and founder of the association madame ad words good to talk to you thank you very much for your time welcome dear thank you now first of all let me ask you about the latest political development in your country five months after the national elections the major political factions have finally managed to agree on the three main posts in the country is that a positive development as far as you're concerned. oh yes thank you you know we were waiting for this election. we have seen the results of this elections which as you know get you know eighty three women being elected this is according to our courts not to list them twenty five percent you know eighty three the top ten of women in parliament from the whole. three hundred twenty nine seats so this is one of the things that a new course of the parliamentarian life will be started but this is it needs

a wire meant. the political. depends on the coalitions of the blocs. you know the women or so we are looking for women participation more than before on the political issues on the change in the country and especially on the political reform now you've been a strong advocate for a wider women's participation you contributed a lot to ensuring those parliamentary quotas that you mentioned and yet i got the impression that during those latest deliberations over who is going to be iraq's next prime minister women's weiss's didn't register or at least weren't as loud as somebody would have expected was that the case. you know this is work one of our a problem that's we always say that women been not assigned in their high position in such an impediment or in the government so this is what we are advocating for

the it's that's women should be elected as you know deputy in the of the president here of the parliament or the dead or in the prime minister or the president of the republic and you can see that woman has nominated to have self in the competition with the prime or the president of the country and she'd go to the third you know one of from many from thirty there are ambitious women in our countries taking into consideration that women in iraq has been the first one to be assigned as minister when istead in nineteen fifty nine. most of these women been really always say they contributed a lot in the political life some of them they were in the central committee of the party or in the leadership in many leadership of the parties in iraq but now we have seen that with the ups's with the very weakness of this state has discretion here that the absence of this security system. we can us of the justice

system the questions of the tribes you know what are called the tribes and norms and traditions has been you know over. the rule of law. the status of women becoming more and down not in the advance one that we have really worked for that let me ask you specifically about one of those challenges because i know you're very proud about this problem entry quotas but i also heard people say that they do not represent a genuine political change there are people who complain that those many of those seats in parliament go to essentially figure has women from influential families rather than january and real grassroots political activists do you agree with that . yes because not only women even the men you know been selected through their ethnicity or their you know part is loyalty or because they are

a sectarian in sectarian way so women defaulted for woman issues or for women's rights for equality some of them you will find some of them in these rounds of these elected women because of the leadership of the political parties in iraq they don't believe of course rights or equality or they don't want they feel that women are very much are in competition with them foreign says that we have seen the last election that some of these women can do that for men being as something been attacked by as smear campaign which has affected them on sexual and on their sexual orientation on sexual you know dignity it was very this is a problem the mentality is this thin friend said among our politicians this is what we have to work very hard on changing the kid change of

a stable. that's women can participate always say voluntary and actively in the life of our country now you just alluded to the male patriarchy that doesn't want to see women represented in politics and this is a very typical framing in the west but i wonder if it actually applies to iraq because if we take for example the former prime minister nuri al maliki who didn't assign a single woman to his senior cabinet he strikes me as somebody who didn't want to share power with neither women nor ma'am is that a gender issue or perhaps and authoritarian issue it is both of them you can say about it it is a gender issue they tried to make it a dominant for them. this is what we see that the change or the reform in the political politic and you know

a process that should be changed otherwise will not be. a very good future in the country so this is it depends on the political reform political reform it to me is that to get a stable or to to get to trust among you know not only in the community but among the politicians themselves you'll find that there is no trust among the put it to kind of looks we have to do it that's the mission and interest of the people is this a priority for them but it is in actual fact is not the priority you can see that people in buses are they are dying of the pollution of the war but then now on tens of thousands of people have been you know it by this you know pollution they don't feel know their responsibility so what is the response about for although it's no minister of law and the prime minister nobody of them so they don't shame that's a this is the question the whole of question is this and then the national interest of the people there live this acute it did then you're no ambitions to have you

know insurance of rule of law of dignity of dignified. conditions of life now let me bring us back to the women's issues because i heard a number of prominent iraqi families for example young or mohammad say die of the war and the all clear patient cost iraqi women and the legal standing there every day freedoms of drowse of movement of employment would it be fair to say that those who wanted to democratize iraq have actually taken far more from the iraqi women than they gave to them or you know we woman's organizations or woman's movement we look all know is that women issue is the key issue for the did development in the. please but for our politicians they don't think like that they always things that a one hour in show is a second that is shoo so forth for that so that we have seen that the absence of

fear no safety for women absence of you know for you say the lack of education for women all of the like for being you know assigned in the i position not only in the political but in the administrations or in the economy field so what do we owe it to find out how women these women potential for the company development this is an issue which we have in what they are not in such way oh are politicians thinking about it or they are afraid of the and i can see now that it's oh a woman like. she got this is it a woman going to this no win a prize this is it is wonderful it is an explanation for all iraqi woman that despite the. kind of situation that she has been under have done as she could do to

stood up and she told the truth and she could no one cries for peace and you said that it was an inspiration for all iraqi women but i also hope that this would be an inspiration for the whole iraqi people because she i guess far as i know she's the first iraqi in history to receive that nobel prize can i ask you though because one more question because you mentioned before the male politicians are treating women's issues as a secondary issue but when i look at the iraqi politics i get an impression sometimes that they're actually using women's issues as a bargaining chip every time they have a difficult political situation they introduce some legislation that is designed to appeal to extremely conservative constituencies so it is as if women's issues women's freedoms is easier bargaining. in the political game do you think that's the case yes i think so it is something of that we can shoot from that's we have

our personnel to stack use low which was issued in one nine hundred fifty nine which is a recognized one of the advancement law in the arab region but they want to change it in the other way they want to change it to open the way for you know sectarian where of marriages so it's reason if we go to the shanty out to the sectarian ways so it means that they go off nine years can be amended or this nine years she has to be you know are you say divorce sometimes this is it is included in the draft law that they have been they have been a present it in the parliament in two thousand and sixteen and in two thousand and fourteen we are against such laws they were against their our campaign on domestic violence low and then we have you know the last year we tried very hard to pass this law but they are prevent to put it for voting and this is what we are it is

very our door that we are doing for you know getting any law for women benefit or for women you know the progress and when you speak about it they will see it this is i want to try been our tribal longs and they will says shut it down and i think this is not like that because of their interest they want to be a dominance in that you can see that we have no. polygamy in iraq was very limited to doing you know seventy's and eighty's but after that it becomes because of the absence of law and because of the opening the door for marriage of outside the court that has is being you know encouraged well madam ad where we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. so

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is on often scary dramatic developments only. exists i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. unfortunately the united nations security council in its approach to yemen is going to turn this into the spaceship in boise for every month or two months and then the present to. the airplanes i mean that i mean it's a percentage of the way and she was kept in the state also by

a gunman who came and he shook her head and added that i've so this is what is the results of the investigations then now is not to clear from all of the state security but out of. the corruption is inside a thought this is very well. this is what so of the law you know when your laws that the security with the state security and you knew was the tribes the protections for you already you know other protections for the specimen a life this is it is did he move for iraqis and we hope that their political reform should first to first go for it is to get to know all functioning as a profession now security has to give you know insurance for your r.k. to live in peace to live you know in safety and to practice they have normal life in a very proper to now it's impossible to have

a conversation about women's rights in iraq without mentioning isis or die in the very very extreme form of. actual violence that they practice the kind of violence i'm horrified to say that but that makes rape look like normal because these people practice things that you wouldn't even think about. in a normal society how do you explain that phenomenon that so many men in the middle east commit those horrible atrocities against women and children why is it so widespread we would understand it if it was one psychopath but that's phenomenon seems to be so broad yes iraqi society has been under a violent environment for many decades and when does come you know as a terrorist you know we're going to zation and so on it was the topic the top of the when we have seen the sexual violence against women separate and when you after

i always say it's not a military or security apparatus to eliminate diversion but the. the culture and the practices of guys is in the in the what you call it it is separate all over the country is not in the name of the but the this violent extremism is even among young people among you know many how you say armed forces armed groups in the country outside of the. does there are the tribal they are very heavy militarized there are even corruptions this is all it's this conditions. you say purchase on the young people to use their weapons and to use violence and then in cloying men in their country they have drugs also is now is a problem is a very problematic among young people in this solves all of these issues it is

really making suppressing the veyron and suppressing the violence because as. the absence of the state apparatus this is will this is a playing war the role of you know in supporting violence everywhere and using violence against women against children and you can see it there from many cases of the domestic violence earlier this year you address the u.n. security council open debate on the protection of civilians in armed conflict and you are specifically talked about the women and children who isis fighters or dies fighters leave behind and who carry both the sexual and the criminal stigma as being associated with terrorist what happens to those people after their supposedly husbands are killed or apprehend that. they are many of them they are isolated in a in the comes in salaheddin or in or in they know

this is which we see that it is what you call it a timing bomb if they still going just in isolations you know. very little said if this is for them trying to be you know all the is not. abusing them even sexual abuse against some of these women going go on and really have exposed this you know cases many of these cases and we said even though about the children if we if we want to dry the terrorism terrorism and the extremism in the country we have today have really this this ferment is if the family if the member of the family accused of any action criminal action should be put into accountability but if they don't have any that's because of a member of their family has been involved in does they're not responsible for third they should really take. this state should take care of that very much to

make for them any application program. we need to speak of that are you of the six animism and then as we have to care of these five there are thousands of people look to one or two thousands of people seven is off i says these families some of them there are thirty innocent what do you know send children you know that is. why we can't we take them like we have to get you know this is a humanitarian issue madam matter i absolutely agree with you thank you very much for being with us today i'm thank you for the very important work that you're doing ok thank you very much thank you i invite our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here on worlds apart. i.

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