provision raising yeah. you make it sound so easy that but in the book you recall the psychological experiment the milgram syndrome so there are other workers maybe watching this who maybe work for the i don't know the big four ordered to go but as well you raise the subject of the milgram syndrome you might have to explain the experiment because the violence that i have gone through because what i have been facing somehow makes me what doctors call survivor i should not be here anymore because what i went through is somehow impossible to find when you are a single individual and namely because all the ones you trusted your colleagues your internal clients your management your company all are against you and obviously they are much more powerful because they are richer. well surrounded and they have the means to press where they can assist in age you

psychology clearly so this milgram cinnamon is extremely interesting because it means that when the colleagues in a company are being told by their boss to do something they're just too early because they had to do it or many of your french journalists have said to be but why did you decide not to toss those documents why did you decide not to toss the archives and the question is why did the others do why did all the others do. and when we come to the stakes of what whistleblowers do when it comes to tax dodging for instance there's a statistic in this book which is all of the press because this is a september twenty eighth dean figure where you talk about the amount of money we're talking about here which of course would have gotten the health service and lifesaving equipment and emergency services just describe what you mean with a hundred billion number. one hundred. million euros or your

leave the country and it's a figure from the unions from their ministry go in for finance and friends. obviously on the one side we are being told that we suffer a crisis that we have to reimburse the debt. and on the other side you have so many people. it's keeping. taxi is. why do you know the whole thing is that everyone has to understand it's it's a big lie you know we're just axing jobs then the people with their jobs because apparently there is no money to. finance them because the administration has no money and on the other side is the people where just changing the text cheater is the. wealthiest. clever tax. voiding companies because people would be doing that i don't know what your reaction is to the deputy

prime minister of this country former deputy prime minister nick clegg becoming head of global affairs of facebook which i think the present government has been looking at for tightening tax measures because it only paid but this is million pounds attacks on mumbai to six billion what is the reaction it's exactly what i discovered this past ten years it's called connectivity it's a network of people who you know they play in their little playground and they are them and they are the citizens somehow as if they were above the law was. the laws they imposed to all the citizens we are aware for the country this is what's incredible because i thought that france was the only country where we had these wrongdoings with minister is julius wrote the preface in your new book and it's you know arguably one of the most famous facilitators of resul blows it how did he come to write he writes about like pompei oh what does it make you feel they're reading

the preface of the book is. a journey in the road that last year not the text that you know i got yesterday morning and it's true that it's in that if you. like region two days ago well it sends me shivers because we all see what we face it's always the culture of impunity of lies the culture of words but behind words they are only read only group of people. to somehow play against the citizens with this a pet city of information of secrecy we see it in the government we're just talking about might bump a zero on the american administration but we suffer the same you know when friends and everywhere in europe we know that what we're saying is is right we don't know about tax evasion people being from us to go to laboratories they know that you know some medication are really bad for people's health so now that we know what do we do and one of the solutions there is to stand together and to be. united.

as this is not what is supposed to be several thank you. thank you for unity. well big banks and pharmaceutical companies may be crushing dissent but is capitalism also crushing innovation trump and tourism a claim arms sales to saudi arabia are about jobs but a new revolutionary field doing the rounds of labor's shadow cabinet suggests a more complex picture of an entire war system that stifles originality and the socially useful the plan indorsed way arguably britain's greatest director ken loach is by steve sprung steve welcome to going underground the news full of people going if we stopped selling arms to saudi arabia to bomb yemen there'd be no jobs in this country your film the plan seems to cast doubt or at least gives us a completely different context to that question yes well yeah i mean the film is about a story that took place in the seventy's when workers were workers jobs were threatened

and they worked in the arms industry and they faced exactly that that question and what do what do we do do we make comes or try to continue to make arms or do we try to make something else and they came up with a complete alternative to make products which was socially useful and products which are environmentally sustainable and so what they did was they developed a whole range of products is the workers themselves the works on the factory floor developed a hundred fifty ideas into beauty products that were feasible products that could be made using their skills and their equipment they they you know they put out a questionnaire to the workers around the factories they came in with all these ideas and the products included when the wind turbine because it's very close thing to go from what they were produce in which used to bonds for military jets to shift that over to win two points is a quite simple operation the things they develop with things like a hybrid car which they then went on to actually build with the university

department later on heat pumps which eleven days seemed to be the answer to. how do you create energy with low consumption levels and also a lot of ideas towards low cost energy efficient housing they're the main ideas talked about in the film for example in total one hundred fifty products which broached across medical equipment as well but the main emphasis was on this idea that all the products should be socially and environmentally sustainable and make our member this is in the mid ninety's seventy's all these ideas which we developed as feasible possibilities instead of making up tell me how this fits into a context within your fill. of people know perhaps a fascist connections to pinochet but all of them you tanisha with chile dictatorship in portugal new liberalism as well as ignoring climate change are in the film covers a sort of range period of history in which that was taking place and the period of

history really talking about is the ended the. post-war consensus at the end of keynesianism and it was at that point in time historically you had the beginnings of the new liberal or the senate seat near liberalism and in this country it certainly came to the fore when the government had to go and borrow money from the i.m.f. and we put a very strict conditions they had they could you know they had to cut back on government spending they had to cut make a lot of cuts etc cetera i mean excepted the whole notion that you're going to squeeze down the economy public spending all those nice it's they literally has the results you all this is proof that you're it also actually the whole process is what kade to be called factories and is merely the continuation of that i mean a lot of people talk about the fact that you had thatcherism post that truism tony blair kind of continued with the same policies but actually what this film talks about looks at is the fact that the policies were actually prefigured even in

a pre labor government project that you so much longer process that process that sort of forty year period of neo liberalism which you know which is kind of now run its course with the two thousand and eight crash started at precisely the time all those things basically go the film is in a sense is about the fact that all these ideas that with their very strongly at that time had to be destroyed for near liberalism to take place and we have lucas aerospace workers actually being able to see the stifling of innovation that happens through capitalism people know today steve jobs who appears in in your film and think of them as great innovators. look at this way of discovering the balance sheets and realizing presumed like apple workers haven't. how far these big companies this great business success stories are basically subsidized by ordinary people that was an important part of what they did as well they really talk about

it in the film they talk about the fact that. not only did they did both the products but they starting looking at a company they started looking at the fact and one of them at one point quotes and he says ok they made hundred twenty five million profit over and over they paid ten thousand five hundred in tax and then the next line is grants received from the government. ten million for getting tax grants received from the government ten million three hundred s. and so pretty much the exact amount that they paid in taxes then being given back to them by the government pay no tax at all so essentially what you've got is a situation where companies that need the whole development of companies the process the development of new technologies access to research or is funded by the government set up with the same apple a lot of all the products that apple developed and all of the framework apple works on the internet except are so funded by in that case the american government you

know is all of that would join the union blocks that don't work without government spending all that all that all or all that technology development huge amounts of it is publicly funded where is the image we get is if it's these private entrepreneurs are actually creating all these innovative ideas and they're not as actually is being developed in public institutions in research facilities in university center and then those companies are piggybacking on to that are making vast profits from it and there's an argument who says well they're not then pain in their taxes back on their moving their taxes to offshore hafe so they get in money coming from the government they're not then paying taxes so the whole thing is you know going in one direction so what the lucas workers were about was saying ok rather than pop. that money going to make profit for private individuals and private companies if that money is coming from the public purse it should be used

and we should look at how we use that money to the public interest me to me that's what the important thing is about their story they start with a very simple idea why don't we make things just so should we use for other profit and then you start to pick the whole thing and you start to get all those relationships between production for profit toward the end if you control resources and the environment get destroyed in the process you're in the film that tries to talk through the whole range of the connectedness of those things through a simple story which starts with a very simple idea. thank you and you can catch the plan at the lisbon film festival dock lebeau on the twenty seventh of october after the break what you going to do when the world's on fire from knife crime to grenfell to stop and search cattle we learned about institutional u.k. prejudice from the usa all the support that we have about doing going underground.

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trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crimes happen each day. eighty five percent of global wealth you longs to be rich eight point six percent market saw a thirty percent rise last year some with four hundred to five hundred three per second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building a two point one billion dollar a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only number you need to remember is one one business show you can't afford to miss the one and only. welcome back ten on the t.v.

sets in the any major nation and you'll likely see condemnation of trump's usa based on. city politics tension but if we ignore the breathless near liberals maybe we can hear that the rot set in long ago and londoners just like the people of louisiana depicted in a new documentary may recognize stories of different life and death outcomes of the determined by class and color we went to the mayfair otel in london to talk to one of the stars of what you're going to do when the world's on fire judy hill to talk about where clause and race in just sacked judy over here gentrification is a big issue poor areas boys run by community people who are being moved out in favorable to the national companies what happened to your bow wow my boar was. had the power for three and a half years or was pretty girl and i first got to the number now that eight months after being in a bore it was number number of the best bars in new orleans after eight months

at the party year and i have it was number eight just before i left about five months if i left it was number i bet it's bars in new orleans. the young lady she was on but like people it's on my blank people and. she had a problem with me because every commercial comes to the wall has their own issues that the board. she wanted all of all the money in with anything you know whatever so it's always a money issue or money always when. you know it is pretty sad so she had to offer. some guys came around i got offered her you know. we'll pay you two thousand she pain twelve hundred whatever because i had them at the spa popular. but after a while that she kicked me out the door and everything come to find out the guy

didn't want to be in an area she went and given it to some other people it is about money yeah but in the film you're talking about slavery to really partly and you talk about how to break a slave it's really the new slavery because kanye west was with donald trump saying with thirteenth amendment didn't go far enough your take a slightly different to that when i spoke about a right the slave there was a book i read. and that's what it was about breaking slaves have a comb black people down and. put them in have a minute are they not this kind of stuff so i mean slavery slavery has no way you can sugarcoat it. that they want to but you know how the media in the united states talks about american society how can you possibly can today as everyday life for african-americans or people of color with

a time of slavery. i can compare it because i feel like it's the same way. i mean it from anniston in question right it's just very same thing. no difference and we don't want chains it's pretty scary for us without. we lose to at least in the every day you know just in my neighborhood i can pretty much say it's not always k.k.k. skill and always that black have it be black on black on. white is it comes from a point from where there was never no happiness in the house when it was a baby. because the man who has already worked up the parts she raised her daughters to perth the whole house has a price. and. whole come back from way back when my grandmother was young

the price corrects slavery that the mentality of it one of the people of as you're talking about these issues says that it was like suddenly in the late eighty's the drugs and guns poor in these cities and it wasn't happening when welcome wix was giving speeches about black power power is one of the themes of the film how did suddenly happen in the navy this is like how not what happened. i don't know i really don't know but i don't know that's when the drugs came in i remember that i was a teenager i would say in one nine hundred eighty. hour remember that crack up epidemic that hit. it was worse and they could train up for new orleans because you prichard there is already no food in the house in here come this time what drugs and whatever came good you left somebody in

a family and i don't. we instead call it painkillers as time went on it every family i was in there you know. we didn't need it but we we did it but when i went in and before nineteen it we never knew nothing about cracking based in. fact i don't know what could have been with there was a new black francis at the film would presumably say it's wars in central america. rocks coming from yeah because we don't have it but now it's in every. family why black japanese everybody get behind them. now they look in a helpful way when they get to the white community like oh well these people or. they don't i don't feel they have mental problems now that it's in the white house

and white person but has been brought down dope fiends though in everything and still and we are the same habits so why and how could you call me had no feeling you when you're black on black crime crime in london is reportedly. in new york murder in particular actually. but often it is just this is getting black on black crime. how easy do you think is it for the government to dismiss murder would have because it would community over to them and then i mean where i'm from i can't speak for everyone because i don't know that there are games and you don't have games there i don't. we live in a more i live in a think swore at that seven ward eight war might have the seven war beef in with the war beef it mean we've got a problem. you don't come out in a six war i can come in and step in or where i'm from has nothing to do in new

orleans you know no there's. there is no game room and we have one way the matter whatever there's no is nothing for these kids to do with these people in wallace they depress you can see you cry in. snow well you can go to jail you won't get a record when you. twelve years old you got there are going to automatically i mean you get that quick again you get a driver's license or a good education you don't get that. you won't get a record for trespassing and in french our own neighborhood. mandatory will get you but i think ups most of the time you're going to get and i'm sure was all over you know and now that's one of the things about the pact with the panthers was

talking about how the police kill in the asian children. and how their racist stuff is really really bad and the reason why i can say i have a have a never went anywhere because my mom is eighty nine and she told me that it never change. in every year is going to get stronger and strong enough why she has you know it's a it's getting really really bad you know because if we read cases here of a russian charles mark duggan people of color short by police in britain why do you think it was the police or acquitted because mostly up most of them is why. we don't have a voice. we scared to death for our boy it's as i was just. as nothing for one our kids to go to the store and no don't make it back home because the police felt i feel a need to draw down. that no go in jail it's going on everywhere

is that race is that you've got the races in the cold i was you've got the races paulie's you've got the k.k.k. instead doctors you've got the k.k.k. is all over the plates you know less than any given k.k.k. is were they that naturally evil you know and. that's the scary thing you know and the reason why they get acquitted because like people never did of oh we don't stay in for nothing in the eyes of these people have been changed you know it is just. as everywhere i don't for the life of me and it makes me want to cry some because. we don't know. we don't we are looked up we are looked up on air as animals. it's

heartbreaking you go in a place. i've been to. venice it's my first time traveling in my fifty one years old. and i'm my first thought it's time now to speak of my. so i got a put on but i don't know how to produce an m d. but i have a watch my friends are my friends not mccullough so i moved behind me and when i'm in a supposed to be in front of. a spa so i always look at myself as a queen no matter what it's a matter of one or get me around. the queen of england sports always staying on silent not under. a mistake. and i move around with these people. am i right my mirrors mike at i want to be accepted i want i want the slam play

when you walk out. when i walk in the door you like a judy shipman i want i want that everywhere because i give it a picture that has been of like me or a gay player that you like the players because it makes little girl for the girls in. my she always a if sent you can't even buy a coder would she like you and there is the style for you you found your place now you catch. make it pay a say in a little bit. catch white t. shirt catch phrase standards you call your ship and she like you they like we love you but when you step outside the door it's a possibility you want to come home. only is a sad but hands on a wall he already don't like you you just gotta pray that he is not

a killer you understand which is a a lot more in my cynical papa she wouldn't know a. polies really shot at polly's got a gun and you know it is just it's just too much we lose in our boys like. i don't know i think the younger i was on my own i would all mean i twenty twenty five. i am a bunch of young girls and old guy s. story is complete i really believe that real thank you. think. judy hills speaking to me in central london that's it for the show on wednesday we talk to both sides of the border question after the e.u. said island could sink any deal on such a deal that you would not try social media only back on wednesday eighty nine years and ten years to the day of two major wall street crash.

tracking gave americans a lot of new job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money i could make twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year truck so i chose to drive truck people rush to a small town in north dakota was an unemployment rate of zero percent like gold rush is very very similar to gold but this beautiful story ended with pollution and devastation a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here and just slow down so much they lost their jobs that laid off the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. and it's a tough reality and. it's official now jamal khashoggi died in the saudi consulate in turkey on october

second the person or persons responsible for his death is yet to be determined but one thing is certain this tragic story is far from a. prosecution will need to. be called where you. just try to find. somebody to i mean. political pressure on the. security in this. and those were the kind of business models used by american corporations. he's sold on good mental disease has . not seen. the solution. to. the dissociation. i noted when he saw those it is just simply his ability to make. an investigative documentary. ghost war

on oxy. for the usa instructing a landmark nuclear arms treaty with russia president troublous hawkish national security advisor right now john bolton in moscow for talks tell you about that. coming up to saudi arabia admits dissident journalist has shown he was murdered in the kingdom's consulate in istanbul but it's international pressure grows washington stop short of repercussions saying any talk of sanctions is mature. and toil and trouble are spelled night in new york as a company which is before my hexing ritual on supreme court judge bret can.