those are normally kept in a fridge freezer or whatever have to be used in the future if they're wanted every year lots and lots of embryos are discarded because people have i.v.'s i'm actually don't want to have ten children they want to have one or two children it's absolutely standard if you are against discarding embryos then you are against i.v.'s and you welcome to campaign on that front person i think it's a very fantastic process and it's brilliant that it's available to couples and it's couples have a strong feeling about what the woman does or doesn't want to be president and would not want what she wants to go on and it is inevitable that they're going to fall off when you're choosing what chamber you want you're going to analyze which is male which is female you're making a choice and this is what i'm saying i don't accept that because in choosing my eyes i'm not going to i am going to indiana that already on many occasions these issues come to light because some conditions are passed through the mail rather than the female and and families that have had to live in diseases go down the ivy

if route in order to to see how they're going to solve that problem but just in a on a purely basic choice position you cannot just randomly choose one without discriminating against the other. that's a roundup of the news for now i'll back at the top of the hour with more but first on r.t. international it's crosstalk. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you have.

a low in welcome to cross talk for all things are considered i'm peter all of l. descending into tribalism and cultural trench warfare the highly contentious brett kavanaugh supreme court nomination process has ignited passions and anger on both sides of the aisle interestingly and ironically the point where there is wide agreement is the recognition the status quo is deeply flawed and sadly with no way out. cross talking america's chaotic politics i'm joined by my guest daniel is our in new york he's an author and

a freelance journalist who writes frequently about the middle east eastern europe and the us constitution in philadelphia we have kathleen barnett she is a veteran and political commentator and in los angeles we have ron look own he is a comedian frequent guest on the jimmy door show and the young turks as well as host of his own streaming show get your news on with wrong all right cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it well ron you know i'm going to go to you first because i always go to the person that got up early is for this program to be in los angeles and you look great i think you got a lot of coffee and i came out and came across an. article hear white women come and get your people they will defend their privilege to the death it was about by a woman named alexis. and she writes white women benefit from patriarchy by trading in their whiteness to monopolize resources for mutual gain white women are expected to support the patriarchy by marrying within their racial group i could go on and on this is gobbledygook but it's in the new york times this sounds like

progressive racism or progressive tribalism take your pick what do you think ron. well i'm not familiar with that article i've never read that article so i can't really speak much to an article i haven't read the sense of it i gave you a sense of it sure yeah i mean i don't yeah i don't really know like what that is supposed to get at that oh you have to benefit from the patriarchy or this or that or you have to. yeah i mean i again i'd have to read the full article to have a way to speak on it but. but yeah i mean as far as tribalism goes i mean i do think we're in an age of alter tribalism on all sides of the aisle on the establishment side and then over on the right as well and then and then some on the left to sell and as a result it seems like we're kind of in

a we're kind of stuck in neutral as a country ok kathy i don't think so i don't think the word neutral is approved i think it's deadlock and it's getting worse and worse kathy you want to jump in there as a whole point of the program go ahead. i did because i did read the bad article yesterday in every single since it was inflammatory and racist talk about it intolerant of the tolerant quote unquote left but you know if i recall correctly he even went on to baghdad. that trying to equate am was awfully accused rape is not a quibble and a woman who has actually been raped or wanting to lose that alleging that she's been raped well kind of universities that was. created that is not being falsely accused being sometimes not of as someone who has been raped or someone who

is alleged to have been raped now it is just the detrimental to my young man are being a huge he accused of rape. as it would be but oh yeah and a letter this liberal progressive sloppy thinking i know science friday well if i did the same if they let that you're you know it's ok to be blocking you because we're making up. women who have. had congress. and culture and math and that's the crazy ness of the rat ok ok well cathy you brought up the word craziness here let me go to daniel here i mean you've written about this here i mean what accounts for you know. after the process after the nomination process was complete then we started a completely different asymmetrical process that is not founded in law and not even in common sense but this simply rage this is what we're seeing is rage and it's not

it's mindless rage i would say go ahead daniel. well first of all i agree with kathy except for one point what she's describing is really is truly crazy but it's not left wing craziness is an example of how the democrats and liberals and feminists are rushing to the right they are a gauge and i have long race of the republicans to see who can get to the right fastest real leftists believe in a poll very strongly with the principles of due process and the assumption of innocence and i agree totally that a false accusation is very bad and the whether involves rape or or anything else doesn't matter at all it's very important to to withhold judgement or all the facts are in so that nobody is falsely accused now what we're seeing in america we're seeing an epic breakdown in politics america has a very old system of government is actually the oldest nation on the face of the earth its government dates back to seven hundred eighty seven one catherine the

great was still alive for example there was still a holy roman empire there was still a papal state in italy and there was still a monarchy in france that form of government is with us still today largely to a great degree unchanged and it is in an epic breakdown and that's a breaks down the country is going mad and all kinds of crazy currents are being unleashed and that includes this kind of weird strange tribalism and bizarre logic which says a false accusation is ok if it involves rape that's just completely bonkers but that's where american politics are heading ok randy cathy real quick you want to jump in there go ahead. i just want to hear you. and i think we really have to get our minds around the democratic party. i'm not hearing.

whether someone if they are trying to make us back to the days of harvey is somewhere a whisper and i would literally destroy your own life or are some nice day trying to take us back to the dark days of the jim crow laws i grew up in the very big south and i remember this story for example in a young black boy who was brutally beaten drug and dragged behind. because a white woman made a last allegation he was trying to talk to her or in alabama the not. always blabber weighs eighty twenty five of them will receive a death sentence because two white women last week accused. me of that and this is and this is where the democratic party the radical democratic party the rat lab will try to take us back to its way around value with the presumption of innocence

no lie or lie could be utterly let me and let me go to los angeles ron how do you know but are you ready to die the democratic party but peter ok daniel real quick a little good around here democratic party is not a radical left party sorry well that's really the point ron you know i don't have to go to rowan ragout up really early for this scared her up and run a lot has been said go ahead in riyadh. oh yeah i kind of echo yeah the democratic party is not a radical left party they're not even a left party in my opinion i would describe them as a center right party. and i think that's kind of the when i say we're in neutral you know the best kind of what i'm referring to you know going forward when we're looking towards the midterms. you know people are saying there's going to be some blue wave i do think that trump fatigue is going to be enough to pick up

a little on the democratic side but as far as framing a man. in framing policy positions and framing voids in actual opposition the democratic establishment has not done that they largely have not done that. so this kind of reasonings would be much more i'll fold to make people understand of the dynamics there and why people locked on consequences of price is that of post nobody wants. the way to the united states is dangerous for most of the illegal immigrants. to the most. simple they want to. put as many of them look for refuge in the so called sentries sides of the draft used to share information about undocumented migrants with federal authorities. today and.

that. they can watch as they all choose to stay in the country with donald trump in the white house. a few outputs of up to the hope of the. welcome back to crossfire were all things considered i'm peter we're discussing chaotic politics.

ok let me go back to dan. you know here let me get another quote for the program here. came out on twitter here and one of the writers for the not so funny late show with stephen colbert a woman named ariel duma wrote whatever happens i'm just glad we ruined brett kavanaugh life react to that daniel i mean is that juvenile and destructive mindless and really unhelpful because it's really mean spirited i think that's what i see when i see a good part of the left go ahead daniel. well first of all i wouldn't agree this woman is on the left but i certainly agree that it's mindless mean spirited vindictive etc but the point is that you know is that it's replacing it has replaced any kind of substantial discussion as to why is to what really else this country american government isn't break down not because the donald trump or

because of brett kavanaugh it's breaking down because ancient constitutional machinery is breaking down americans think they live in a democracy they really live in a minority dictatorship with the ancient constitution centrally empowers minorities the electoral college the senate the house of representatives to lord it over the great majority of americans who want a more sane society this is the really important point and ron's point about the resistance is actually absolutely correct the only resistance we see out there is that the democrats are mobilizing the cia and f.b.i. and order to attack trump from the right by stirring up war fever against russia it's utterly not the struct of and that's only going to have negative consequences and then go back to ron in los angeles you know one of the reasons why i like having you on ron because you're what we're one of the people that are progressive that always talks policy and that's where i think conversations get very very

interesting you can disagree but you can you can hash it out here this is what this atmosphere right now i don't see any talk of policy in a serious way i can't think because many on the left don't have any policies don't have any real strong we are ideas on how to move forward because trump is just blinds their. blinds their thought processes ok and it's a lot simpler and easier just to say it's cavanagh is a bad person all white men are part of the patriarchy i mean that gets really stimulates a lot of people because it sounds cool but it's vacuous it really means nothing and it's as a form what i would call of hate speech go ahead ron. well i mean yeah you haven't seen much policy toxins twenty sixteen i mean i mean you you really haven't and democrats really haven't kind of taken a taken an autopsy of the whole situation i'm no fan of cavanagh i think he was an

awful choice a i wish she wouldn't have been confirmed at all but you know you didn't see much policy same as you know everything that's been going on in the past which ideas and i think it's because democrats don't really have it and when i say democrat talking about at the establishment level there are some diamonds in the rough there are some people that are you know proposing some great ideas but those people are in the minority in the party and they're always expected to bend the knee to the establishment instead of the establishment coming to them and saying hey how can we keep our jobs because people aren't happy with us what can we do to keep our jobs it's not working that way it's working the other way around it's hey you have some good progressive ideas we don't want to do that and bend the knee to us or you're outta here it's completely backwards nancy pelosi not too long ago said if you know if the democrats get

a lot of power in the midterms they wouldn't still pay go meaning that every time you wanted to do a policy you would have to pay for it with some other cut that basically kneecaps the idea of any progressive policies like single payer health care you know like a jobs program living wages or anything like that it kind of kneecaps that entire idea and that's what ninety two percent of the base wants you know kathy one of the things that so disturbing here is that we see the democrats and others on the left that essentially play are playing the race card and the sex card. and anyone that disagrees with them because it is ron points out the end there. not too many people are talking about policy if you disagree you're racist here is enough for when you're a sexist that is not dialogue that is not a way to do come to terms with or the chaos that is all around us why do you think

the democrats continue to play that card card yet and let me just say up all of that that you mention and then brought by the democratic party i mean let me also say and listening to dan your mom bill is now. on a bill is now i have some hope that twilight will you start talking about. the constitution let it be clear that america does not exist apart from the constitution even our founder john adams that the constitution is made for religious and moral people in holy an adequate or any other kind of evil meaning people understand the difference between right and wrong and most of the things that we are seeing that transpire in our country today where we're not talking about our sleeves we're not talking about the well i'm sorry god and many and the republican party are talking about policy and money talk about with china and the rest of the world when we talk about the now and the only now that policy when we

talk about howard will have to interact with iran and with other guests like north korea. so the more i talk about securing our border. so the right and represented by president outsmart is talking about policy all the time but then we have it you may not want to call it radical but there is a significant radical alabama we have senator homegrown no democrat ron why telling people that it's ok but they couldn't even do that but i mean it's as if it seems to me there's a funnel misunderstanding of what the system should do and it's being being cherry picked for whatever partisan agenda you want to push go ahead ron. yeah well you know.