is that all that the investigation is looking into the motives into what into what would what the attacker or attackers were driven by in courage today he also promised the public will be the first to learn about any results of that investigation that was wrapped up by a minute's silence in commemoration again of all those lives that have been a lost so we've also heard some rumors here that vladimir putin could change. and travel to courage but i asked the press secretary for the russian president dmitry peskov and he told me that those reports are unconfirmed that he cannot corroborate them so for now vladimir putin stays here in sochi and i mean we could only speculate about the reasons there but probably if it if indeed he stays here this could be glad i'm a putin just allowing all services on the ground encouraged to do their work right now to save lives and to investigate without him interfering

they're having to submit reports to him without would come later so this is all we know so far will be keeping you updated very eager thank you so much for bringing us up to speed on what's happening there in the russian city of sochi among the presidential pool of turin unless after the russian president spoke on the tragedy and courage sure you're watching international rolling coverage of the tragic events in crimea today because at around midday local time there was a mass killing at a school at a technical college in eastern crimea in the city of seventeen people are being confirmed dead and up to seventy injured in an explosion and a gun attack on a college in crimea russia's investigative committee has reclassified the incident from terror attack to murder the main suspect is a student at the. college has been ladislaw frostily cough his sad to have turned

his gun on himself security measures have been intensified on the peninsula and all schools colleges and universities across russia the military are helping to evacuate the injured from the scene of the blast crimea has declared three days of mourning. we have heard a lot of witness accounts of what happened today many of them being in desperate in fact here's another from a student who talked about the panic that was caused but as to mr yellin though we just got out of a just as you know i mean. if it gives that are you. talking or. but it wasn't it is a border. that it means that if there were to start a book just a quick look at all what the it's. so. well let's take a closer look at the alleged attacker we do have some new information the russian

investigative committee said that they believe he was a student of the college aged between eighteen and twenty two he was found dead on the second floor of the building after apparently killing himself with his gun they say all of the seventeen people killed died in the shooting there were no fatalities as a result of the explosion. ok well another witness who was working there the college told us what he saw. was the children called store for transfer public transport what. i heard a blog post shooting people lying with legs about thirty people conscious i was working not far from here and run straight to this place everyone. local media post very fight video who was to be the director of the call. each

problem that you just said to me just below five or ten minutes after i left someone broken all of the window glass was shattered after the whole explosion and someone was writing about was shot a gun store or something opened all the class doors some killed everyone inside i could have been dead now all my coworkers were shocked at the children died my colleagues or dad. and here's another account from a college student who actually witnessed the shooting. movies leave i'm not going to open it is you know those that have all those that don't. close the ones you're good you probably thought it was you just did yeah yeah bizarrely video but the leap was the bothered with noise. but the. i don't know if you are the boys you thought.

well let me tell you that attacks on education. committed by students have sadly and not be isolated incidents and russia in january at least fourteen students and a teacher were injured in a knife rampage at a school in the russian city of perm teenagers who started at the assault were inspired by the columbine high school massacre and the united states and i reported on it at the time from the city of perm. the news that the school number one twenty seven in the city of perm was under attack first broke around nine in the morning national origin claim that the attackers were armed with knives dressed in black and were wearing masks soon after the school began to evacuate the first reporters arrive at the scene but many witnesses were unable to describe the events with children screaming very lonely we were scared at first we thought it was

a joke but then we realised it was serious with thought there might have been a fire or a bomb we ran i saw three little children covered in blood honestly it was horrible nine forty am local time emergency crews and police around the building of the school pictures of the school floor covered with blood start to appear on social media news begins to filter through from the city's central hospital many children had suffered knife wounds to their hands. specs and around ten in the morning both were taking to hospital with knife wounds at the same time rushes investigative committee released the preliminary version of the events a fight between the two teenagers had spilled into a classroom of ten year old student the teacher and children try to separate the two and sustained injuries. as a result of this the count is challenged by many involved in the incident.

some guys told me there are two youngsters in mosques run into the classroom. and start to stop being kids one of them jumped out of the window trying to escape another cat running trying to injure the children and hurt him so eleven am and we're starting to get some information the main suspect is sixteen years old and he's a former student at the school is said to have suffered from depression and abused alcohol as a last accomplice as a korean student at the school was fifteen he was aggressive when he used drugs i saw that he also drink but he never attacked anyone there were no conflicts at school he looked calm at school but outside you know. the suspects alleged just social media accounts revealed more information to the public the former student was also reported subscriber to several pages in the russian social platforms that contained information about school shootings and among them was the infamous columbine massacre considered one of the worst mass shootings in u.s.

history. let's just bring you up to date of what's been happening in crimea today because there have been a mass killing at a technical college there seventeen people killed and up to seventy injured in an explosion. in crimea where the victims said to be locals we do know they were all students ages investigators have now finished searching the college and they also say that no further explosive devices have been found despite an earlier report that the second had been to this investigative committee has reclassify at the onset end from a terror attack to murder and moral events are said to be held tomorrow three days of mourning have been declared and the region and the main suspect is a student at the college and has been named. ladislaw frosty cough is said to have turned his gun on himself security measures have been ramped up on the peninsula

all schools colleges and universities across the country the military are helping to evacuate the injured from the scene of the blast crimea has declared three days of mourning bush's investigative committee says the explosion happened and the colleges can teen and that the device was packed with metal objects with explosives at the scene right now investigators are also studying a lot of c.c.t.v. footage that they've gathered witness reports witnesses reported to seeing the suspect carrying a rifle the explosion was first reported as a gas blast we will send crews on the way to the scene they should be there in the next two or three. medina we were just hearing before we just gave up all of the soldiers of school in russia the motivation is always katie here isn't it the instant she said it was a student who had a grudge with his teacher what do we know if anything about what could be the

motivation in today's attack well we also knew that the attack that i reported on earlier in the russian city of perm was actually inspired by the columbine high school massacre back in the united states they there were also two attackers there both students of the school and. the attack on the school in there were also two students involved in that attack they were dressed in black and they were they had nice and they try to attack first the teacher as they had a call flipped with the teacher and then we know that everything happened during class and in a classroom full of small children was a fourth grade class there and they tried to protect their teacher and it turned. basically went out of control and. with a lot of people being injured and of course a completely chaotic scene at the school and here we see well we see

a lot of similarities to what happened back in the russian city of perm we see a lot of similarities with the incident that happened today and the russian city of courage now there are unconfirmed reports and you have to be very careful with that some reports say that he had a. troubled situation with his girlfriend there was some conflict with that girl and he was looking for that girl and maybe that was the motive behind such a violent attack but then again you have to wait and see. wait for the investigation to issue some preliminary results of what they find we know his name by now so i'm sure that there are investigative crews working at his place looking through his stuff his computer and that's going to bring a lot of new information a lot of data into the investigation we know he did lived in because she was

a local he was a local and he was a student at that college sure talking with his friends and people who knew him to perhaps what could have been going through his mind before carrying out this mass killing let's get the thoughts now of chris phillips the former head of the counterterrorism security office and he's with us and you're welcome chris thanks for coming on to our. looking today i mean it's being it's been quite difficult to piece together exactly what's happened but it seems to have been carried on students by all accounts a very determined one carrying in a bomb and the rifle into the school i mean is there anything that could have been done to prevent this. this this is a growth. on. from what we've seen in the united states of america. and really what can you do we know from having some actions with the school that

going to mean that people react in the right way you're still going to have a loss of life but you're trying to minimize that most of them. and in terms of the measures that could perhaps be implemented as a result of this but we've seen extra security at american schools but it doesn't really thing to be having. it doesn't act as a great deterrent or doesn't seem to stop it mainly what could be done to allay fears of parents. when you hear that craziness in the us so whether thinking about arming teachers army students even goodness me the more guns you have the more chance you are you got of people being killed i think what you've got to have each school does need to have a real system of understanding when something bad happens there you need to have more than one just one reaction so if your only reaction is to evacuate as an example down through the corals then actually you're putting your people at risk you know you do you've heard of them run high telegram i'd fight sort of piece where people are trained and practiced actually getting out of the building in ways

that aren't going to get some progress so there's lots of learning and training that you can do you need to have different bells as an example so i want it more and not only communication within schools is really important really difficult but but actually that's all about the response to something bad happening how do you stop someone with a gun coming into a scope well that's just impossible apart from good intelligence that tells the police that someone is acting in a strange way just coming back to you how you could react to a situation like this myself i remember i'm sure eating fire drills at school do you think it should be introduced territorial this is what you need to do or something like this happens. yes i do or you don't need to call them territorials in fact i work with a couple of schools in the u.k. we're actually what we're doing is is teaching the kids to be able to lock their rooms as an example and stop any you know anyone from coming in and in fact do it

now to windows and there's lots of ways you could do that but the most important thing you have to do is to let people know what's happening yes a fire drill what you do usually run down a corridor to get out the building but if it's someone with a gun standing at the front door that's the worst thing you can do and as we've seen in hotels and other schools the people that do that are the ones that unfortunately get killed so so and having a different plan a separate plan actually go some way to. give you some hope that you could you've got a chance that someone will jump in now with you know moving in a different way that that's going to get you safe keeping moving and not standing still is really volatile but but if you don't ever practice those and you're never going to sure and with regard to the motivation it's always kay's niton is we're unclear what the motivation could have been done today or could have been today but in terms of intelligence computer help can a term instead of the mood of a fellow student to repeat a pull or other ways of picking up whether you should be telling the teacher

something pretty pretty much every every attack like this people have known something was wrong little they were a bit weird that acted the strange do strange things people often and the the computer and what they put onto social media really shows out the fact that they were work on the group do something about it now that doesn't mean everyone that makes these comments kind of accusations or goes a bit weird is going to kill everyone but what it what it should be doing is made in the north or it is pay attention to the investigate them and potentially take some guns out of them. sure does that happen a lot i mean is this the sort of thing you're seeing now in schools and are you work in the u.k. but is this sort of thing authorities encouraging children today. very much so but it is part of the prevent i mean this to do so this one with. terrorism aspect well you know to be honest. with you you go to some extent that is terrorism but.

in this instance but the point is this should really people someone is very strange and it's terror. sometimes it's. going to be. a report that there were to. be done so those people. make so. ok chris look we're going to leave it there but really fascinating to talk to you very pleased to have you on our see this afternoon that was chris phillips a former head of the counterterrorism security office thank you. well i think if we can update our viewers on the number of. the latest numbers coming from the russian city up here is where there was a mass shooting at a school at a technical college now we said earlier that the latest number of those people

killed as a result of this incident stands at seventeen and now there are theories that this number may arise in the future we know that over forty people are in hospitals now and according to the latest information coming from the local emergency services sixteen people remain in serious condition and are being operated on as we speak now that's the latest numbers coming from that city after it was shaken by the tragic incident yet happened today. according to the technical college season of some of the pictures we've received throughout the afternoon for the students and colleges and wrote something like a thousand students every year. seventy three members of staff or so work there and so you can imagine it was there were parts classrooms and lecture halls when this

event unfolded in fact the bomb went off in the canteen around midday. then the reports of shooting into the lone gunman a forty student who was studying at this college called opened fire and that's when seventeen people were shot dead a lot of people were injured by the bomb two that went off gravely unfortunately there is expectation that death toll could also runs now just after just a few hours after the attack the russian president spoke on this tragedy and he offered his condolences and i believe we can now join life with our correspondent who is at the moment in the russian city of thought she where the russian president has been hosting talks now eager to take us through the president's reaction. well medina actually would just to give you some background here of lattimer putin was meeting the egyptian president here in his summer residence in sochi there was

a meeting planned well in advance but being here in the pool of journalists obviously all initially came here to cover this event and as we all were learning about these horrific events encourage the whole tragedy seemed to overshadow whatever it was whatever agenda was today a lot of journalists all people here they were kind of talking to each other and discussing just that and so all questions that they were going to ask to all the high profile guests here while the kind of all shifted towards asking their reactions to the massacre encourage putin in turn well as the finally showed up. to talk to the press. it started with the giving with offering his condolences to all the relatives of the victims of today's shooting and bombing in the city of courage and also he talked about how

the motives of what was drew what the shooter was driven by shooter was shooters in fact i should say was driven by their being investigated in that the public will be the first to know as to what happened there that was wrapped up with the minutes of silence all people in the room steward up to commemorate all those lives lost in crimea now there were also rumors kind of speculation questions will vladimir putin leave salt you will hear but his program cut short on travel to crimea i asked the . press secretary of lattimer putin to scoff and he told me that those are that he cannot confirm those reports which means that most likely of lattimer putin will be staying here in sochi and again we can only speculate when it comes to the reasons but probably just to give room to all the professionals on the ground to work to focus on what's crucial right now to help those wounded and to find everyone

responsible those who stood behind this horrific atrocity this is everything we know so far but i will be standing by here to bring you all the latest farai thank you so much eager for bringing us what's happening behind the scenes where they are where you are the russian thirty of so i chair where you are among the presidential pool of turin less than i do trust her how the russian president spoke on the incident back in the city of curch ok well earlier i think we spoke to journalist martin somers who says it is important to figure out whether. this mass killing was carried out by an individual with a grievance. all right ok i want to get back to martin some as. we spoke to him earlier said we're trying get a clip of that for you in the meantime i think we're going to go back to our

previous guest chris phillips he was he's the former head of the u.k. counterterrorism security office it was very interesting to talk to him before in the middle of talking about what could be done perhaps to prevent similar killings in the future in schools not just russia but worldwide in what can be done in the future chris welcome back thanks for your patience but we're listening to in early today and he was saying the stressing to the public look we've got an investigation underway will be we will be forthcoming with the evidence of what we find and we will make it public to try and reassure people but i mean beyond that. what what can be done in. the way to defeat this is don't know how many guns. the number of guns in the u.k. we've got less guns and probably most countries we have less firearms incidents like this still those still happens but less guns available that means that less.

do this because of course don't forget there's a huge amount of mental illness and. issues around the world and if you. put someone that's got lots of issues and then you put the marxist on the wrong kind of what do you expect your. in terms of. what parents could do now i mean if they've got kids that are watching television their concern to me psychologically it's very difficult for children particularly the children to go to this college then return to college as well what can be done to help them in the meantime. what am i going to salute the post-traumatic stress is a big issue and the kids that were there that day to day work will have certainly some issues with that and need to be helped. it's it's a big call who we should have you should be able to go to school in safety and send

your kids to school knowing that they're so well unfortunately we've got we've got issues with people around the world this is not just a russian issues not even just a u.s. issue people of them want to go out on a in a blaze of glory whether it's through terrorist acts whether strewed go in and blowing up shopping centers or killing people and so that's where schools these people exist in the world and we've got to be ready to do with them and be prepared to come forward when you know someone is acting in it in the extreme. chris that's medina here in the studio and i've got our question for you too now the death toll at the moment stands at seventeen people and more than forty are injured and hospitalized now the investigation says that he was the attacker was a loner how was that even possible even if he was not a professional a shooter and now we're talking about a lot of people being injured and a lot of being killed can we think about the possibility that he could have had an

accomplice. you know of course i mean that's a point of the investigation and we don't really know yet and the police there will be doing that investigation of course when you have something like this the first thing you want to do is make sure that all of those records are taken out of this could actually be in pursuit of people we don't know and that so much report that the police try to flush somehow we've we've actually had oshie which is in the past that had all the guns and then pretend the students in one out with the kids so so we sued court at least do that that's why they're quite harsh with the children but the student from coming out to make sure that they're not actually there to search them and this is same with hotel. if you have a hotel you don't actually know exactly how many people have done it so that work is being done will be done very well by the russian police on shore but the most important thing is let's identify this guy if anyone knows exactly why he's done this there will be there will be information about it is he linked to other people

that will the all the all the work in the background about you know who's even talking to over the last months what made him do this is it is it a religious thing is it is it just a trick toward schools is it just someone who just blowing the talk but of course that none of that helps the poor parents who have to deal with with not only their dead children injured children but also the children that have seen their friends don't i mean that's that's a huge problem and you know we've seen this before you know kids are resilient of course you know but but a lot worse going to be done with them to make sure that they don't actually suffer a long term those who love and shot that don't sort of long term as a result of this incident. chris just on the hue of the shooter say obviously had a gun but there were explosives. i suppose people might imagine it's easier to get your hands on a gun than to make a massive explosive device it did seem to be pretty large what would you wish it had specialist help or would he get this from the internet or how would he

understand how to make one but i wish unfortunately of course if in some parts of the world an army may be part though there's been a lot of conflict so therefore explosives guns are more available and that's the big issue but of course on top of that you've got the internet which actually gives there's an ominous on how to make a bomb and it's not that difficult to do that every year in the u.k. and across the world there are kids blowing their fingers up because they're making homemade explosives so it's not impossible to do it's the information's available on the internet but also course you've got the added problem there where there's been a conflict recently where there are going to be more exposes available and that that's a dead. so as i said before you put a troubled person or a person with issues or whatever it is and then you give them access to firearms and bombs in an environment where everyone else is going about their business as they did all the work and you've got you've got someone you can kill lots and lots of people in and of course this is not the only place it's happened in the world as have lots of places and it will do again if we don't restrict access to these to

these weapons and wish and do something about those people that are you know literally going to be experts and internationally chris is there much discussion or sharing of information between police forces or intelligence forces on this or is it something that individually each country tries to work out itself. well the terrorism certainly there's a lot of shared information and this is a terrorist is a terrorist worries in the world and these to be dealt with individuals you've got problems of course they travel as well that's. exactly what all this is now are so . people are moving around the world that we see. troubling committed offenses and. people go from one country to the next with the intent to kill. this is the world that we live in a member chris ok look good to talk to you that was chris phillips a former head of the u.k.

counterterrorism security office thank you. chris was just telling us how extremely dangerous it might be you were in a troubled hughes has access easy access to firearms or any other means are for making an explosive device and we just got a report coming from the russian city of courage where according to investigators the inverse to geisha in committee now is that a suspect if culprits of the attack received permission to carry a firearm and that happened in october last year so quite. i don't know whether or not a student came to twenty to get information to carry a firearm under what circumstances is still unclear i mean you have all the investigation how you want to work out information yeah ok all right well let's

just if you cheering in let's just bring you up to date on what's happened today in crimea because.