants to see his party do the right thing and i don't see that now we don't deal with any issues and the big democratic mistake and i think the lack of a blue wave is going to be that just because donald trump may be the worst president in history doesn't mean that the other party should win in the midterm

elections based on that what are you going to do. what's your plan what are you going to do for the country what are the what are the policy points and that's not there and they have no actual candidates that i see my god it's an embarrassment especially cory booker prize way too much prize more than joe biden oh i hope i hope he's the nominee although it would be a lot of fun there you know rob i do have a suggestion for you maybe you should be more visible carrying your mouse a little red book and they'll probably get cut you a little bit of slack ok on the left ok daniel well the whole thing is this message has been a provocateur were you you know we're told on the left they don't know diversity is our strength but it seems to me that is diversity at the expense of unity and and i think it's the it's actually a small number of people that are ideologically possessed and are motivating this

and intimidating people and rob just gave an example right there get in line and repeat the party line here that is that is that is the opposite of unity and i don't see much value in diversity if it is just going to be ideological possession go ahead daniel. we see this on campus all the time people talk a lot about diversity being our strength. first of all since my ancestors came from austria hungary i'm not convinced of that general point but give that aside if they're interested in diversity of skin tone of color and so on but definitely not of political views a few people had signs just the other day on our campus supporting brett kavanaugh saying confirm him and none of these were nasty none of these were attacking forward or saying anything other than support the nominee they were attacked by a large crowd and i saw it together very very quickly that came in with shutting them down ripping up signs and so on there are courses i can no longer teach

because those are courses in which i surveyed arguments on both sides of certain political questions i don't think you. do that on campus anymore and increasingly you're under attack for doing that in the larger culture criticize an open immigration policy and all of a sudden you get accused of racism say wait a minute due process is important and we can't tell who's telling the truth here unless we wait for evidence you're accused of being a sexist and a rape apologist well so i see. that this court well thinking very yes of course of course the constitution was written by white slave holders why should the constitution have any kind of value ok i mean you know gavin you know i used to teach at the university of california and even then this was twenty years ago plus . even then it was teaching ideology and not scholarship and that's one of the reasons why i left ok because it wasn't a place to think and have debate because that's the only way you're going to go

this is very high significantly higher than it was five do you think they know what that means. no i think they have no idea what it means in fact when people have come on to campus and ask students so what is socialism they really can't give you any kind of answer and in my courses where i actually talk some about this and come up with definitions of socialism and a variety of other isms you can tell that people haven't thought this through that they're somewhat surprised to think about it and actually come up with a definition most of them i think consider themselves socialist because they think it's important help other people and that charitable impulse is noble but it doesn't translate into a political program or an economic program and so there's a huge gap in there that they haven't thought through you know there's you know can i interrupt for a second yeah because you know you know a lot of politics based on virtue ok and it turned into doubt tallit airiness go ahead gavin. daniel you need to quit your job you know what it's like

a white guy in harlem nobody wants you there. where you got to and you're daniel's god can you tell us. daniel gohl. well that's part of there are places i've got to defend the universally a little there are places where serious scholarship gets done even within the liberal arts philosophy linguistics maybe a few other departments are still pretty serious and largely a political and when you move into the actual sciences if you're doing computer software or physics or business or engineering most of the faculty members are on the left but it has relatively little to do with what they do in the classroom now there are exceptions i know somebody who teaches organic chemistry and spends most of the time ranting about trump and not teaching anybody about organic chemistry i think that's outrageous but there are so there isn't even secret him and they are powerful departments ok well you know rob i know i saw the recently creeping of there too i think that all any all studies programs should just be defunded. the

country ok every single one of them ok so a waste of time i think you heard about this scandal recently about these three scholars that wrote these fake articles on what they were picked up by gender studies and identity studies and all of that you know it's nonsense it's just nonsense ok because what it does is it doesn't teach anybody really anything all it does is make you aware in one form or another ok i don't think it makes you a better person i don't think make society any better one minute left goes to the odd man out on the program rob. well you know this is been an ongoing problem for years if you want to talk about gender studies programs and medical it's things i did an article years ago where i did research on government grants and i came to find that not the worthy people don't get the government grants it's the people know how the know how to write the greg i know all about that you know pays for

things like transferring how you can translate something from swahili into sanskrit and the governor will give you forty thousand dollars i don't know can read that and this this is why we need reform is it ever going to happen i don't know as a result i think instead you have people's anger that has bubbled over and it's given us donald trump it's you know another liberal mistake is they think that just bad people voted for trouble for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction i think i learned that in science class and that's why we have trump and if we don't open our eyes and see that my fellow democrats then we're going to lose in the midterms and he's going to be elected in well in the in the middle of presidential i don't know what i've done to donald trump has it may be canceled left lives inside his head all right that's all the time we have for gentlemen many thanks to my guests a new york and in austin and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. unix time and remember.

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