that means a dem or nato is acting in order to establish a new meter he bases in sentence to euro or more of the now the cities are looking forward the new system of the ballistics misses and so on the more this has no saying let's look at it as far as i understand from the russian point of view there is a big difference between containment as an effort to contain to limit the spread of nato not only in the russian neighborhood but around the world and pure defense and trying to keep nader abate russia sees the main difference between those two actions but from what you're saying it looks like you believe russia is actually trying to deal with a low level of concrete way were to scorn tain meant containment is now creamy and don't bust on one side so to say it's unmarked at that because in the other side this is a very concrete step in action in order to stop to war and the others to do to step

forward. this is a very concrete and those are military action and political action of course now we were discussing a lot about of the further potential step of nato in europe we should be the one of the former yugoslav republic of macedonia the last year montenegro joined and we had big troubles in montenegro huge discussion even the news of concerning the media you can no reach and the potential attempt to the life for me to do can only because he was in favor to join nato what does it mean today to join nato to join nato means for some countries this is a new surance policy but on the other side in the be part of nato means to have some benefits to an econo in benefits financial benefits also the fact that the county can rent some bases to the states that would pay for this the western policy during the cold war was based on the notion of ideological in a competitive military with the. soviet union there was

a strong ideological factor there do you think russia ideologically also sees itself at odds with the west no i think that there is a different approach to life that is different culture. what is russia nowadays is russia. a democracy as we consider any other western european country probably not to in russia that is a special democracy the school like this very often my opinion is that. the western european countries in nato counters they tended to emphasize the danger to russia represents in order to create an enemy that would use the five new further actions toward that that kind of me if somebody knows or russia. are we sure that

a russia would like to invade the stone your lot it would be to india i personally don't think so are we sure that russia wanted to include to careen me if there was not a coupe in craning two thousand and fourteen that was allowed even by european counters and the european union this is the problem the problem is that sometimes we also have interference from the. western counties in the internal affairs of the former soviet republics and this is because the strategy of nato and of the western counties is to grow to include more count losing their group in order to have a more probably economic economic profit and benefits you mentioned there the crisis in ukraine i think we both will agree that it was precipitated by this very tenuous relationship between russia on one hand. nato on

the air on another hand. both sides still blame one another for what happened but do you think internally at least has there been any revaluation of what happened in ukraine why it happened and what are the potential conflict this is what we try. we try to discuss because you know your opinion what is very interesting is what provoked the crisis will be mainly there was a movement in a crane there was a movement to the beginning of the new millennium it was the orange revolution a movement the. leading the count to two words of the west. but then there was a one year who called visual selective the game of. words or that was a new position of the majority of the koreans but then i saw news that the european union. had a wrong behavior it would be nice an international going to zeeshan this should be

a neutral international games while it is hard to be neutral when you. fear your neighbor but. one interesting thing you said was the. european union was on that path for many years the european union it wasn't the path of an lodgment but just last march the european commission issued their white paper in which it described five possible scenarios for its future and none of them mentioned either the integration of ukraine or the e.u. enlargement in general do you think that has crystallized over the last four years or do you think even before the my down in bounds that was more or less understood then the european officials who were very active during the night on process of protest in encouraging that probably european sentiment was it were essentially misleading the ukrainians and the onus but they don't the evidence of this above the learn is to to study on the diplomatic papers when who would have thought. i

think that the. strongest senior g very often between the european union and nato. you need to. see the role of the prominent role of the united states of america and the united states they have the cup of billet to to make pressure on the other members of nato in order to go in in that in that direction and when they talk about dupion union i thought about the kind of a propaganda that european union deed in the crane through the high representative for reforming policy which was lady catherine ashton when she went to maidan square with the european flag to promote a dupion union but that was that in many opinion a wrong behavior because european union should say to any candidate members we do

not close the door so that if the counter is respect to the parade it was this but we will not make insurance in the internal affairs of the county in order to promote european union and to seduce the counter towards italy has specially when if you have a new intentional following up on that and actually accepting the country into the european union ukraine is now facing presidential elections and the political tensions in that country are pretty strong there are five declared candidates more than a dozen of possible candidates the incumbent president has a somewhat low rating if there is a political crisis another political crisis in ukraine say without in two thousand and nineteen dating the european union would be just as eager to interfere in and take sides. his you know to these that is it big competition in the field of communication. how do you communicate how do you make

interference you have a lot of chances to do that i think the dupion union should be a bit slow down its. presence in this framework and should leave the county to decide so democracy also means that the county should be free to take the best possible solution but didn't turn eleven there shouldn't be a lot of interference from outside but very often we do have the you know where well that some ukrainian politicians for example would want the european union to interfere actively to you know essentially endorse their political candidates less one i said i've got to revoke the system designed for people like. the. different people who are here for different reasons we all seek job we also

have. people in philadelphia on the ballot two paychecks away from home let's. welcome back to all the parties to find a polite a professor at tree yes university in italy professor to light up speaking more broadly about transatlantic errors i think nothing tass friendship friendships more effectively than bickering about money and president transoms to be very unequivocal about europe having to pay more to in that nato budget do you think he's going to get what he wants from europe i'm not sure. because of the economic

crisis and take for instance the example of my country italy italy spends less than two percent of the g.d.p. for the defense. president who was asking that very clearly and it's absolutely understandable because. goodies should be the principle of bargain sharing and of course we do not have the same financial cup ability than other states are the most important kountry is the most important g.d.p. of the world but there is a percentage so in generally think you should at least attain two percent of your g.d.p. that's the case now we are facing a huge crisis in italy they're discussing in these days the new financial law. moreover the new forces that are in the government they probably is the the to deliver some resources to the poor people that we call the lady to the chief that

the nuns and they. try to find the resources in order to maintain what they declare during the campaign because this is accordance course but. because mathematica and very often figures are figures and is not easy to find it is compared to the available resources now speaking about mathematics i learned recently to my own surprise that. italy's real per capita g.d.p. is now lord and the euro while the euro zone experiment began in two thousand in one thousand nine hundred eight even greece has actually registered some growth but italy hasn't while this supposedly populous politician say that your hasn't delivered for italy don't they actually have a point that's why they want the last elections yes they have a point the people the general the people they feel to be who are concerning the

chase power and but the problem is that in the last years we were affected by a huge world economic financial crisis and we had also to to put that in with compare isn't we do the european crisis that we had after two thousand and five when the european constitution was rejected then we had the huge prizes india little zone no we don't really we don't really have a lot of resources. to deal to deliver to the defense of the to the military is as we may say and maybe often they tally and sadoon in the period of the cold war they were thinking that there is no need to invest a lot of money in defense because in any case we would be protected by the united states and by nato but this is exactly what the americans now do reject and say you cannot continue to survive like this and they have

a point or now sometimes the current italian government is actually compare it to the trumpet ministration in terms of at least f one point three and i heard some european politicians are european. to express the same sentiment that you know we should just wave them out as we hope to wait outrank do you think that is a sustainable approach do you think that kind of those kind of political force this . time curry and a more permanent be honest i'm not a politician and i don't sue poor through this government or in order to go in there just an historian story just as a state will see to see things from in the point of view even do were the popular in the sometimes is a wrong word in my opinion we have a new political movements in europe we have to respect from the point of view is no to the correct to just to define does movement as a property is that which means balkan is very often means extremist to know because

of this movement to have success because they represent to do we look of the population to prove to us in front of some through problems that we have we we have next year elections in the european free more we will see which would be the result of this so called the populist movement indeed will be in parliament and then we will we will concede that indicate on of the problems that the europeans have nowadays as you mentioned some real problems. and i think the two main factors that may have influenced the telly in their electorate are immigration and the economy and on both of which decision making was mostly done. in other european capitals rather than rome much of that was done in brussels some of that was done in berlin do you think the the change within the taliban politics is

dramatic enough to encourage some change in the decision making on the european level with regard to both immigration and the management of on i mean this is partly true the problem for room is to obtain to get a spec to buy the olders the problem of immigration was another interesting indicator because the room was left very often alone or to manage a disposal and instead of having the necessary support of from the or the european partners so when i was mentioning before with these the european speedy european speed to me is also a coma. in europe if we have to get there if we decided to be together then we should ensure dissolute that india should be the same principle of burden sharing that we were mentioning in nato context so but i'm sure it means that if we have a problem of immigration in c.c.d. in lump it in southern italy or in greece even denmark even the street then even the filo maybe even poland even poland they should cooperate to this and not just

say this is another word program because this is very far from our borders it depends on those. of the skills of the politicians you know now we have a new generation of politicians not everybody is convinced about the fact that they are very well prepared to face the challenge maybe yes maybe no we will see can i ask specifically on our own italy spross specter of exiting the e.u. because later this month the european commission may take an unprecedented decision of rejecting italy's national budget. if the government does not improve its deficit figures and it's an interesting conundrum i think for the european commission because on the one hand and doesn't want to say the you know about example for others but on the other hand if it defies the talim government it may actually increase the prospect of down taking bets leading the country out of the euro zone. what do you think would be

a last damaging both for the e.u. and for him telling a very good question first first point that out not from you but from the and exactly. ok that doesn't mean that the country would leave the european union even though that mechanism of separating that to has not been determined in any case i think that it's up almost impossible do you believe will be the overall sword what is possible is to have. a new conflict between do a peon union in the italian government on the decision of the government with the concerning the financial forecast and in the financial budget. the new government must tain the promises that the had we devoted to us. they know they are extremely squeezed between. do need to respect of the utopian part of meters and didn't need to to

improve the situation of the county and population as a whole will doesn't mean to improve the situation on the italian population really often means to create a new opportunities for citizen leaving also when he says in which requires mining activity for us that. yes i think that it will be a commission meet may make a pressure on rome on this they are doing debt. what is not acceptable from the principal point of view is that it will be an union should see what the government should do or not do well there is another european country that is facing not the same but how it's similar about principles i'm talking about poland or which is. in a pretty frayed relationship with european commission and the european union as a whole how far. do you think both war brussels i willing to take that dispute over

principles weatherhead this is this is part of the mocha c. i mean some things we have different opinions are we must respect each other what is that then juggles is to say now you are not allowed to be part of the opinion anymore if you don't share the same principle this is of course it is a fundamental aspect but you have to understand how do they interpreted this in the local level so there should be those a bit of flexibility and utopian you know maybe not too much for exhibit but a bit of flexibility in some things we have different cultures in brussels we have heard the north koreans are which is quite a region and the sound in part of europe culture which is more flexible and there is a polish with korea somewhere in the middle east those i know the polish are leaving me in a really interesting moment because they also have their own culture just consider the ball and the walls are for many years is socially scone but also it was

probably the only socially scone who had a very deep christian catholic feeling of relief and this mixed is very strange because it could be cosi there is a paradox isn't in quince now it comes out and they want to strain to do all the specific to polish identity in the radio show to to fight against dupion union and to send messages i sometimes hear the poll say that they brussels elites do not really practice what they preach they say it's about principles but they themselves not always live up to those principles and i think that's very similar to how russians framed their disagreements with europe before that your cranium crisis which makes me wonder if you in the european union will have to redefine how it sees itself and how it defines its prints. falls in the

face of both this external tensions and this internal defines that we see it from poland and to some extent from italy yes european news now in the in the very interesting stage in the sense that the goober knows so little p. and you know and becomes more and more difficult because the more european news and large unself the more we have more and more member is more and more and more difficult to find say see no jean said the european union bank said that would be a big defeat of the up in any case starting to have come to that that leaving do of the no duels on the european union that could represent enough spect they could be followed by other counties in the future if they're not happy about the policy of that opinion so for the next elections next year of the it will be an pon them and the vote is of the peon you neal and they should do recall seriously we can see there they are approach to the international relations inside of european countries

and which could be part of the flexibility that they can have to meet in order to avoid the explosion of the european well professor felt we have to leave it there really appreciate your being with us today and thank you very much for your insights thank you do you encourage our ears to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to hear again same place same time here i don't want to part. led. to.

this is crude oil. so they need to actually physically pulled it out of the ground you would have well well. there's a lot of money with the oil and with that comes. a lot of a lot of people from all over the country. if you don't make a hundred thousand dollars a year. as a minimum there's an issue. here in india. they were told sixty dollars a day it's hard work for the workers not easy work and so they want to relieve their stress of how do they relieve their stress these men move back out like these men that comfort these many. people have been murdered up here people been raped

there are massive drug issues up here you have a boom you have everything else that comes along with money. you cannot operate as united nations this is not just wouldn't but you n.d.p. world health organization and in fact other international organizations like the international committee of the red cross you cannot work in a place like gaza with pragmatic cooperation with the locals or to switch on hamas in this case here on or has been for most of the last few years. in the in the. total.

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