but this case was slightly different terry allbery was charged with the leak of just two documents to the media and retaining another focusing on methods used by the f.b.i. supporters claim the only damage caused was not to national security but the egos of authority the u.s. attorney general has made things clear amongst the crackdown on leaks and whistleblowers the risk of exposing perceived wrongdoing and injustice is higher than ever we are conducting perhaps the most aggressive campaign against leaks in department history crimes like the one committed by the defendant in this case will not be tolerated they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and punished and it seems for now whatever the motive alleged racism or spying lawbreaking or corruption whistleblowers he will face the tough choice of trusting that conscience all risking everything one thing we've got a whistleblower the bottom line. that we're wrong for it's racial profiling and

other everything like what the regulations are that they're kind of guiding behind the scenes and any blew the whistle certain thing was a little bit harsh for what what for what actually transpired i mean look look at it it happened to very senior people director called me for one and there's other many other people in the senior level to be making to the press that are highly classified. potentially exposed collection and one comment that potentially and there and that is a concern but i don't know what's really in the stream or the government made it out to be. remember that you can check on our website that's the outcome for any of our stories i'll be back at the top of the alamo headlines but first here on the national talk.

oh and welcome to cross talk we're all for considered peter lavelle the gruesome plot thickens there are reports the saudis now will admit died in their custody after an interrogation that went wrong turkish media claim they have evidence of intentional murder nonetheless trump declares he's not going to walk away from saudi arabia will there ever be justice for jamal khashoggi. cross talking saudi arabia i'm joined by my guest joe maccarone in washington he's a policy analyst at the arab center washington d.c.

and in bluefield we cross to call in kabul he is a associate professor of political science at bluefield state college gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it joe let me go to you first in washington. the more name in this program search for justice i mean after everything is said and done do you think we'll ever really know what happened to jamal go ahead. i mean the typically we know too much than the other you know a situation that happens in this part of the word i mean we already have a lot of leaking a lot of these that information we're not sure how much all of them are accurate but this one thing clear that he went into this consulate that he never came out so obviously there was a crime there the issue is what with the turkish authorities would play now obviously they're playing a little bit the mind game with the intelligence game they leak gradually whatever they feel the u.s. easing their sort of the leak more so they are in control of the game somehow and

of course they have help from the u.s. media was very much involved because special she was the washington post columnist so i think we know too much on this the investigation once it's and to have a clear indication the issue is no political one not anymore in the physician is what the u.s. will do what turkey will do at what level of the saudi. government would be would be involved what the future of your cell jubilation what the future of the man the current count prince so i think we know that the great the mystery of the state we have to see if the u.s. intelligence will have access to it or turkey will eventually release it or not if it's accurate or not there's lot of unknown this point but this one think leave it as i said he went into this consulate and he never came out ok come on why don't you weigh in on that there because i think we'd all agree the crown prince over the

last two years or so particularly the last year has been on a huge charm offensive with the west and as we pieced this together and joe did put it said it very well the evidence that we have at hand or what we believe to be true would basically nullify that charm offensive because there is. almost crystal clear here joe said it right he went into the consulate never came out and now we're hearing from turkish media some very gruesome details that we don't necessarily have to repeat here on this program so what about the crown prince call and in bluefield. well. let saudi arabia. as possibly kill tomorrow. is not something in the team so those who follow the law. what mohamed bin

saarland or m.b. years from. people refer to him may have been startled by is the reaction of certain members of the united states congress. the twenty two senators are on alert or. calling for the global move. to be implemented because of this disappearance saudi arabia has killed lots of people over the years there or minibus. that. is directly responsible for their own missing princes that. is directly responsible for so anyone who studies saudi arabia and follows what they do over the years is not shocked by the fact that marcus garvey was probably dismembered and brought back to saudi arabia so that's not what is

shocking is. their reaction the u.s. conference ok well and also joe if i can go back to you i mean donald trump is really trying to play both sides here i mean he's a pompei otoh to riyadh and amazingly enough pompei i had a grin on his face the entire time about the optics were very bizarre. and it's already been really mentioned here does saudi arabia feel that they can act with impunity they can and this is you know the the record that human rights record of saudi arabia is quite clear but i mean this was a columnist for the washington post and it's one of the reasons why the washington post and western media have taken an interest in this story if he hadn't been that it would be very very different again the impunity issue joe go ahead. i mean i remember a bumper year where he was the head of the cia here where two atory are there and for what it was a seventeen a few months later

a few weeks. i mean he when that he met the former saudi crown prince muhammad bin nayef was that he was very loved by the stubs and unwashed and here a few months after the visit he was that it was a clear message from from n.b.s. that he is the person to deal with not anyone else so would know after this he had opened it clear relation with the with the trumpets on the low. and that he had a lot of punitive in yemen in the al gore called on the what he did with canada and that he's emboldened that nobody can stop him if he has trouble on his side nobody can stop and this eventually led to what happened in the stumble on october second so now the issue is what will trump do now he's still doing business as usual but this the pressure in washington and then i grow more and more and eventually he has to change nobody is talking about changing the nature of us saudi relations but the we have to change the approach of yes that would relations and possibly m.b.'s must

step down if he's not in power yet and he's doing what he's doing imagine what he what once he becomes the king and he completely control illegally eccles is usually end and all parts of the government and then there would be no they versus the inside them on a shoe no diversity in the saudi media and would have an extension of what you're seeing now so yes the chum of offensive should be over and the congress i think that i think the lead moving forward they're going to pressure the government that's a step that could be taken immediately regarding u.s. support for yemen regarding the open channel between between caution and m.b.'s should end immediately and should be really thinking of how is the u.s. saudi relations but there's a lot of challenges in that i see that but trump going to change i think gradually over the coming weeks and months you know tony it's very interesting i mean it took this story. about jamal's fate really shines some light on

the monarchy in saudi arabia because you know in west in particular in american media they don't really talk about it very much and it's usually paid off people to say glowing things about saudi arabia and its great reforms and i mean it's really pathetic p.r. job most of the time but because of this tragic event that we know the details that we know of you know people are beginning to say yeah you're right this yamin and especially kidnapping the lebanese prime minister the whole thing in syria you know it's really put a lot of focus on saudi arabia in ways that i think the crown prince is not very happy about and this is what i think again also motivating congress and we have to remember everybody this is now a political football in american domestic politics a cudgel to go against donald trump here he was dealt

a very weird situation and i have to say president trump hasn't handled it very well to date go ahead go on. well your audience millionaire know the jomar because he. was the biggest on still in the world it was. known. who had the world's largest yacht who he saw on that yacht eventually to donald trump so don't troll up is intimately connected to the. family and he is received millions of dollars from the. over the u. s. so what congress in these members of the senate are trying to do right before the midterm elections is to put on trial into a bar and make him do something about the relationship with saudi arabia oh of members of congress know has been corrupt for decades ok karl let me stay with you

just for saying so would you say in light of what you just said it's not really about the hundred billion dollar plus military supply deals he keeps mentioning because i find it very odd that he mentions that is that it's really not and it hasn't been signed off on these are member memorandums of understanding so it's there's really no real money in play as of yet and these arms deals are projected to go into the future it is that one ok so you're saying the arms sale things are probably is not the real reason because i think trump says go ahead go on. it is the democrats were they in turn are there with the same arms deals with saudi arabia just as barack obama did when he was an hour or so the difference is that the republican president donald trump is in power is going to major arms deals with saudi arabia wrote now and the democrats want to put some smart. chick

on says to the republicans and on to the republican president ok let's hope cohen he let me let me go to joe let me go to joe here before we go to the break here. we're going to have a break we'll go just sort of public as the congress thought a little supporting democrats on this just a quick sort of call and that republicans in congress are pressuring to throw more than democrats rubio lindsey graham and a lot of free there so it's not only democrats yeah you have certain republicans and you have democrats but these are goals who have been against truong for the last year and a half now they have not been. supporters of trump they see him as a danger or grab as his buddy that they're go for the all day so. also i think you know we're going to hang on hang on guys are going to go to a break real quick but you're actually highlighting really what there is a very very deep relationship here that is not being i think very very well covered

in western media because everyone's getting paid up in my mind we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia stay with r.t. . and york my t.l. bumpin up kind of that. type of talent can put them. back to normal i thought ma'am. in some time there is a trade in young girls sold into an underground sex in the street sometimes but the people they trust the most.

fracking gave americans a lot of job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money i could make twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year truck so i chose to drive truck people who rushed to a small town in north dakota was an unemployment rate of zero percent like the gold rush is very very similar to. this beautiful story and with pollution and devastation a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here and it's just slowed down so much they lost their jobs that laid off the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. it's a tough reality to. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you

we're discussing saudi arabia. ok jill one of the things i found really quite interesting after the the supposition that the show had been interrogated and killed the royal family instantly almost simultaneously said we can wreck our become your economies in the west particularly the united states we can use that with the oil weapon and i'm paraphrasing here but that has not been said for forty five years it is taboo and everybody knows that because. because it can really make the markets volatile but that was to first card that they played does that make you feel the confident that they're going to come through with a legitimate investigation because it was so quick and threatening if we are sanctioned you will pay for it that is remarkable and for a country that is pivotal in the oil markets it is traditionally least in the last

four decades played a very reasonable role as that pivotal. producer that all changed almost in a matter of hours go ahead joe and yes you are right the last time to use this weapon was in one nine hundred seventy three and this this led to a whole change in u.s. policy the whole of the middle east so if you see this is the first impulse of. has obviously the signature of m.b.'s on it it's it's a message was meant to be an interim so i don't miss message owns official messages i have to trump that we can impact the congressional the congressional election in november that we can change and this may be the hope was to change his calculus on that level after the u.s. embassy the saudi embassy in riyadh issued a statement which is no we believe in yourselves the relation if this will happen this will impact so that it be as much as the word because part of being in order to produce so and to produce so you have to have this is

a sustained flow of energy otherwise people going to go somewhere else and now the market it's expanding in the us those of no longer need saudi oil europeans have more diversity so the market is changing you know they're not as much as influential and they will impact themselves more they impact the word but they are doing this i think because they want to say that there is a reaction from them and they had one audience in mind as donald trump. a colony how is that how do you see trump playing this here because like i said before when to the break i don't think he's playing it very well because there will be serious consequences again paraphrasing and then he within one news cycle he he backed off and he's talking about the importance of the relationship here i mean and its critics are really savaging hear him here i mean it's it's kind of theoretical do you support human rights or a realist and when you know when you're talking intellectually like that that's fine but when you're using

a specific example it doesn't come off very well i mean it in and trump is it doesn't seem like he has a really good grip on it for maybe reasons that you mention and in the first part of the program there's the saudi arabia has its tentacles everywhere in the u.s. economy and you know as bob dylan said money doesn't talk it screams and i hear oh i think a lot of saudi money is screaming right now go ahead call on. don't drop isn't. money money for money for the country moving from girls and he wants to. saudi arabia in the money flowing so when he hears the contrary to what you did earlier nice and the saudi arabia has. a killing jamal because a from my. information right now all that has been reported is that they are thinking about yes. they it's assumed there dave did change that british

and then reports say that there is an interest of patients that indeed yes that he accidently died during an interrogation keep going calling true are indicating that we don't know the facts so that's going to be years but it is probably going to be not to admit to killing because even though the amount of the evidence. in a little. to the point where it is pretty evident the what happened and you can see that by the fact that u.s. intelligence has already said they have caught. the online giving orders to undertake this capture of a charge. in the interrogation and the killing of sharkey now the turkish security said their video and audio. either through the

apple watch because sarkozy was worried or through the bugging the turkish the saudi consulate in istanbul but they have not released that information yet so this initially led me peter and mr joe to think that this was a shakedown by turkey and u.s. intelligence just says b.s. last a year ago in november got over one hundred saudi princes billionaires and millionaires into the ritz carlton and shook them down and so the u.s. and turkey who want to get some money from saudi arabia were going to do the same thing so it was either a shakedown going on of saudi arabia or wives or heads and us foreign policy were realizing that india's is

a total failure. of qatar is right a port isis in syria is war in yemen is leading to the demise of this traditional honey part for members of congress and for the us ruling class and so they want to get him dislodged so they can put it back in another more favorable roi or as mr joe talked about earlier before him he has. well there you know it joe it's interesting i've been reading reports that american intelligence sources were aware of jamal's of visit and the intentions potential intentions of the saudi government here and that kind of backs up a little bit what colin was saying right there and because there is criticism of people that are aware of this saying that there was an interview it wasn't in intervention warning him off so again i started this program the plot thickens

because the more we learn the more we understand that there are different motives from different people in play go ahead joe. yeah that's a big question because obviously a lot of reporting said that the u.s. intelligence was aware that there was a plot to print both to kill him so why he was not informed what the washington post was looking for because the rest of the virginia is known as the known. figure for for all you know officials involved so why he was not. warned there's some reporting saying that he was lured from here from officials here and watch the saudi officials to go it to stumble because obviously it's easy for them to to operate there. so i think that they didn't expect this reaction of the they were expecting maybe to have to hide the evidence but they i mean the turks i mean i don't believe that the approach to obviously the only option is they had. they were spying on what's happening inside the only with the way they're a little bit as if that and showing the video maybe because there were people will

discover they were bugging the well i mean joe joe let me ask you a question i mean if they if he was lured if he was lured there and he is a resident of the united states why didn't he go to the saudi consulate in washington d.c. to get this marriage document why would he go to a place where. he believes he could you know i mean it you know that's a third party turkey is not disinterested from what you and colin. said here i mean it looks like it was very callous unless he had another reason to go that far to get this document because apparently it's fiance was outside the consulate with his phone he didn't bring the phone in with him this is what we're learning here go ahead joe i mean you. can't just speculate we can't know really what's happening the reporting is said that he had meetings with the saudi ambassador here and he give them the impression that he's welcome and he can do whatever he needed the

papers to get better than stumble in turkey so he needed a letter from the saudi call sort of the report to give the go the get get the paper to be more. in line with what this official to this is want to indorse your. age these days we can just speak it doesn't matter just if you went to washington he went to stumble there was an intent to so basically sign the senate somewhere and this happens that's happened so the question is from the u.s. politics perspective is did the u.s. intelligence know you know really they didn't inform and they informed the white house of the white house and inform. you know authorities involved in turkey or elsewhere we don't know the big of questions that are yet to be answered or maybe never we don't know or maybe never cohen you know again another one of the threats that from the house of saud is that they might realign their foreign policy or buy

weapons from other countries that is bluster that is absolutely nonsense it would cost saudi arabia billions and billions and billions of dollars to reintegrate let's say russian or chinese technology i mean almost all of it is american british and french i mean again to just bluster you know who's doing the p.r. over there i mean it's is it's very i'm sorry juvenile sounding and sound that i get child. being on the ground go ahead cohen. well it is true that mark mohamed bin saumur believes that with him and the leadership of saudi arabia they can be much more proactive in the region although he is very upset with iran that iran gets to act. with near impunity and that the people in the country of iran support the government much more than they do in sort of really

good sort of arabia everybody knows that the royal family it's corrupt everybody knows that there's no justice in saudi arabia instead it's just that the saudis rule for themselves and they don't care about anybody else but mom and and song and things that they hear can move saudi arabia into a position where he can intervene in syria in yemen in other places and then eventually. i mean movement calling can call and he's he has been doing that. with disastrous effect that's. disastrous results and. you know we have to look how it's going to be presented to the american public. the people who are watching his case will go are shocked about saudis killing someone they said oh here's

a humanitarian or freedom right here some more and and that is why i said that's why we ran out of time here that's why i've had two years of p.r. a charm offensive seems to have gone nowhere many thanks to my guest in washington and in bluefield and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember just awful. i don't have faith in this government i don't have faith the love president i don't have faith in the system. i'm not i'm too liberal the system does not decide for people like me who move. as bloodlust. different people who are here for different reasons lost a job lost

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