hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle take tyranny you too can be disappeared in broad daylight also the fate of a saudi journalist is testing washington's relations with riyadh is the crown prince's rule in doubt and much much more on this edition of crossfire. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow and he is a professor at the higher school of economics and author of the decay of western civilization and the resurgence of russia we also have alex christopher oh he's the director and writer for the duran dot com and we have dimitri bob and he is a political analyst with sputnik international all right german crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated. the

purge his com long expected what do you think of the extent of it is this the beginning because we had alex jones was the was the tipping point now the role model doing this was a trial balloon alex jones himself said it's that they're going to come after everybody once they're done with me and they wipe them off the internet map and now they've come after at the media they went after the freethought project it's important to point out these are not just conservative sites these are also progressive sites and it's up to three weeks before the midterms so there's no way i would say because you brought that up because one could make the argument that facebook is injecting itself into the political process here because they're saying they're required to protect the political process from these quote unquote fringes but they are the ones that are meddling it's also important to point out that it's not just facebook twitter also suspended the account so there is obvious collusion between the two. companies so i mean what you have here is facebook in my opinion

has put the final nail in their coffin we can look at that now as a big company but believe me in a few years facebook we're grette this disorder many millennia olds are leaving in droves here but it's significant for you because it seems to me that there's an enormous amount of lucian going on here and it's the mainstream media that is cheering this along because they want their monopoly back they want to be able to push their competitors to the side because their ratings or way way down their business model is failing this is a big favor paper to the establishment differently and i think that's how it's developed as well and i think alex was right to point out that this was largely something that they will regret because when this purge of all alternative voices began in issue with so that said this tech companies are now established themselves as this new minister of truth they essentially came to so people could express

themselves share and you know this without any government control so this huge power which was. drifting towards the individual and at the same time you saw the state coming in as well who wanted to harness this so you see this within the say in china obviously it's also how did some formidable efforts in terms of controlling the internet and i think though in the center you see the tech corporations really having this huge power and coming essentially with their own agenda i would miss it of the grid with. their in the center because they are they are politically very left or if you look at the executives of google the interesting thing is that these these platforms want to determine what the center is exactly ok that's what i think is really very interesting here and what it will do when a people will go elsewhere all right and the interesting thing for me is that there's always been this talk and. turning them into

a utility regulating it but i think these powers using the misery in the center they want to harness it for themselves that's why you don't hear talk of a breakthrough anti-monopoly talk because they want to capture it for themselves well when they use this what they use it to kind of calm people down ok that's this is the mainstream this is the center we have been living with it for so many years everything's fine but there are sensory and not only crime support out there senator in some some of the side called libertarians on facebook doesn't sound like nod serious or you know of that and sort of like the leftist extremist to me and some statistics five hundred fifty nine pages and two hundred fifty cults removed. are these all just you know extremist are these all people correct and readers with short in political news well the politico and you'll see how short

and the difference with china is that in china the mainstream press is not calling for war in the united states and the european union the mainstream press very often and off switch that self into a wall mort and we have them that war against iraq the war against libya the war against syria although this is the big prize into you know this is the outsourcing of censorship we unite heart about this earlier with the atlantic county council is that facebook they do so we'll have these fact checkers take care of of course first of all they get any kind of responsibility but we were our advisors you know so that and you know for the mainstream the atlantic council has sterling credentials i don't think they have sterling credentials around this table and for many of the our viewers watching this program outsourcing censorship yeah and that's why at the end of the day facebook is now essentially a publisher even though they claim to be a platform that suffer. when they first started they were saying they were

a platform for communication for i.d.'s they live. in exactly exactly they lie to everyone let's not also forget i've lived in silicon valley these people that work in these companies the facebook the twitters the googles these guys are not progressive they're not conservative they're not libertarians they despise all these call these groups they are neo liberal elitist these guys are the elite of the league they make huge salaries they are the royalty they are the tech royalty of the world and everyone else we're just a bunch of service and they want to keep acting like. it's a spot on because in the united states media freedom is or at least has been quite the sacred and the but the whole argument is that these are private companies they can choose who's going to be on their sites and they can choose the rules for the platform so but obviously they link themselves to certain opposed to what happens is that i don't know if this was the original goal but they are the public square

now i mean they're much more than a platform they are the public square where ideas are exchange and they are unilaterally without giving anyone any recourse is that you're out ok no explanation that it's creating a lot of waves in the u.s. the fact that they are sold brazen this company so that's why you're very interesting on the in the right in the united states you see traditional free marketeers conservatives now arguing that facebook should become utility so essentially the states should absorb it because that's not a good solution that's not a good solution they might even compound it depending on who's in power ok now you could use it but we do need some kind of a solution because companies will grow and they will continue to grow in the future that's where the main joke anomic power will come in the future especially now as we're going into this new industrial revolution so i think. we have to choose what do we do we have. huge corporations become more more powerful than are they going

to be aligned with the state if so how do you have chinese system where they control it or they have the corporate state of america or they let them run free in the sense that challenge the government like the oligarchs in russia and this from there i don't think we have any solutions for this problem i guess twenty seconds name before we have. people have been talking about madelyne during the last two years i think well i liked the cold i was burnt to be the fall down type media that was awful take and he said well kate if we're talking about meddling removing eight hundred politically. oriented media for did nation you know isn't that mad in elections right before that never meet terms that he's meddling and it's in it and they determined who's in it in that middle here we're going to go to a short break guys and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some really important stay with.

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welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind we're discussing some real news. ok let me go to glenn here let's shift gears to saudi arabia and the mysterious disappearance of a dissident saudi journalist this is a big story. yes it definitely created. it's become a very awkward component of the awkward you're always good for understatement. this is no we didn't blood i think i think that if there is that he was murdered and of course this doesn't bode well for the relations between the united states and saudi arabia by. and of the

a lot of strategic and financial interest in maintaining this partnership so my best guess is the the saudis will throw a lot of money at this we will eventually see it go away. but i guess coming to the defense of the americans i would say that the they are put in a difficult position because. they do have this strategic interest they have to pursue and at the same time they have to harmonize this with what appears to be moral values or out of the logic only just like you know that kind of turn of phrase where you have common geopolitical interests but not values ok i think this is going to continue for a while here we know that president. one is in some kind of joint investigation well i tend to think this is a one way negotiation if no one is going to extract a lot from the saudis because apparently it's the turks that have all the forensic evidence the communications all this is far as we know it has not been released to

the media but that's a very powerful card they're playing and i think the crown prince has to be very worried mostly about his reputation and i think the turks share that information with the u.s. judging by trump's sixty minute interview trump also knows this is a huge huge story is going to get a lot of leverage for saudi arabia is going to get a lot of money from then the u.s. is going to sell a boat load of arms to saudi arabia dekker through the are going to reconcile but m.b.'s most likely as we're talking before the program may be on his way out good riddance that guy was a sociopath he has been doing this for the better part of a year he's been bombing yemen he's been taking other saudi oligarchs and billionaires locking them in hotel rooms torturing them and it was it not three or four months ago peter that his n.b.c. washington post new york times c.n.n. were hailing him is what they're going to look for the performer. it's the liberal

prince who's who's bringing who's letting women go to movie theaters and letting them drive in he's the savior of saudi arabia and it took you said it best it took the murder most likely the murder of this journalist and the only reason it's opening up the eyes is because he was working for the washington post took this mr president as one of their own here but john brennan this yes came out in a i'm glad you pointed out the article to me and so i won't be a spoiler go right ahead well john brennan published an article in the washington post isn't he a brave man you know he published the article headlined the u.s. should now would turn a blind eye to this sort of inhumanity can you read the last sentence or have it i haven't you know read it here if you're going to the message would be clear here we go the united states will never turned a blind eye to such a new main behavior even when carried out by friends because this is a nation that remains faithful to its values absolutely that was john brennan he

was one of the darth vader of droning about john brennan as he admits in his article has walked in saudi arabia for five years with the same regime that destroyed mr and he basically says that according to my information it couldn't be done without the prince knowing it and the court well for whom better than bradman to know such things he'd want permission from president obama every night for killing hundreds of people by drone attacks and suddenly i would have these orpen in moment mr brennan he says he writes in his article we saw that well publicized detention of more than one hundred princes senior technocrats and businessmen in the ritz carlton hotel well i read in the new york times that it was needed forty four there was almost freidman coup came in person to talk to mohamed bin so he was going to sit by as a crown prince they want to do it you said he was. no by his reform agent that he

has been listening to during that whole night you know these are real probably the most the most expensive p.r. campaigns ever done ok in the history of p.r. and then just a moment mr brennan optional not just that m.b.a.'s or that there rest of activists some of whom but actually we. hear all of that women will drive home with thought it was just for a new thing he or that some of them are is that well this is the point of all the ultra liberals they are they make privileged groups but if a member of that privileged group of person and woman or and represent all of the sexual minorities is against them then you can crack down on that person more than anyone else if he is so concerned mr brother to women in detention why doesn't he remind us or. who is just seeking their woman activist who drop off and who like to speak to the media she is now in detention in doing so this journalist.

he's put donald trump is his fate whatever it is it's put donald trump in a very uncomfortable position because of course we can't you know he says the u.s. can't stand for this but as we've all agreed here there's a lot of money at stake right here it's possible and i think that alex is already you look into it. the west may be looking for a different partner in saudi arabia. well that could be because it's not a we have to remind our viewers it's not a country it's a it's a family ok and there are other members of the family in it without the so this ruling if there would just be arabia so it is a family enterprise but i think that trump put himself a little bit in this difficult position because during the whole campaign he pointed out that the saudis were the main sponsor of terrorism and you know he would not bow to the saudis unlike his predecessor and then he had to flip will hit it big recognize the strategic into. and also the commercial interests in

maintaining good relations with the saudis so he went over there and you know paid his tribute like any other american president. i think he's put in a difficult position i suspect this being a lot of domestic issues because obviously the people of britain would not have come out against obama in this kind of way so he called trump a treasonous in the past for meeting with putin so they get his i think that it also reflects how american politics of polarized so the if the opposition can really put trump in a bill i think they're likely to jeopardize the relationship with saudi arabia by calling him out and essentially daring him to challenge this partition all heart of a by any means. necessary i think what's really interesting is that one of the things the mantras that you hear about middle east politics is a rand is the. chief supporter of terrorism in the world ok but you have if in case in this case. he was killed by

saudi intelligence personnel. in a foreign country in a consulate that is nothing less than state terrorism so it's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black here when we do find the truth behind all of this and like we said we pretty much know what i think most people are hinting at what happened the saudis the family will survive they will they will throw b.s. under the bus in order to survive at the end of the day the world family are survivors so i think m.b.'s his days are numbered i think trump was hurt by what happened i forget that jared cushion or spoke to m.p.'s they said they spoke almost a whole night together and they were discussing policy and stuff so i mean all of trump's media family also got burned really bad you could tell that trump did not like it and you don't cross trump i think at the end of the day trump will take action. if and when they decide to publish or to come out with the truth of what

happened is the interesting thing is stressing the fact that it is a royal family saying the crown prince is saying the entire family that's what makes it complicated well let me remind the viewers who was the main any me or. president. mohamud been so long the president of syria bashar al laughs so tell me about your in the mist and i will tell you who you are maybe if mr austin has such terrible amos the people who are able to commit a murder and hide it maybe he's not so bad after all that's what we have been told by the western media for so many years and again i think the western media now will try to so what's the story that all of the trump support that the saudi family it all started i think you john brennan is already a right anything his article to alter the. u.s. moral readership on the global stage now well well i would remind our viewers that

it was a bomb of course supported that haven't been so months intervention in yemen which mr brennan is now calling the disastrous for a into yemen and of course quote brennan was in power when the foreign took it to yemen start at all because the it started with his for support it's very interesting and really anything else because glenn was absolutely right to bring in the domestic politics in the us about this is that it is the images that here i guess history started two years ago because everybody else has ever meet. it would have been born in you remember we have stressed on this program over and over again i've always talked about the the envelope the drug has in his pocket he checks everything off for his reelection he inherited all of this ok it was not of his doing i'm not defending donald trump i think his his relationship.

enhanced relationship with saudi arabia is toxic to the core and his it's coming back to haunt and it was the first country you would turn the country let's not forget that so so trump does have some responsibility there but i think he will take action as far as bread and goes this is not the same brennan that was trying to overthrow and thrown trump is not the same brennan that started you created it because it's not the same brennan that started it syria is not the same brand in that valley started to rush to russia russia russia russia and cuba brennan and killed thousands of people in yemen by drones they realize you're going to get exactly yemen was the first victim or the drone campaign and now brennan is criticizing mohamed bin song for these sounds this fall into yemen but also. i think mohamed bin solomon has given us a hint that cool may succeed he has nothing but praise in his article article for muhammad bin nayef the former head of the saudi intelligence who was basically

removed by muhammad bin someone recently he says that this person was deep pulled by the invid to crawl in please out of court well that reminds me also we have a retired cia had been so involved didn't have another regime change this guy ever retire. or it didn't matter all the time. many thanks very good theory moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here archy's the next time and remember cross particles.

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