well i'm not familiar with that article i've never read that article so i can't really speak much to an article i haven't read the sense of it i gave you a sense of it sure yeah i mean i don't yeah i don't really know like what that is supposed to get at that oh you have to benefit from the patriarchy or this or that or you have to. yeah i mean i again i'd have to read the full article to have a way to speak on it but. but yeah i mean as far as tribalism goes i mean i do think we're in an age of alter tribalism on all sides of the aisle on the establishment side and then over on the right as well and then and then some on the left to sell and as a result it seems like we're kind of in a we're kind of stuck in neutral as a country ok kathy i don't think so i don't think the word neutral is approved i think it's deadlock and it's getting worse and worse kathy you want to jump in

there as a whole point of the program go ahead. i did because i'm. bad article yesterday in every single since it was inflammatory and racist i talk about it intolerant of the tolerant quote unquote left but you know if i recall correctly he even went on to baghdad. that is trying to equate i'm am was awfully accused who rape is not a quibble and a woman who is actually being raped or wanting to lose that alleging that she's been raped well kind of universities that was. created that is not being falsely accused raping sometimes not just as someone who has been raped or someone who is alleged to have been raped now it is just the detrimental to my young man are being a few be accused of rape. as it would be but oh yeah and this liberal progressive

sloppy thinking i know science friday well they tried the same and they let that you're you know it's ok to be possibly a q because we're making up. women who have. had congress. and culture and math and that's the crazy ness of the rat ok ok well cathy you brought up the word craziness here let me go to daniel here i mean you've written about this here i mean what it counts for you know. after the process after the nomination process was complete then we started a completely different asymmetrical process that is not founded in law and not even in common sense but this simply rage this is what we're seeing is rage and it's not it's mindless rage i would say go ahead daniel. well first of all i agree with kathy except for one point what she's describing as really is truly crazy but it's

not left wing crazy blue wave i do think that trump is going to be enough to pick up a little on the democratic side but as far as framing a message and framing policy positions and framing woodies in actual opposition the democratic establishment has not done that they largely have not done that. so when you don't really have a real opposition in our politics which i would say at the establishment level we really don't have. you know you just kind of have. the nonstop echoes fear of the media that we have yeah it down well daniel is absolutely right and ron and cathy here i mean the democratic party isn't a radical party but it is embracing these radicals their tactics and their rhetoric ok because i think they're afraid of it as well ok i think kathy brought up

mccarthyism amy this is what's going on there's very few people willing to stand up to what is really mob of politics by fringe groups ok go in there you'll be going to yell i'm going to daniel curse go ahead yes it's a go ahead yes i mean but it's that's not what he said it's radical it's important to emphasize it's radical in the sense of the radical right. the democrats are essentially adopting right wing neo mccarthy i policy yes and which they are tossing out the presumption of. innocence overboard this is very dangerous they are a center right party which is moving further to the right so we have two right wing parties and the country welcome to the right the same way brazil is ok and so this is this is completely outrageous trying to level with us ok hang on cathy hang on the skype there is a little dodgy. they're a bit kathy i think with what daniel is saying is that they both parties are

adopting the same kind of tactics i think that is very very true ok i am not and i think oh absolutely absolutely i mean. when the democrats are present and bill is simply trying to do his job and i am very in on it and are all meaning is resist. now will not be mad at you and like you mean like the next fastrack fifteen of his judges so they could go on vacation soon or that's the type of resistance you're referring to but what about i what about when and what about when they get on your. ass for that's nothing to do with the presidency back to the job or contract you know rather not how lately you said i don't. know i don't hang on guys don't talk over each other ron you get the last twenty seconds before the break go. oh yeah i didn't know the democratic you have to really we're mad at the idea that the democrats are really resisting trump i

think is nothing short of absolutely comical they're assisting and so many ways where you aren't even an hour a. ok that's not going to come to the hard cases every day are going to be politics i want to jump in here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on chaotic politics today with our thing. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter us of there was one

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welcome back to crossfire we're all things are considered i'm peter reminder we're discussing chaotic politics. ok let me go back to daniel here let me get another quote for the program here. came out on twitter here and one of the writers for the not so funny late show with stephen colbert a woman named ariel duma wrote whatever happens i'm just glad we ruined brett kavanaugh life react to that daniel i mean is that juvenile and destructive

mindless and really unhelpful because it's really mean spirited i think that's what i see when i see a good part of the left go ahead daniel. well first of all i wouldn't agree this woman is on the left but i certainly agree that it's mindless mean spirited vindictive etc but the point is that you know is that it's replacing it has replaced any kind of substantial discussion as to whether to what really else this country american government is and break down not because the donald trump or because of brett kavanaugh it's breaking down because ancient constitutional machinery is breaking down americans think they live in a democracy they really live in a minority dictatorship where the ancient constitution a centrally empowers minorities the electoral college the senate the house of representatives to lord it over the great majority of americans who want a more sane society this is the really important point and ron's point where the

resistance is actually absolutely correct the only resistance we see out there is that the democrats are mobilizing the cia and f.b.i. and order to attack trump from the right by stirring up war fever against russia it's utterly not the struct of and that's only going to have negative consequences and then go back to ron in los angeles you know one of the reasons why i like having you on ron because you're what we're one of the people that are progressive that always talks policy and that's where i think conversations get very very interesting you can disagree but you can you can hash it out here this is what this atmosphere right now i don't see any talk of policy in a serious way i can't think because many on the left don't have any policies don't have any real strong we are ideas on how to move forward because trump is just blinds their. blinds their thought processes ok and it's

a lot simpler and easier just to say it's cavanagh is a bad person all white men are part of the patriarchy i mean that gets really stimulates a lot of people because it sounds cool but it's vacuous it really means nothing and it's as a form what i would call of hate speech go ahead ron. well i mean yeah you haven't seen much policy toxins twenty sixteen i mean i mean you you really haven't and democrats really haven't kind of taken a taken an autopsy of the whole situation i'm no fan of cavanagh i think he was an awful choice a i wish she wouldn't have been confirmed at all but you know you didn't see much policy same as you know everything that's been going on in the past which ideas and i think it's because democrats don't really have it and when i say democrat talking about at the establishment level there are some diamonds in the rough there are some people that are you know proposing some great ideas but those

people are in the minority in the party and they're always expected to bend the knee to the establishment instead of the establishment coming to them and saying hey how can we keep our jobs because people aren't happy with us what can we do to keep our jobs it's not working that way it's working the other way around it's hey you have some good progressive ideas we don't want to do that and bend the knee to us or you're out of here it's completely backwards nancy pelosi not too long ago said if you know if the democrats get a lot of power in the midterms they wouldn't still pay go meaning that every time you wanted to do a policy you would have to pay for it with some other cut that basically kneecaps the idea of any progressive policies like single payer health care you know like a jobs program living wages anything like that it kind of neat caps that entire idea and that's what ninety two percent of the base wants you know kathy

one of the things that so disturbing here is that we see the democrats and others on the left that essentially play are playing the race card and the sex card. and anyone that disagrees with them because it is ron paul is. then there are not too many people are talking about policy if you disagree you're racist here is enough for when you're a sexist that is not dialogue but is not a way to do come to terms with or the chaos it's all around us why do you think the democrats continue to play that card card yes yes and let me just say up all of that that you mention and then brought the democratic party right here at the last us and listening to dan your mom and i will is no. bill is no i've somehow you that twilight will you start talking about. the constitution let it be clear that america does not exist apart from the constitution even our founder

john adams that the constitution is made for religious and moral people in holy an adequate or any other kind of people meaning people who understand the difference between right and wrong and most of the things that we're seeing that transpire in our country today where we're not talking about our sleeves we're not talking about the well i'm sorry and many in the republican party are talking about policy and money talk about with china and the rest of the world best policy when we talk about the nap that i'm doing now that policy when we talk about how or why to interact with iran and with other desiree like north korea. so the more i talk about securing our border. so the right and represented by president outsmart is talking about policy all the time but then we have it you may not want to call it radical but there is a significant radical alabama we have senator homegrown democrat ron why telling

people that it's ok to get up in the face is that you are an elected official or basically anyone who doesn't agree with you and you resist as many words says to this background and that radical. and well i don't i don't know if it's radical but i'm so i just i'm certain that it's not productive daniel at all here where what's really quite fascinating to me as the midterms approach is that it seems to me the democrats are doing almost everything in their power to to push people away from it because there is this perception that the party is radical or won't stand up to radicals i mean all you have to do is watch the the airwaves i mean you could watch c.n.n. amisom b c and fox news see the same pictures and people that have come to very different conclusions that's one of the interesting thing times that we live in here you could see the same things and radically different conclusions go ahead

daniel. listen i love to bash the democrats as much as anybody i just hate the democrats i loathe and despise them but. we can't let the republicans off scot free the republicans are a minority party that have used their constitutional advantages to grab control of all the major institutions in washington and now the supreme court they are using racial politics racial politics to to solidify their power. trump was elected by a minority of the people he still grab power via the. electoral college the senate as i said fifty four percent of the of the country lives in ten states which are overwhelmingly democratic but there are outvoted four to one by the easy percent of lives in the other forty states thanks to this ridiculous senate concept of equal state representation and the republicans have gerrymandered the house to

the point where they now have an eleven percent advantage over the democrats a built in eleven percent advantage so these this minority party has now just captured control of the fourth branch of the fourth major institution the supreme court so don't tell me the democrats are the one. soley guilty of using this kind of minority politics because there are the republicans are playing the game even better but i do not a i do not agree with that asked nat west no answer i mean it's very elegant read but it's not when we talk about the supreme war one of them where . you have a not far to the supreme court is that now democrats primarily do not pass large sweeping legislation and are going down with the exception of her mama here right you are not here it is not with then your repertoire of democrats the ask large sweeping legislation to fundamentally change our nation instead they

sidetracked the people they go straight to activist judges now that we have cannot be on the supreme court who is a kind of just makes it decidedly conservative meaning that the supreme court will now interpret the constitution and not rewrite the constitution and i do not believe that the constitution is a leap a living breathing document to be open and to be. at every generation. ok to run it it seems to me that you know both parties like to use the constitution as a weapon. as as and it was intended here i mean now we hear the democrats if they get control of the house which is really kind of nonsensical then they're going to try to pack the court were they couldn't even do that but i mean it's as if it seems to me there's a final mis understanding of what the system should do and it's being being cherry picked for whatever partisan agenda you want to push go ahead ron. yeah you know

first of all i think daniel and i kind of see eye to eye on some of the stuff that's going on contemporarily and i'm not used to anybody agreeing with me on this show some a little i'm a little weirded out i don't know where i fit in now. but yeah i think it's because you know the whole purpose of the supreme court is to you know hold up the law and to you know give those interpretations when necessary and it seems that as of recent and maybe it's always been that way it's just you know we're seeing a much bigger light on it because of what's going on contemporarily but it but it seems more. of the i. was not and i have. yet another.

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