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hello and welcome to. the considered. the gruesome plot thickens there are reports the saudis now will admit died in their custody after an interrogation that went wrong turkish media claim they have evidence of intentional murder nonetheless trump declares he's not going to walk away from saudi arabia will there ever be justice for. saudi arabia i'm joined by my guest joe maccarone in washington he's a policy analyst at the arab center washington d.c. and in bluefield we crossed a call and. he is

a professor of political science at bluefield state college hi gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it joe let me go to you first in washington. the more naming this program search for justice i mean after everything is said and done do you think we'll ever really know what happened to jamal go ahead. i mean the typically we know too much than the other you know a situation that happens in this part of the word i mean we already have a lot of leaking a lot of these that information we're not sure how much all of them are accurate but this one thing clear that he went into this consulate that he never came out so obviously there was a crime there the issue is what with the turkish authorities would play now obviously they're playing a little bit the mind game with the intelligence game they leak gradually whenever they feel the u.s. easing their sort of the leak more so they are in control of the game somehow and of course they have help from the u.s. media was very much involved because the special she was the washington post

columnist so i think we know too much on this the investigation once it's and to have a clear indication the issue is no political one not anymore in the position. what the u.s. will do what turkey will do at what level of the saudi. government would be would be involved what the future of your cell jubilation what the future of the man the current conference so i think we know that the great the missile you know this tape we have to see if the u.s. intelligence will have access to it or turkey will eventually release it or not if it's accurate or not there's lot of unknown this point but this one think leave it as i said he went into this consulate and he never came out ok come on why don't you weigh in on that there because i think we'd all agree the crown prince over the

last two years or so particularly the last year has been on a huge charm offensive with the west and as we pieced this together and joe did put it said it very well the evidence that we have at hand or what we believe to be true would basically nullify that charm offensive because there is it looks. almost crystal clear here joe said it right he went into the consulate never came out and now we're hearing from turkish media some very gruesome details i may not necessarily have to repeat here on this program so what about the crown prince calling in bluefield. well. let saudi arabia. as possibly kill jamal because show is not something in the shocking to those who follow the wholesale slaughter word mohamed bin

salman or m.b.a.'s for short people referred to in may have been startled by is the reaction of certain members of the united states congress. the twenty two senators are on alert or. calling for the global misty to be implemented because of this disappearance saudi arabia has killed lots of people over the years there are many bodies that the hassle so far is directly responsible for their own missing princes that the house of saud is directly responsible for so anyone who studies saudi arabia and follows what they do over the years is not shocked by the flag. marcus garvey was probably dismembered and brought back to saudi arabia so that's not sucking what is. is instead their reaction the u.s.

conference. ok well and also joe if i can go back to you i mean donald trump is really trying to play both sides here i mean he's a he sent pompei o two to riyadh and amazingly enough pompei i had a grin on his face the entire time about the optics were very bizarre. and it's already been really mentioned here does saudi arabia feel that they can act with impunity they can and this is you know the the record that human rights record saudi arabia is quite clear but i mean bass was a columnist for the washington post and it's one of the reasons why the washington post and western media have taken an interest in this story if he hadn't been that it would be very very different again the impunity issue joe go ahead. i mean i remember when he was the head of the cia he went to to riyadh in february still as a seventeen a few months later a few weeks later i mean he went there and he met the former saudi crown prince

muhammad bin nayef was that he was very loved by the unwashed and here a few months after the visit he was that it was a clear message from from n.b.s. that he is the person to deal with not anyone else so would know after this open cleared relation with the with the trumpets on the low. there he had a lot of puti in yemen in the al gore cult on that what he did was kind of. that he's emboldened the nobody can stop him if he has trouble on his side nobody can stop in this eventually lead to what happened in the stumbled over second so no the issue is what will trump do no he's still doing business as usual but this the pressure in washington i'm going to grow more and more and eventually he has to change nobody is talking about changing the nature of your soldier relations but we have to change the approach of yes that would relations possibly m.b.'s must that

don't if he's not in power year and he's doing what he's doing imagine why. what once he becomes the king and he completely control legally. and all parts of the government and then there would be no they verse inside the mourner should not diversity in the. do it have an expression of what you seem to know so yes the first should be over the congress i think that i think the lead moving forward going to pressure the government that's a step that could be taken immediately to god think your support for yemen regarding the open channel between between question and b.s. should immediately and should be. thinking of how is the us so delicious but there's a lot of challenge of the c. of the but going to change i think gradually over the coming weeks and months you know tony it's very interesting i mean it took this story. about jamal's fate

to really shines some light on the monarchy in saudi arabia because you know in west in particularly american media they don't really talk about it very much and it's usually paid off people to say glowing things about saudi arabia and it's great reforms that i mean it's really pathetic p.r. job most of the time but because of this tragic event that we know the details that we know of you know people are beginning to say yeah you're right there's a yemen and especially kidnapping the lebanese prime minister the whole thing in syria you know it's really put a lot of focus on saudi arabia in ways that i think the crown prince is not very happy about and this is what i think again also motivating congress and we have to remember everybody this is now a political football in american domestic politics a cudgel to go against donald trump here it is that he was dealt a very weird situation and i have to say president trump hasn't handled it very

well today go ahead go on. will. your audience may in the know the jomar because he. was the biggest on snow in the world it was. known as shark who had the world's largest yacht who he saw on that yacht eventually to donald trump so don't troll up is intimately connected to the. family and he is receive millions of dollars from the saudi over the years so would congress in these members of the senate are trying to do right before the midterm elections is to put on trial into a bar and make him do something about the relationship with saudi arabia oh of members of congress no one has been corrupt for decades ok can't let me stay with

you just for saying it so would you say in light of what you just said it's not really about the hundred billion dollar plus military supply deals he keeps mentioning because i find it very odd that he mentions that is that it's really not and it hasn't been signed off on these are member memorandums of understanding so if there's really no real money in play as of yet and these arms deals are projected to go into the future it is that one ok so you're saying the arms sale things are probably is not the real reason because i for trump says go ahead go on . to the democrats were in turn are in there with do the same arms deals with saudi arabia barack obama when he was an hour or so the difference is that the republican president donald trump is in power is going to major arms deals with saudi arabia it now and the democrats want to put some smart. check

on it as to the republicans and on to the republican president. ok let's hope cohen honey let me let me go to joe let me go to joe here before we go to the break here jeff we're going to have a break we're just sort of public isn't going to settle supporting the democrats on this just a quick answer to call in that the public is in congress out of pressure to throw more than democrats. lindsey graham a lot of free that is so it's not only that yeah you have certain republicans and you have democrats but these are those who have been against trial for the year and a half they have not been. corners of trauma they see him as a danger to ground as his buddy that they go for the day so. most of all i think you know we're going to hang on hang on guys are going to go to a break real quick but you're actually highlighting really what there is a very very deep relationship here that is not being i think very very well covered

in western media because everyone's getting paid off of my mind we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia stay with r.t. . you know world's big partners through the lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the bad shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for washing clothes watching the hawks.

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instantly almost simultaneously said we can wreck havoc on your economies in the west. particularly the united states we can use that with the oil weapon and i'm paraphrasing here but that is not been said for forty five years that is taboo and everybody knows that the kicking because it can really make the markets volatile but that was to first card that they played does that make you feel the confident that they're going to come through with a legitimate investigation because it was so quick and threatening if we're sanctioned you will pay for it that is remarkable and for a country that is pivotal in the oil markets it is traditionally least in the last four decades played a very reasonable role as that pivotal. producer that all changed almost in a matter of hours go ahead joe and yes you are right the last time that use this weapon was in one nine hundred seventy three and this this led to a whole change in u.s. policy the whole of the middle east so if you see this is the first impulse of.

the has obviously the signature of m.b.'s on it it's the message was meant to be an interim i don't miss message alone so official messages i have to trump that we can impact the congressional the congressional election in november that we can change and this may be the hope was to change his calculus on that level after the u.s. embassy the saudi embassy in riyadh issued a statement which is no we believe in yourselves the relation if this will happen this will impact so that it be as much as with the word because part of being in order to produce so as a producer you have to have as a sustained flow of energy otherwise people going to go somewhere else and now the market this experience expanding to the u.s. those of no longer need saudi oil europeans have more diversity so the market is changing you know they're not as much as influential and they will impact themselves more they impact the word but they are doing this i think because they

want to say that there is a reaction from them and they had one audience in mind as donald trump. acoa me how is that how do you see trump playing this here because like i said before when to the break i don't think he's playing it very well because you know there will be serious consequences again paraphrasing and then he within one news cycle he he backed off and he's talking about the importance of the relationship here i mean and its critics are really savaging hear him here i mean it's it's kind of theoretical do you support human rights or a realist and when you know when you're talking intellectually like that that's fine but when you're using a specific example it doesn't come off very well i mean it in and trump is it doesn't seem like he has a really good grip on it for maybe reasons that you mention and in the first part of the program there's the saudi arabia has its tentacles everywhere in the u.s. economy and you know as bob dylan said money doesn't talk it screams and i hear oh i think a lot of money is screaming right now go ahead call on. don't drop. money

for money for the country money from girls and he wants to keep. saudi arabia in the money flowing so when he hears the contrary to what you did earlier recent the saudi arabia has. a killing jamal because a from my. information right now all that has been reported is that they are thinking about yes. they it's assumed they're dave did change their position then reports say that there is an interest of patients that indeed yes that he accidently died during an interrogation keep going calling true or indicating that we don't know the first so that's going to be years but it is probably going to be

a has not to admit to killing because even though the amount of the evidence. in a little there's poet up to the point where it is pretty evident the what happened and you can see that by the fact that u.s. intelligence has already said they have caught. the online giving orders to undertake this capture of a charge. in the interrogation and the killing of sharkey now the turkish security said their video and audio. either through the apple watch their cars are he was wearing or through the bugging the turkish the saudi consulate in istanbul but they have not released that information yet so this initially led me peter and mr joe to think that this was

a shakedown by turkey and u.s. intelligence just says b.s. last a year ago in november got over one hundred saudi princes billionaires and millionaires into the ritz carlton and shook them down and so the u.s. and turkey want to get some money from saudi arabia were going to do the same thing so it was either a shakedown going on of saudi arabia or wives or heads and us foreign policy were realizing that india's is a total failure. of qatar is right the port isis in syria is war in yemen is leading to the demise of this traditional honey part for members of congress and for the u.s. ruling class and so they want to get him dislodged so they can put it back in

another more favorable royal as mr joe talked about earlier before him he has. there you know it joe it's interesting i've been reading reports that american intelligence sources were aware of jamal's of visit and the intentions potential intentions of the saudi government here and that kind of backs up a little bit what colin was saying right there and because there is criticism of people that are aware of this saying that there was an interview it wasn't an intervention warning him off so again i started this program the plot thickens because the more we learn the more we understand that there are different motives from different people in play go ahead joe. yeah that's a big question because obviously a lot of reporting said that the u.s. intelligence was aware that there was a plot to print both to kill him so why he was not informed what the washington post was looking for because the rest of the virginia is known as the known. figure

for for all you know officials involved so why he was not. warned there's some reporting saying that he was lured from here from officials here and watch the saudi officials to go it to stumble because obviously it's easy for them to to openly there. so i think they they didn't expect this reaction of the they were expecting maybe to have to hide the evidence but they i mean the turks i mean i don't believe for the approach to be obvious the only option is they had. they were spying on what's happening inside the only way of the way they're a little bit of that and showing the video maybe because there were people will discover they were bugging you the well i mean joe joe let me ask you a question i mean if they if he was lured if he was lured there and he is a resident of the united states why didn't he go to the saudi consulate in washington d.c. to get this marriage document why would he go to a place where. he believes he could you know i mean you know that's

a third party turkey is not disinterested from what you and colin. said here i mean it looks like it was very callous unless he had another reason to go that far to get this document because apparently it's fiance was outside the consulate with his phone he didn't bring the phone in with him this is what we're learning here go ahead joe i mean you. can't just speculate we can't know really what's happening with the reporting that said that he had meetings with the saudi ambassador here and he given the impression that he's welcome and he can do whatever he needed to papers to get mad at them some bull in turkey so he needed a letter from the saudi call sort of the report to give the us can they go there. get the paper to be more. in line with what this official to this is want to indorse you are. these days we can just speak it doesn't matter as

also i'll just if you went to washington he went to stumble there was an intent to so basically side in the senate some way this happens that's happened so the question is from the u.s. politics perspective is did the u.s. intelligence know you know really they didn't inform and they informed the white house of the white house and inform. you know authorities involved in turkey or elsewhere we don't know that big of a request that are yet to be answered or maybe we don't know or maybe never cohen you know again another one of the threats that from the house of saud is that they might realign their foreign policy or buy weapons from other countries that is just bluster that is absolutely nonsense it would cost. billions and billions and billions of dollars to reintegrate let's say russian or chinese technology i mean almost all of it is american british and french i mean again to just bluster you know who's doing the p.r.

over there i mean it's is it's very i'm sorry juvenile sounding and sound that i get child. being on the ground go ahead cohen. well it is true that mark mohamed bin saumur believes that with him and the leadership of saudi arabia they can be much more proactive in the region although he is very upset with iran that iran gets to act. with near impunity and that the people in the country of iran support the government much more than they do in sort of really good sort of arabia everybody knows that the royal family it's corrupt everybody knows that there's no justice in saudi arabia instead it's just the saudis rule for themselves and they don't care about anybody else but mom and and song and things that they hear can move saudi arabia into

a position where he can intervene in syria and yemen in other places and then eventually. i mean movement calling can call and he's he has been doing that. with disastrous effect. disastrous results and. you know we have to look how it's being presented to the american public. the people who are watching his case will go are shocked about saudis killing someone they said oh here's a humanitarian or freedom right here some more and and that is why i said that's why we ran out of time here that's why i've had two years of p.r. a charm offensive seems to have gone nowhere many thanks to my guest in washington and in bluefield and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. next time and remember the last couple.

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in film in there is a trade in young girls souls into an underground sex in the street sometimes but the people they trust the most. i'm sorry. i did the war planning for the principle force provider command in the united states military or for years i've worked on this region for years i do not understand this saudi arabia is the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in the world still today and yet we call here on that we lie when we say that we outright blatantly lie when we say that and moreover we know we're lying.

was that from you know to. me. i don't have faith in this government i don't. know my faith or love president. i don't have faith in the system. i'm just a broken system that does not decide for people like me.