the naming by the spelling cat organization of an attempted assassin using our team information unless well yes i understand the culture using r.t. as one of their intelligence sources so well done for working for them but no i think it's under that convention is that is it your understanding the reason why britain technically appears to be violating that coverage and is to protect them because russia would endanger their lot i think it comes down to actually their individual wishes and from what i understand i don't know the riddle and i haven't talked to them. will someone will have been talking to them but they will be able to make their own choice and search cripple himself as part of his resettlement will almost certainly be given a british passports will be a british citizen. of. a russian citizen it's her choice as to who she accepts help from and she did stand in front of television and say that she was aware of the offers that have been made but didn't want to fall away in this as a journalist and i mean i should know this because during the iraq war obviously it was our intelligence services i just can't get this information i have to rely on

people like you telling me that they know what you call you know and that's the way of the iraq war zone was brought up and here's where there's a misunderstanding as to what was a politically politically driven publicly released document and what was a piece of intelligence i saw what became the dodgy dossier i saw the dossier as it left the defense intelligence stuff in the u.k. and it was a comprehensive well thought through balanced piece of intelligence work but whenever it then within for a briefing on the classified material taken out and by known intelligence professionals and when it was briefing notes for politicians to make decisions on a lot of the cubby outs which were the warnings that were in there this was going to inquire you don't see this particular case when it comes to russia as necessarily a political i don't think there is at all because if you look at the analysis that's been done on the facts of the presented. facts from copies of documents from

everything else in the house is it's in there it's a very clear piece of script there's nothing in there that i would suggest is politically driven but it was russia is accused of hacking the o.p.c. w now which russia itself as a signatory to. the fund through through through different areas and. we're doing investigations into syria but the o.p.c. to be at the time with investigations into some pills that have been found or balls with this cripples so you can't tie it into scruples or syria you just know both investigations were happening at the same time the dutch for all refer to them as the dog for that was a relatively straightforward low level operation with the risk of compromise being absolutely minimal so. they were caught in a car park. with electronic equipment in the back of the car lying to sniff into the networks and potentially

a tie didn't they just the mother tried to but if you can do it remotely the you do it but nothing that they did compromise the operational or on however someone else did somewhere else so it was an intelligence operation that pointed the dutch security services into those four people to go into that car park and arrest them in that car time place to someone's target them in their amounts when the individuals were found with the taxi receipt from g.r.u. headquarters which is a basic basic basic mistake but they were probably technicians not trained intelligence operators that you didn't need them to be if indeed that is there's a scale of the g.a.o. you them or presumably britain has a very little to worry about a lot of the hacking operations obviously look at the origination of the ip addresses you can buy a v.p.n. . system online via google for hardly anything at six months free i'm going to have it at i can appear to come from any country whatsoever some people are doing this illegally do you think the intelligence community here in britain. is aware of it

completely aware about but v.p.n. has are good for the keeping yourself anonymous from the average organizational wiser delegate who is a relation of all you demand names because they use up to access websites inside russia which wouldn't be allowed to be accessed as proof that a hacking attack originates in russia as opposed to any other country the dots or you or the dots were never. ending on the ip address which is important it isn't the only thing that's used people go in and analyze the script and the way the script is put together and a lot of the people are writing the viruses and stuff that are out there have got their own signatures in the way they do things there put characters in a certain order they'll put the put lines in a certain order and the intelligence services of different countries the russians have the services will be doing this as well as the north koreans as well as the americans as well as the brits and allies in script to put together and then time those back to other individuals or groups of individuals that are working so it's

not just ip address there's an awful lot more analysis goes on with the pins there are methods of things being tracked further back through the v.p.n. remember the tor network it's a lot of people use an onion ring network was invented by the american intelligence services you're not telling me that there's not a backdoor somewhere in there where they can actually probably true a lot of people do tell me actually there isn't a backdrop but let's now go and i mean now we have jeremy corbin's deputy leader tom watson writing for him on the inquiry into russian involvement in our bricks at referendum back by hillary clinton it appears i know you tweeted tom watson to say what about jeremy corbyn and how he was elected this all the midst a time of people saying well no trump was elected because of michigan corbin was elected because of twenty zero eight breck's it happened because of unhappiness with the policy do you expect that there will be an inquiry and do you think that russia won by. no i don't think russia one and i don't think that they'll be an

inquiry but we're in again no we're if you look at warfare war first changing and i'd say quote. a written fantastic book on this guy called j.j. patrick and his book is called alternative war and alternative war is all about the use of perception so when we're dealing with you as a human being i'm hiking or certain levels i'm a can you think in a slightly different way by providing information in different ways and targeting it and targeting that information to meet your requirements shankar is the ultimate hacker will shakespear is but you know this is where the whole can be done little thing came in with facebook because people's individual facebook profiles and this is were that were taken and used to target individuals know that nations are looking at it and some nations are much better using information and data misinformation than other nations russia's got a word for a doctrine. which is masking and assoon as a statement comes out that they don't like other statements will come out from

different russian organizations saying no it wasn't us gov it must have been this it must been this must been this will immediately after surgery script all got attacked the messaging that came out of the russian embassy was it must have been something of a skit from porton down the misinformation the mosque or off group that was going we don't know the russians still saying they're not even going to talk about the latest revelations rebelling but for being ripped thank you. after the break bone world mental health day we ask if britain's children are being failed by to raise amaze government and from the news the british military drones on about the fans british prime minister describes a perfect parallel universe it's called tory great britain bill the civil coming up in part two of going underground.

join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm showbusiness i'll see that standard going on in favor of china on this occasion because the west will probably love this story because it makes china look a little bit china that's remember a little bit a little bit even today into a whole conference on november the sixth i'm sorry but i'm not going busy but the thing about this is they do like the fact that a little bit of might be sticking to china remember china's could be the biggest economy in the world and that's pretty much on stoppable now so little bit of doubt going to china this way we all sit tight in any other circumstance this would be the human rights story of the week well we didn't go to the british army intelligence officer for being grim just now about this next story that you've chosen i should have perhaps because the murdoch times appears to say we are safe because of these things to take us through this all the time suppose britain takes on russia's military might with fleets of thousand pound drones are amazing on the

correction is not quite a thousand pounds a bit cheaper than not so good for families last christmas that's right t.v. could have called the script to drones in the event of a russian invasion instead of sending great big tanks and everything else sending a few of those into this war cames exercise but sending lots of drones starts going to keep the bear at bay afshan look at the bad day. well it just shows how much the british army has cut back it seems that this time compared to the last time it's shrunk by seventy five percent in the previous similar exercises there was sixty six challenger two tanks this time it's eighteen and because it's all cyber warfare as we were saying before we don't need any tank we don't need any soldiers we don't need any people his the weasel phrase moscow has repeatedly stated it would never attack any nato allies so all of this potentially for naught meanwhile this tory newspaper well known for supporting that just as the daily mail always puts corbin

articles on the front page the guardian the guardian and this is a beautiful story we live in a utopia option as labor voters should look afresh at the conservatives to reason mate what a surprise she would say that but the picture she paints the n.h.s. is in great hands the fact that we've got great investment in education to give everyone a chance all of this is described in this utopian beautiful paradise type way by to reason make the. welsh advance of all this and i quote theresa may millions of people who have supported labor all their lives are appalled by what has happened to a once great party under the leadership of gerry coburn i didn't know she thought labor was ever a once great party that's the scoop to raise a maze of socialist vote she must have been to one point corbin's expenditure as a proportion of g.d.p. is less than mrs thatcher it's hardly radical for the brits and you look at the facts cancer waiting times are at the worst ever level in england one in ten school employees brings extra food in for the pupils who are so disadvantaged and it says

treatments fell by eighty four thousand the first seven months of twenty eighteen compared to the previous year she's living in one world where living in another post called great britain powell university thinks more people will work on zero contracts and in the time in our history those great stories about the negatives that i read out there and some people are taking new initiatives that. less thoughtful people politicians are good we don't even think about take us through this amazing new initiative creativity is free option as michael gove proves the new european reports go from oxford to kensi and proposal to allow brits to sift through their rubbish along with this nothing wrong what is the if you like walking around on rubbish tips it's literally to can stand the idea comes from our mutual friend apparently a book which govt loves this is gove michael gove who is michael. a former very senior horace johnson in the back religious yeah but very senior member of british parliament still a brick city

a grandee and he says that the public go into rubbish tips and make something new out of the old you never go into a rubbish tip to seek an old environmentally unfriendly cathode rage television set or washing machine or time with funnily enough not very often but this could be the future but it could be we should all be doing this that the middle class go that's what this shouldn't just be the preserve of the poor or this is something that everyone should be allowed to do go house not surprisingly been slammed for this way or half used to paint and that's a good thing to i mean they'll allow us to search landfill sites really ject appliances i mean this is environmentally friendly going to follow you for the next few weeks to see if you take on gove's idea half of your will be one color another half will be the other let's all be free because it's coming from landfill are saying that it's rubbish limburger pick fake. well as you get charities political parties and perhaps even royals draw attention to the arguable crisis and you gain mental health services for world mental health day today will

be even mentioned the impact of years of austerity cuts cuts brought on by bailing out the bankers in the city of london ten years ago this week joining me now is paula peters she's an activist for disabled people against cuts and chair of the broadly in croydon you know community she deepak and the unite community will be highlighting the experiences of universal credit claimants outside of bromley job center. and so these london for world mental health day today paula welcome to going on the grounds of today world mental health day tourism a year ago personally said millions are to benefit from the tackling of the injustice of mental illness by our government how do you see it at the back while they live in a parallel universe to us mimo toast how do they explain that children with severe injury mental health distress are if you have you only get access to children's adolescent mental health services if you're actively suicide or i mean suicidal

ideation in the last five years we've seen in two hundred fifty thousand children tonight access to mental health services and support that they desperately need we're seeing cuts to specialist mental health support in schools and we see him with eight years of austerity mental health distress is actually rising the threat of suicide would obviously tell any of us to contact our local health charities the samaritans and so on but how important is charity to government policy because i understand the the big swing from the british government is that the taxpayers' money is going to go into the citizens' advice bureau movement you know we saw citizens advice one a fifty one million pound contract from the dea to be paid work and pensions to be a good thing surely well they get money from the government for funding about when you see since advice in some of their surgeries use workfare which is forced unpaid

work inside their offices they are very much clued in with the government as are most national charities they're in a catch twenty two situation is interim government from his advice yet yours but i mean is the point there that they are giving money to explain the policy which will basically mean that the claimant will be told it says advise you're in trouble they're basically. those are things we can build off of yet but when you're saying like i say when you say insistence advice they are using forced paid work for claimants. go to work experience says in surprise if you don't take that work that you will be sanctioned again again ramping up your mental distress a lot of these charities they're multi million pound organizations. when you see their chief executive offices and i have a six figure salaries to three hundred thousand here where is the money go and when people turn night these charities what we've done in the last six months when we

found estimates by the secretary of state for the d.w.p. was on the advisory board to samaritans where people in serious crisis contact samaritans for support when she was found out she was on the advisory board deepak along with many other grassroots campaigns run a campaign to remove her from that advisory board that is a kick in the teeth to millions of people in mental distress she's ramping up mental distress with the heinous policies that she and the conservative government are implementing today here the diplomacy work invention secretary gave quite a barnstorming speech at the conference raised quite a few eyebrows right across the sector. joy she was she would deny that she was doing what you're saying any hope that the united nations investigation into what she's doing or d.w.p. for these alleged atrocities that people like deep or girl urging. any hope of the

united nations can do some first of all we refute wholeheartedly. what estimate vice said last week that the cuts to. payments for person independence payments employment support allowance jobseeker's allowance are real news and we have eight years of evidence to back up news yeah well it's not fake news they are real stories millions of people affected by these policies can say you know i've been plunged further into poverty and destitution as a result of the he and his policies and regard in the united nations investigation there's been a year is of written and oral evidence to back up millions of crime and. has been plunged further into mental distress further into isolation as

a result of d.w.p. policy and it should be noted that government where the first state in the world to be formally investigated under the united nations convention or the rights of people or disabilities in found guilty of grave in systemic human rights violations then in twenty seventeen the committee ruled that the cuts that disabled people and people in mental distress were experiencing murder him and catastrophe are on our lives and the un rapporteur for poverty is about to visit the u.k. here in november and they're coming here because this overwhelming evidence to show that disabled people people in mental distress are plunged further into poverty by the cuts this government alright making it's not fake news it's real news and we need to continue the fight to get the chief out there of what this government is going to bow to work in pensions a new universal credit is a big element of this they say they committed to ensuring that every child gets the very best chances in life. relation to that they've told us household incomes have

never been higher fewer in absolute poverty and three hundred thousand children the tories alone or with the liberals have cut thirty billion if the un special rapporteur isn't let into britain because of course the special rapporteur was not let into the so-called detention camps immigration outrage against what would you like to tell that roberts. who was the un have heard from families who've lost loved ones as a result of. mental distress. because of the constant reassessments they've met with great. terrorists coming to the u.k. if we could say anything to the rapids. you know here the millions of people who've been affected. have been affected to cuts to mental health services who have been left are. affright left in you know marginalized the fringes of

society this shouldn't be happening in twenty first century britain it shouldn't be happening anywhere in the world poverty's across. all of you just thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday with martha gellhorn prize for journalism twenty seventeen finalists for this a b. levy was just go back to it live in syria as you go back to islam is. finally defeat and till then you can judge by social media will be back on saturday twenty eight years of the day that syrian forces liberated lebanon. descending into tribalism and cultural trench warfare a highly contentious spread cavanagh supreme court nomination process has ignited conscience or anger on both sides of the aisle interestingly and ironically the point where there is wide agreement is the recognition the status quo. sadly with

no way out. you know world a big part of the new lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. and your own pal. i'm not that. type of time telling paul enough. well i. am lying. in film plan there is

a trade in young girls souls into an underground six in the street sometimes but the people they trust the most. other. thing was not cool it's good to know that. this is going to one of the. things you look. for. the lead lines must

today is a rowdy prince between turkey and saudi arabia over a dissident journey. disappearance the u.s. gets caught up in the diplomatic crossfire regarding its response are you assuming that taking time to put out a statement means that the state department has not been doing anything coming up to the few the world chemical weapons watchdog gathers to discuss funding of a new power that the o.p.c. been given that will allow it to determine guilty parties russia slams the move as an illegitimate initiative. france used to belong.