what was being done in their name shows to investigate the cia's torture program and its connection to their home state and now unlike their own senator republican richard burr the chairman of the senate intelligence committee who still to this day refuses to fully release his own committing committee's findings on torture the north carolina citizens commission have released their in an eighty two page report titled torture flights north carolina's role in the cia rendition and torture program the report finds that local aeronautical company aero contractors transported at least forty nine individuals were forcibly seized without any due process in a matter that itself amounted to torture and cruel inhuman or degrading treatment preparation for rendition involved physical and sometimes even sexual assault drug and sensory deprivation rendition flights were experience of experiences of prolonged pain dread and terror when the officials we count on for justice continue to fail us i think it's time we start fighting back like these citizens did for

a little truth and accountability it's time we start watching the hawks. to. treat. this like. as if. you. like you know that i got. the. welcome aboard what's the relevance of that joining us today to discuss the beliefs of the people going up against the cia is the former cia analyst and author of third john kerry thank you for joining us happy to be here thanks for having john is this is interesting story the torture program clearly you know despite the hard . of whistleblowers like yourself and others you know is still leaving

a poison in our country and to this day in the case of these contract did you know planes that were being used in north carolina it's sparked a movement how common do you think these situations like in north carolina where they you know they can track forty nine individuals were disappeared by the u.s. government you know coming up you know with north carolina while the torture program was in use how common is this it's very unusual you know let me tell you something about this group too this is a really amazing group i've been associated with them since two thousand and fifteen and it started off as a group of saying you know a stroke of a pen could could change all this do you think we will see more of the torture program and how can the independent community driven activism make a difference in what and where the cia is allowed to do you know its dirty business when it's being dirty. that's tough you know and part of the reason why it's so tough is that so few of us have legal standing to challenge these things so what we

really need to do is in addition to this grassroots activism we need to identify friendly members of congress from both parties the likes of of rand paul for example or just in a mash or a half a dozen of other people walter jones of north carolina this is actually in his district and so if we can join together with lawmakers who are willing to put their foot down or give a speech on the floor of the senate or the floor of the house of representatives exposing this kind of thing and reminding americans that this is just simply illegal then maybe we can get some action there you know are there other folks who left the cia who you know look bad like your great example of someone who said you know there was something that i saw that i blew the whistle on and i paid the price for bottle timidly i came out in the good i came out as someone who can hold their head up by other other people like that who could help these groups who absolutely had or are out there they're out of the know about there's a a there's. a former colleague of mine by the name of glenn karl glenn was the head

of the cia's interrogation program so he was in as deeply as anybody at the cia could be in and he had an epiphany and he said this is wrong what am i doing and he resigned from the cia wrote a book about the terrible mistakes that he had made by being associated with this torture program and what happened the cia's office of public affairs contacted every major news outlet and said don't you dare review this book and so something like five people read the book it was a term book one of the best memoirs i've ever read but people don't know about it well if people like glenn can work with people like the members of the north carolina commission against torture we might really be able to put something together here so. let me ask you this you know we talk a lot when you talk to people about being when you're anti torture which i guess is a saying that you specify we usually go back to what i get back

a lot is this idea of well they're bad guys right why do i care what happens but the effect of torture doesn't just affect the person torture it effects everyone including the officer of the people involved does this see i have any sort of program or set up to mitigate the damage of torturing people that cia officers could be privy to like you're going to get p.t.s.d. did they do anything to help you're really on today that is. the question and the answer is no the job of the cia psychiatrist is not to make you well the job of a cia psychiatrist is to make you well. you asked to sign explaining to this idea of the u.s. dollar reserve currency empire they built over a post world war two era where everyone gets the debts of america and pays homage to america china. russia africa good name and they're all saying now we want

markets all of the comics up lots more to listen we want to go for it we want to trade directly bilaterally we don't want to be part of the globalization that. this week the u.s. food and drug administration announced that the vaccine to protect against h.p.v.

the human papillomavirus would now be approved for use in women and men over the age of twenty five citing evidence that the vaccine could be helpful in preventing cancer in older individuals the centers for disease control and prevention estimates that over seventy nine million americans in their late teens and early twenties are already infected with h.p.v. of virus thought to be responsible for over ninety percent of cervical cancers so what could be wrong with vaccinating hundreds of millions of people against such a horrible virus why should we question the success and popularity of this so-called wonder a vaccine well for one because the u.s. p.v. vaccine market is worth over two billion dollars and expected to grow to three and a half billion by two thousand and twenty five for two because the u.s. government gets millions of royalties every year from pharmaceutical giant smirk and she ask a fee for helping create the vaccine and for three because of the book the h.p.v. vaccine on trial. seeking justice for

a generation betrayed by mary holland came back rosenberg and i again florio in it the authors reveal how greed may be putting children around the world at risk joining us from new york is the main author of the h.p.v. vaccine on trial mary holland director of the graduate laurean program at the n.y.u. school of law thank you so much for joining us today mary thank you for having me i know mary kernel of the way first you yourself have spoken about the attacks against those who question vaccine safety i want to ask you what is it a bio vaccine safety that makes discussing it such a contentious you know same topic that everyone kind of loses their mind over. i don't know what makes this so impossible except that you know the consensus is so strong within governments and the pharmaceutical industry and the medical community and parents who had to vaccinate their children according to mandate so and then there's other factors you know there's liability protection for the pharmaceutical

industry it's a multi-billion dollar industry that's grown wildly over the last forty years so there are a lot of there are a lot of factors that make this a very difficult subject for many different constituencies to address. one of the things that stuck out to me about your book was information regarding the clinical trials of the vaccine the h.p.v. the gardasil which is now but as i explained has now been expanded to use for older americans and is being used in other countries as well as they reason. about questionable methods used for that what stood out in those because that is what we take as being what say right is looking at the studies we tried it we see we know what happened so what stood out to you about what methods and things were used in the clinical trial that seemed to greet us or or concerned you. well so in the in part one of the book we focus. in the clinical trials because that's the basis of

everything and we were very fortunate to meet two young women in denmark who were clinical trial subjects when they were young women and one received the vaccine and one later learned that she had received the so-called placebo but both of them have struggled with serious debilitating injuries for the twelve years since they received more than twelve years since they received the vaccine they were lied to they were told that the one who got the placebo got say lean nobody got salient in the clinical trials and they were also told that the vaccine had already been safety tested it hadn't been safety tested when we took a deep dive in the clinical trials what we learned is that there were no. assailing placebos they only use what we called both the fall flu. they contained an active ingredient the adjective and it's used in the vaccine so bottom line they never tested the vaccines they tested a part of the vaccines the the virus like particles they didn't test the whole

thing the other thing that's pretty scandalous is this is being sold as an anti cancer vaccine and it's absolutely true that human papilloma viral infections if persistent over many years can lead to cervical cancer cervical cancer is prevented globally with pap smears with testing and so is selling this is an anti cancer vaccine is really false marketing right it was never proven to prevent cancer and even now it's never been proven to prevent cancer it prevents viral infections that could lead to cancer but they can be prevented through other means . you know we know there's gaps in the research of the h.p.v. vaccine so what is missing from the research that also jumps out to you the focus should be asking questions about what concerns you so there's two other things that really jump out one is. that the up until now the primary target population is

still going forward the target population are pretty teenagers and in the clinical trials the pre teenagers were a tiny fraction of the people who are in the clinical trials pre teenagers are different than young adults and it was only studied and you know i under a couple of thousand pre-teen agers and it appears to us from the f.d.a. and merck information regarding gardasil that the vaccine they tried on the preteens is not the same as what was then put on the market as gardasil for you know gardasil now it's on the market in the u.s. is gardasil nine the other thing that jumps out there wasn't tested properly in the target population now that is being expanded to adults we have very serious concerns that people who happen to have h.p.v. viral infections at the time of vaccination or if they've already cleared an infection the clinical trial data shows they may be at increased risk of getting

a cervical viral infection that's a big problem in other words the people who got the vaccine if they had an active infection they were at higher risk of getting lesions that might lead to cancer and there's no screening that's recommended for people who get this vaccine so that's a huge problem i mean we really the bottom line is this wasn't properly tested they need to go back to the drawing board if they want to keep something like this on the market the injuries from this vaccine are real there are thousands of reported permanent debilitating injuries and deaths from the vaccines in our book we have photos that are just heart rending of healthy teenagers who die or who are permanently injured from the vaccine we think the real you know serious injury rates about one in five hundred that's a ridiculously high number for something that's being pushed on children around the world that is actually a really incredibly high number. your books talks quite

a bit about the financial rewards governments and corporations get from this vaccine how does the metal community protect this two billion dollar and warrior machine what are they doing the kind of insulate themselves and keep the money train coming. well all of the major medical institutions in the world the government medical institutions the food and drug administration the center for disease control the european medicines agency the world health organization they're all a hundred plus percent behind this vaccine and what's important in this country that most people don't know is once the centers for disease control recommends federally recommend a vaccine then the end of story was the. liability protection they don't have any litigation risk so people can go if they're injured to a regular court room and sue so that's a huge incentive then when governments actually push these vaccines there's mandates kids can't go to school without him that's already true in three states

you know they don't have marketing expenses and then you know they work very closely with legislators so they have people saying ah this is life saving this is preserving the health so it's it's it's very entangled. interesting one of the things i think is a major issue is that in developing nations for those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum vaccines are sort of unavoidable the only people who get to like say i'm not going to take them or keep their children away from people who can afford to do so what is it about vaccines like this especially for something like like h.p.v. this idea that we're going to save your kid from cancer what is it about the vaccine and it's marketing to to young people and to parents that make it unique to other as with other kinds of accidents you know flu vaccines or whatever seem very readily tarion where this is what cancer. yeah what makes this so different than

you know d.p.t. and m.m.r. and hepatitis b. that they're given to infants or very young children these are being given to preteen agers and now to adults that makes it very different it's much easier to see the injuries right in infants if a kid can't talk or a kid isn't walking probably the gastrointestinal problems they didn't have it before well it's very hard to pinpoint that to the vaccine one of the things that makes this so much more contentious globally and it is very contentious globally is that the injuries are much more visible. where i want to ask you what what's the right advice for someone concerned about this in the concern about their children who you know what they say look i understand the need for vaccinations i understand the need for that but at the same time i also don't want to put my child at risk in any way what what what what should that person do. with this vaccine where i'm not a doctor none of our there are doctors we believe though deeply that ethical

medicine rests on informed consent people need to know the information that's out there so this is our attempt to give parents that individual's true informed consent about this vaccine fortunately tyrell this vaccine is dramatically different than others there is a safe effective way to prevent cervical cancer and anal cancer and other ones associated with h.p.v. if you go for regular screening for women who go for regular cervical screening there is no risk of cervical cancer there it'll be detected early it'll be taken out if there's a problem they'll find it and you know so regular screening or now there's more modern age peavy d.n.a. testing they solve the problem people need to know there's a viable alternative to this vaccine this is not like some of the other ones where arguably you know the alternative is you risk the kid getting the illness that's not the case here. interesting stuff from fascinating book thank you so much mary ellen. lead author and the book h.p.v.

vaccine on trial seeking justice for a generation betrayed thank you so much for your book of are joining us today thank you. they say that around age thirty stuff on your body just stays broke and it looks like the hubble space telescope is suffering from my case of the third hubble has not a few bumps and bruises along the way but it's the long the way but it's the breakdown of yet another gyroscope that scientists concern and nasa put a man telescope in safe mode until repairs could be done when launched hubble continued six gyroscopes each using the concept of angular movement to make sure that the telescope is pointed in the correct direction at all times but hubble needs at least reworking gyroscopes to function and the failure of another one this weekend leaves it was only two that are operational in the event the gyroscope can't be fixed the operation of hubble will be limited but will remain an operation at least until its replacement the james webb space telescope launches around

twenty twenty one keep holding on hubble. space floor review do so in the thirty's i appeal to payne hubble really your pain i know it's tough but i can imagine the space is easy to operate and not a very interesting was a really good show today we have talked about a lot of really good stuff people in north carolina fighting over their rights and finding out a little more information on things like the ins and how you can prevent that there's options for people and that they don't have to just sort of integration information is the key to finding truth i mean lazing how that works all right everybody that is our show for you today remember everyone in this world we're not .