the violence that i have gone through because i have been facing somehow makes me what doctors call survivor i should not be here anymore because what i went through is somehow impossible to find when you are a single individual and namely because all the ones you trusted your colleagues your internal clients your management your company all are against you and obviously they are much more powerful because they are richer. well surrounded and they have the means to press where they can assess you need to say colored cheekily so this milgram cinnamon is extremely interesting because it means that when colleagues in a company are being told by their boss to do something they're just too weak because to boast that they had to do it a many of your french journalists have said to be but why did you decide not to

toss those documents why did you decide not to toss your cards and the question is why did the others do why did all the of those too. and when we come to the stakes of what whistleblowers do when it comes to tax dodging for instance there's a statistic in this book which is all of the press because this is a september twenty eighth dean figure where you talk about the amount of money we're talking about here which of course would have gotten the health service and lifesaving equipment and emergency services just describe what you mean with a hundred billion number one hundred. billion euros a year leave the country and it's a figure from the unions from that ministry in front finance and friends. obviously on the one side we are being told that we suffer a crisis that we have to reimburse the debt will sturdy hardy and on the other side

you have so many people. scaping. taxi is why do you know the whole thing is that everyone has to understand it's it's a big lie you know we're just axing jobs then the people with their jobs because apparently there is no money to. finance them because the administration has the money and on the other side is the people where just changing the tax jeter is the . wealthiest. clever tax. voiding companies because people would be doing that i don't know what your reaction is to the deputy prime minister of this country former deputy prime minister nick clegg becoming head of global affairs at facebook which i think the present government has been looking at for tightening tax measures because it only paid but there's a million pounds attacks in mumbai to six billion what is the reaction is exactly what i discovered these past ten years it's called connectivity it's

a network of people who you know they play in their little playground and they are them and they are the citizens somehow as if they were above the lowest. the laws they imposed to all the citizens we are aware for the country this is what's incredible because i thought that france was the only country where we had wrongdoings with minister is julius wrote the preface in your new book and as you know arguably one of the most famous facilitators of ritual blows it how did he come directly writes about like pompei oh what does it make you feel they're reading the preface of the book is. a journey in the road that last year not the text that you know i got yesterday morning and it's true that it's in that if you. like region two days ago well it sends me shivers because we all see what we face it's always the culture of impunity of lies the culture of

words but behind words they are only read only group of people who somehow play against the citizens with this a passage of information of secrecy we see it in the government we're just talking about might bump a one the american administration but we suffered the same you know in france and everywhere in europe we know that what we're saying is is right we know i know but people in promise to go to laboratories they know that you know some medication are really bad for people as health so now that we know what do we do and the one of the solutions there is to stand together and to be. united. because this is not what is supposed to be seven zero thank you thank you for your invitation. well big banks involved suitable companies maybe crushing dissent but is capitalism also crushing innovation jump and tourism a claim arms sales to saudi arabia or about jobs but

a new revolutionary field doing the rounds of labor's shadow cabinet suggests a more complex picture of an entire war system that stifles originality and the socially useful the plan endorsed by. britain's greatest director ken loach is by steve sprung steve welcome to going underground the news full of people going if we stopped selling arms to saudi arabia to bomb yemen there'd be no jobs in this country your film the plan seems to cast doubt or at least gives a completely different context to that question yes well yeah i mean the film is about a story that took place in the seventy's when workers were workers jobs were threatened and they worked in the armed industry and they faced exactly that that question out what do what do we do do we make comes or try to continue to make arms or do we try to make something else and they came up with a complete alternative to make products which was socially useful which you and

products which are environmentally sustainable and so what they did was they developed a whole range of products is the workers themselves all their claims in the works on the factory floor developed one hundred fifty ideas into beauty products that were feasible products that could be made using their skills and their equipment they they you know they put out a questionnaire to the workers around the factories they came in with all these ideas and the products included when the wind turbine because it's very close thing to go from what they were produce in which used to bonds for military jets to shift that over to win two points is a quite simple operation you know the things they develop with things like a hybrid car we stay then went on to actually build with the university department later on heat pumps which are larry days seemed to be the answer to how how do you create energy with low consumption levels and also a lot of ideas to which low cost energy efficient housing there the main ideas talked about in the film for example in total one hundred fifty products which

broached across medical equipment as well but the main emphasis was on this idea that all the products should be socially and environmentally sustainable and move our member this is in the mid ninety's seventy's that will be. ideas which we developed as feasible possibilities instead of making oh tell me how this fits into a context within your fill of people know perhaps a fascist connections to pinochet but all of them you charge with chile dictatorship in portugal new liberalism as well as ignoring climate change are in the film covers a sort of range period of history in which that was taking place and the period of history really talking about is the ended the. post-war consensus the end of keynesianism and it was at that point in time historically you had the beginnings of the new liberal or the senate seat of near liberalism in this country it certainly came to the fore when the government had to go and borrow money from the

i.m.f. and were put in diversity strict conditions they had they could you know they had to cut back on government spending there to make a lot of cuts etc cetera i mean accepted that whole notion that you're going to squeeze down the economy public spending all those assets they were early years the results show this is proof that charity also actually the whole process what kade to be called factories and is merely the continuation of that i mean a lot of people will talk about the fact that you had thatcherism post that truism tony blair kind of continued with the same policies but actually what this film talks about looks at is the fact that the policies were actually prefigured even in a pre labor government project because so much longer process that process that sort of forty year period of neo liberalism which you know which is kind of now run its course with the two thousand and eight crash started at precisely that time all those things basically got the film is in

a sense is about the fact that all these ideas that with their very strongly at that time had to be destroyed for near liberalism to take place and we have lucas aerospace workers actually being able to see. the stifling of innovation that happens through capitalism people know today steve jobs who appears in in your film and think of them as great innovators something because theirs was discovering the balance sheets and realizing presumed like apple workers haven't. how far these big companies these great business success stories are basically subsidized by ordinary people that was an important part of what they did as well they really talk about it in the film they talk about the fact that. not only did they did both products but they start in looking at the company they started looking at the fact and one of them at one point quotes and he says ok they made hundred twenty five million profit over and over they paid ten thousand five hundred in tax and then the next

line is grants received from the government. ten million for really tax grants received from the government ten million three hundred s. and so pretty much the exact amount that they paid in taxes then being given back to them by the government pay no tax at all so essentially what you've got is a situation where companies that need the whole development of companies the process the development of new technologies access to research or is funded by the government set up with the same apple a lot of all the products that apple developed and all of the framework apple works on the internet except for it's all funded by in that case the american government you know is all of that to join the elenium blocks that don't work without government spending all that all that or all that technology will development huge amounts of it is publicly funded where is the image we get is that it's these private entrepreneurs are actually creating all these innovative ideas and they're

not is actually could is being developed in public institutions in research facilities in university researcher and then those companies are piggybacking on to that make invest profit from it and there's an argument who says well they're not then pain in their taxes back on their moving their taxes to of shore hafe so they get in money coming from the government they're not then paying taxes that the whole thing is you know going in one direction so what the lucas workers were about was saying ok rather than pop. money going to make profit for private individuals and private companies if that money's coming from the public purse it should be used and we should look at how we use that money to the public interest me to me that's what the important thing is about their story they start with a very simple idea why don't we make things just so should we use for other profit and then you start to pick the whole thing and you start to get all those relationships between production for profit toward the end of it to control resources and the environment get destroyed in the process you're in the film that

tries to talk through the whole range of the connected this if those things through a simple story which starts with a very simple idea. thank you and you can catch the plan at the lisbon film festival dr bowen the twenty seventh of october after the break what you going to do when the world's on fire from knife crime to grenfell to stop and search cattle we learned about institutional u.k. prejudice from the usa all the support going up about doing going underground. you know world of big partisan. and conspiracies it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the

truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. prosecution will need to become almost. where you push. this thread you'll find. somebody to see do i mean. political pressure on the. security jennifer nance with the bundled up business models used by american corporations. police. said if. a dissociation. i knew good he saw it is just somebody with to me to be. an investigative

documentary. ghost more. welcome back to turn on the t.v. sets in any major nation and you'll likely see condemnation of trump's usa based on identity politics tension but if we ignore the breathless near liberals maybe we can hear that the rot set in long ago and london is just like the people of louisiana depicted in a new documentary may recognize stories of different life and death outcomes that are determined by clubs and we went to the mayfair rotel in london to talk to one of the stars of what you're going to do when the world's on fire judy hill to talk about where clause and race interests act judy over here gentrification is a big issue poor areas bar as

a community people are being moved out in favorable to the national companies what happened to your bow wow my bar. had a bar for three and a half years or was pretty girl and it first started a war or maybe that eight months after being in a bar it was. number. wise in wall-e. after eight. about a year now i have it was number eight. just before i left but five months before i left it was number five best bars in new orleans. the young lady she was on but like people it's on my blank people. and. she had a problem with me because every commercial comes to the wall who's they want to shoot stuff and that the war she won and all of all the money it would anything you know whatever so there's always the money issue and money always when you know it

is pretty sad so she had to offer. some guys came around i guy offered her you know. we'll pay you two thousand and she paying twelve hundred or whatever because i had them at the spa popular but after a while after she kicked me out the door and everything come to find out the guy didn't want to be in an area. she went to give it to some other people it is about money yeah but in the film you're talking about slavery to really badly and you talk about how to break a slave it's really the new slavery because kanye west was with donald trump saying the thirteenth amendment didn't go far enough your take a slightly different to that when i spoke about a right the slave there was a book i read. and that's what it was about breaking slaves had a comb black people down and. put them in have

a minute are they not this kind of stuff so i mean slavery slavery is no way you can sugarcoat it. not them on it but you know how the media in the united states talks about american society how can you possibly can today as everyday life for african-americans or people of color with a time of slavery. i can compare it because i feel like it's the same way. i mean it from aniston in question right it's this very same thing. no difference only when we're changing it's pretty scary for us what are. we lose to at least in the every day you know just in my neighborhood i can pretty much say it's not always k.k.k. skill and always that. be black on black. but is it comes from

a point from where there was never no happiness in the house when it was a baby because the mom was already worked up the parts she raised dollars to purchase the whole house is the price. and i found the whole comeback from way back when my grandmother was young the price corrects slavery that the mentality of one of the people in the film as you're talking about these issues says that it was like suddenly in the one nine hundred eighty s. the drugs and guns poor in these cities and it was that when welcome wix was giving speeches about black power like power is one of the themes of the film. how did suddenly happen in the movie days he's like how not what happened. i don't know i really don't know but i don't know that's what drugs came in i remember that i was a teenager i would say ninety eight. hour remember that crack up

epidemic that hit. it was worth it in katrina for new orleans because you prichard there was already no food in the house in here come this time what drug. and whatever you came good you left somebody in a family and i don't. we instead call it pain killing as time went on it every family i was in there. you know. we didn't need it but we we did it when i went in and before nineteen eighteen we never knew nothing about cracking based in. fact i don't know what could have been with that with the new black friends of the film would presumably wars in central america. drugs coming from yeah because

we don't have it but now it's in every family why black japanese everybody get high. now they look in a helpful way. when you get to the white community like oh well. these people are. they then i don't feel they have mental problems now that it's in the white house and white person but as we brought down dope fiends the and everything and still and we are the same habits so why and how could you call me i don't fini you when you're black on black crime crime in london is reportedly high. in new york murder in particular actually. but often it is just as getting a black on black crime. how easy to do you think is it for the government to dismiss murder of where that occurs in one community over another and then i mean where i'm from i can't speak for everyone because i know that there are gangs in

your i don't have games there i don't. we live in war i live in a thinks war that's seven war the war my have the seven war beef in with the war beef it mean we've got a problem with each other you don't come out in a six war i can come in a step or where i'm from as nothing to do in new orleans you know there's no wall there is no game room and we have one way the matter of whatever airs no is nothing for these kids to do with these people in wallace they depress you can't see you cry in. snow well you can go to jail you won't get a record when you. twelve years old you got there were going to automatically i mean you get that quick again you get a driver's license or a good education you won't get that credit you won't get a wreck of

a trust. and in french our own neighborhood. mandatory will get you where ups most of the time you're going to get and i'm sure was all over you know and now that's one of the things about the pact with the panthers was talking about how the police kill in the asian children you know and how their racist stuff is really really bad and the reason why i can say i have a have a never went anywhere because my mom is eighty nine and she told me that it never change. in every year is going to get stronger and strong enough why she has you know it's a it's getting really really bad you know because we read cases here of russian charles mark duggan people of color short by police and in britain why do you think it was the police are acquitted because mostly up most of them is why we

don't have a voice and we scared to death follow boy as i was just. as nothing for want our kids to go to the store and no don't make it back home because the police feel i feel a need to draw down shoot i'm. not going to jail it's going on everywhere is that race is that you've got the races in the cohen house you've got the races paulie's you've got the k.k.k. instead doctors you've got the k.k.k. it's all over the plate. you know less than any given k.k.k. is were they that naturally evil you know. and. that's the scary thing you know and the reason why they get acquitted because like people never did of oh we don't stay in for nothing in the eyes of these people

have been changed you know it is just. as everywhere i don't for the life of me and it makes me want to cry some time because. we don't know. we don't we are looked up we are looked up on air as animals. it's heartbreaking you go in a place. i've been to. venice. it's my first time travelling in my life fifty one years old. and i'm my first thought is. these people like me. so i got a put on me but i don't know how to produce in. me. but i have i watch my friends or my friends not my color so i moved behind them when i mean as opposed to be in front of. a sponsor always look at myself as

a queen no matter what it's a matter of one or get me around. the queen of england. always staying on silent not their. mistake. and i move around with these people. and i'm like white many of us might at i want to be accepted i want i want the slam play when you walk out. when i walk in the door you're like hey judy shipman i want i want that everywhere because i give it a picture that has been of like me. or a gay player that you like the players because it may show a little girl for the girls in. my she always. is sent you can even buy a code ring would she like you and there is the for you you found your place down in cash three it's. making the girl pay and say in a little bit catch white t.

shirt on catchphrase standards you call you ship him she like you they like we love you but when you step outside the door it's a possibility you want to come home. at the sight but hands on a wall he already don't like him you just gotta pray that he is not a killer you understand which is that we're in the middle up should know. polies really shot at police got a gun and you know it is just it's just too much we lose in our boys like i don't know i think the younger i was on my own i would all mean i twenty twenty five. bunch of young girls all guys. really believe that jill thank you. thank you judy hill speaking to me in

central london that's it for the show on wednesday we talk to both sides of the border question up to the e.u. said island could sink any deal on such a deal that you would not try social media only back on wednesday as you knowing me is ten years to the day of two major wall street crash. it's official now jamal khashoggi died in the saudi consulate in turkey on october second the person or persons responsible for his death is yet to be determined but one thing is certain this tragic story is far from. you know world of big partisan movie lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and

shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. cranking gave americans a lot of new job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money i could make twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year girl with a truck so i chose to grow. truck people rush to a small town in north dakota was an unemployment rate of zero percent like gold rush is very very similar to. this beautiful story with pollution and

devastation a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here anymore slow down so much they lost jobs got laid off the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. it's a tough reality the only. reason . to. feel. to see.

twelve euros fifty. six pm monday evening or moscow headlining this with the u.s. saying it's dropping the nuclear arms treaty with russia president hawkish national security advisor john bolton here in moscow for talks tonight. off as well saudi arabia admits dissidents journalist. was murdered in the kingdom's consulate in istanbul but as international pressure grows washington stop short of repercussions any talk of sanctions is premature. and in the u.k. treason may soon to give. up questioning. its prime minister.