good to talk to you thank you very much for your time. thank you now first of all let me ask you about the latest political development in your country five months after the national elections the major political factions have finally managed to agree on the three main posts in the country is that a positive development as far as you're concerned. oh yes thank you you know we were afforded for woman issues or for women's rights for equality some of them you would find some of them in these rounds of these elected women because of the leadership of the political parties in iraq they don't believe of equal rights or equality or they don't want they feel that women are very much are in competition with them foreign says that we have seen the last election that some of these women can do that for men been as something been attacked by as smear campaign which has affected them on sexual and on their sexual orientation on sexual you know dignity

it was very this is a problem the mentality is this thin friend said among our politicians this is what we have to work very hard on changing the kid change of a stable. that's women can't participate always say voluntary and actively in the life of our country now you just alluded to the male patriarchy that doesn't want to see women represented in politics and this is a very typical framing in the west but i wonder if it actually applies to iraq because if we take for example the former prime minister nuri al maliki who didn't assign a single woman to his senior cabinet he strikes me as somebody who didn't want to share power with neither women nor ma'am is that a gender issue or perhaps and authoritarian issue it is both of them you can say

about it it is a gender issue they tried to make it a dominant for them this is what we see that the change or the reform in the political political you know a process that should be changed otherwise will not be. very. the future in the country so this is it depends on the political reform political reform it to me is that to get to stable or to to get to trust among you know not only in the community but among the politicians themselves you'll find that there is no trust among the put it to kind of looks we have to do it that's the mission and interest of the people is this a priority for them but it is in actual fact it's not the priority you can see that people an imbecile or they are dying of the pollution of the war but then now on tens of thousands of people have been you know it by this you know pollution they

don't feel know their responsibility so what is the response about for although it's no minister of law and the prime minister nobody of them so they don't shame that's a this is the question the whole the question is this and then the mission interests of the people then live this acute it did then you're no ambitions to do have you no insurance or through no flow of dignity of dignified. conditions of life now let me bring us back to the women's issues because i heard a number of prominent iraqi families for example young or mohammad say die of the war and the all clear patient cost iraqi women and the legal standing there every day freedoms of drowse of movement of one ploy meant would it be fair to say that those who wanted to democratize iraq have actually taken far more from the iraqi women than they gave to them or you know we woman's organizations or

a woman's movement we look all know is that women issue is the key issue for the did development in the country but for our politicians they don't think like that they always think that oh what our issue is a second that is shoe so forth for that so that we have seen the absence of you know. safety for women absence of you know for you say the lack of education for women all of the like for being you know assigned in the i position not only in the political but in the administrations or in the economy field so what do we owe on to find out how women these women portentious for the company development this is an issue which we have in what they are not in such way oh are politicians thinking about it or they are afraid of the earth and i can see now that it's over oh a woman like nadia she got this is it

a woman. this noble prize this is it is wonderful it is an explanation for all iraqi woman that despite the. kind of situation that she has been under have done as she could do to stood up and she told the truth and she could no one cries for peace and you said that it was an inspiration for all iraqi women but i also hope that this would be an inspiration for the whole iraqi people because she far as i know she's the first iraqi in history to receive that nobel prize can i ask you though because one more question because you mentioned before that male politicians are treating women's issues as a secondary issue but when i look at the iraqi politics i get an impression sometimes that they're actually using women's issues as a bargaining chip every time they have a difficult political situation they introduce some legislation that is designed to

appeal to extremely conservative constituencies so it is as if women's issues women's freedoms is even a bargaining tool in in the political game do you think that's the case yes i think so it is something of that we can see from that's we have our personnel a stat low which was issued in one nine hundred fifty nine which was there. organize one of the advancement law in the arab region but they want to change it in the other way they want to change it to open the way for you know a sectarian way of marriages so it's reason if we go to the sharia to this sectarian way so it means that they go off nine years can be amended or this nine years she has to be. said divorce sometimes this is it is included in the draft law that they have been they have been a present it in the parliament in two thousand and sixteen in two thousand and fourteen we are against such laws they will against their our campaign on domestic

violence low and then we have you know the last year we tried they are nothing to do with politics at least three of them were associated with beauty or fashion industry do you take those murders as isolated cases or do you think they're part of a bigger trend you know it is really big or things that we have seen you know they try it is a message not only to kill this woman or you know to put them in death but also it is a message for all iraqi young woman to with a draw voluntary from the public life is not because they are in a beauty salon or their fashion is or more dead but some of them they argue no one died for the humanitarian activities for the benefit of the poor people some one of them she was a human rights defenders she's working insists civil society organizations and so this is it's a message for all iraqi women to with

a drove voluntary from the public life and this woman they have lelie a wonderful zero to standing you know to nations who are relations in this so in this society like the modern one she has in there is to ground more than two million followers let me ask you about her specifically her name was tired. she was a former miss baghdad she as you said had more than two and a half million followers on instagram and i think her murder was the most brazen of all because she was gunned down by two mourners cyclists while she was driving her wide porsche convertible him back that i don't want to sound like a victim blamer i think that it was a huge horrible horrible crime but don't you think that driving porsche convertible in baghdad was almost bound to stir hatred given the level of depression in your country. yet as i say this is because of the

absence or of the weakness very weak and as of this day to save a security. the justice system you can see impunity or in the crimes is very common in the country the judges the justice is not taking you know really deeply is for. accountability of the perpetrators of this a crimes the investigations you can see no more than one week we don't know what is the investigation results and the other so i tell our viewers of him bus or she was she has been killed in devoted long day and she was killed in this state also by a gunman who came and he should tell. driver so this is what is the results of the investigations then no is not to clear from our state security and this is unfortunately because of the absence of rule of law in the country this it's a frightening of course our women some of the business women they give up some of

the media women they give up some of these syrian society activists they give up their action no because they are afraid of the situation you don't know to go in to sit through it or to be at home or to be in the work of place suddenly somebody will appear and short you don't this is what is also we said it is. the responsibility of our security this is it's important one thing that all these victims have in common is that they leave very active socially active lives and actively defied the so-called social norms that. insisted on by the ultra conservatives and i want to ask you specifically about these social norms if it's something that is embedded within the iraqi society or is it something new that people try to impose on your country under the venier of really just piety. i don't i don't think that they would it isn't new in the country there were maybe

they're more dead word is something new but because the girl she was so you know. just to speak about herself in the in the social media where she said i want to live my life as i am as i am of her is not as the other people they want to do when chika suppose they assaulting sexual assault she has got to from religious man or she even she made you know a very simple. commentary about her principle in their lives in very open way she didn't you know attack religious or she didn't attack our house traditions but i think this is just execute against her and this is what has the people to say what's happened not only the teller but the questions of so on what is happening why. yes city and

a few if you are so active and she was a doctor when did it port of the security speaking that she has died because of the over doors of medicine she had to this is it is really not true things because she's a doctor and when they speak about that or has had an ex-husband has killed her it is not true that we have met over in. first occasions and we've got that her family our. tribe and they denounce this and they protest against the statement sent by the police in person or distant when we ask they said still the investigation is going to go on unfortunately in this is slow motion of the word this is given more concern for our women and for the whole of the society now you mentioned that the investigation is going very very slow and it's. in contradiction to what the out now outgoing prime minister our body said because in the beginning he said that the investigation should have should be concluded within the forty eight hours and he

also said that there was some sort of an organized plot behind all of those killings do you think that's all postering on his part or do you think the authorities indeed intended police to you'll find out what happened and put it down to where this is i don't know you know this is the as i say the hour of the state is not functioning it's not functioning as a proficient. corruptions inside these this is very well. this is what's our dilema you know when you lose the security with the state security and you knew was the tribes the protections for you or you use you know other protections for the best in a life this is it is dilema for iraqis and we hope that their political reform should first the first go for it is to get you know

a functioning professional security has to give you know insurance for iraqis to live in peace to live you know in safety to practice their normal life in a very proper now it's impossible to have a conversation about women's rights in iraq without mentioning isis or die or be very very. form of sexual violence that they practice the kind of violence that i'm horrified to say that but that makes rape look like normal because these people practice things that you wouldn't even think about. in a normal society how do you explain that phenomenon that so many men in the middle east commit those horrible atrocities against women and children why is it so widespread we would understand it if it was one psychopath but that's phenomenon seems to be so broad yes iraqi society has been under a violent environment for many decades and when does come you know as

a terrorist you know going is asian and so on it was the topic the top of the when we have seen the sexual violence against women separate and when you after i always say it's not a military or security apparatus to eliminate diversion but the. the culture and the practices of guys is in the in the what you call it it is separate all over the country is not in the name of the but the this violent extremism is even among the young people among you know many how you say armed forces armed groups in the country outside of the. does there are the tribal they are very heavy militarized there are even corruptions this is all it's this conditions very you say purchase all the young people to use

their weapons and to use violence and then in cloying meant in their country they have drugs also is now is a problem is a very problematic among young people in this solves all these issues it is really making suppressing the veyron and suppressing the violence. because as i said the absence of the state apparatus this is will this is a playing war the role of you know in supporting violence everywhere and using violence against women against children and you can see it there from many cases of the domestic violence earlier this year you address the u.n. security council open debate on the protection of civilians in armed conflict and you are specifically talked about the women and children who isis fighters or dies fighters leave behind and who carry both the sexual and the criminal stigma as being associated with terrorist what happened to those people after their

supposedly husbands are killed or apprehend that. they are many of them they are isolated in a in the comes in salaheddine or in or in they know this is which we see that it is what you call it a timing bomb if they still going just in isolations you know. what very little said if this is for them trying to be you know always not. abusing them even sexual abuse against some of these women going go on and rehab expose this you know cases many of these cases and we say that even though about the children if we if we want to dry the terrorism terrorism the extremism in the country we have to to have really take this this ferment is if the family if the member of the family accused of any action criminal action should be

put into accountability but if they don't have any that's because of a member of their family has been involved in does they're not responsible for third they should really take. this state should take care of that very much to make for them any application. the program we need to speak of the right of these six animism and then as we have to care of these five thousands of people not to one or two thousands of people i'm seven is off i says these families some of them their own thirty innocent what do you know send children you know that is. why we can't we think them like something we have to get to know this is a humanitarian issue matter matter i absolutely agree with you thank you very much for being with us today and thank you for the very important work that you're doing ok thank you very much thank you i invite our viewers to keep this conversation

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