on us ten you're on the u.s. supreme court be impacted by tonight's ceremony or is he going to be protected by that catholic mass conducted by an exorcist or is this all just a bunch of silly superstition that means absolutely nothing well like with most spiritual matters there's no way to be absolutely sure but what we can be sure of is that americans are increasingly becoming divided caleb mop and r.t. new york. i was almost to can follow that is there a look from moscow this hour thanks very much for watching we'll be back to update you on our developing stories this monday the nuclear talks in moscow on the brics a debate that's finished in the past hour or so and at westminster it's a resume a busy trying to convince m.p.'s and she's got everything in hand i'm calling this is r.t. international. and

i'm after it if you want you're going on the run of the evil results from swiss multinational investment bank u.b.s. coming up on the show the woman who knew too much in person u.b.s. whistleblower stephanie gibeau on the lies and corruption of capitalism and do we really need to be selling arms to the saudis to bomb in yemen we speak to the director of the new film the plan about workers fighting back against new liberal government policy. plus the new orleans star documentary and what you're going to do when the world's on fire on the battle scars of social plans racism and violence from louisiana to london the first ahead of tomorrow's u.b.s. bank results joining me is the b.s. whistleblower stephanie zebo who fought a battle for her life after uncovering a trail of corruption at the investment bank her book whistleblower is the man and is out now stephanie i've got to ask you first of all how you change from being

a luxury brand liaise or person at the bank and you turned into someone who was preventing u.b.s. from shredding documents into a new it well high thing then you know you somehow have values and whatever your job might be one day you just decide not to be complex of things you discover because if i had known that my job as a p.r. person as a public creation person was to help friends clients to evade tax i would never have taken the position it's because i was asked to delete those documents that i asked. myself what could be wrong and i you know pulled a thread and they made bankers explain to me that indeed i was like you know like a spider in the middle of a big incredible world wide. world would. you make it sound so easy there but in the book you recall the psychological

experiment the milgram syndrome so there are other workers maybe watching this who maybe work for but i don't know the big four ordered to go because well you raise the subject of the milgram syndrome you might have to explain the experiment because the violence that i have gone through because of what i have been facing somehow makes me what doctors call survivor i should not be here anymore because what i went through is somehow impossible to find when you are a single individual and namely because all the ones you trusted your colleagues your internal clients your management your company all are against you and obviously they are much more powerful because they are rich or. well surrounded and they have the means to press where they can assess in age you psychology clearly so this milgram cinnamon is extremely interesting because it

means that when colleagues in a company are being told by their boss to do something they're just too early because they had to do it or many of your french journalists have said to me but why did you decide not to toss those documents why did you decide not to toss the archives and the question is why did the others do why did all the others too. and when we come to the stakes of what whistleblowers do when it comes to tax dodging for instance there's a statistic in this book which is all of the press because this is a september twenty eighth dean figure way you talk about the amount of money we're talking about here which of course would have gotten the health service and lifesaving equipment and emergency services just describe what you mean with a hundred billion number one hundred. billion euros a year leave the country and it's

a figure from the unions from that ministry in front finance and friends. obviously on the one side we are being told that we suffer a crisis that we have to reimburse the debt stary us hardy and on the other side you have so many people. scaping. taxi is why do you know the whole thing is that everyone has to understand it's it's a big lie you know we're just axing jobs then the people lose their jobs because apparently there is no money to. finance them because the administration has no money and on the other side is the people where just chasing the text cheater is the. wealthiest. clever tax. voiding companies because people would be doing that i don't know what your reaction is to the deputy prime minister of this country former deputy prime minister nick clegg becoming

head of global affairs of facebook which i think the present government has been looking at for tightening tax measures because it only paid but there's a million pounds attacks in mumbai to six billion what is the reaction it's exactly what i discovered this past ten years it's called connectivity it's a network of people who you know they play in their little playground and they are them and they are the citizens somehow as if they were above the lowest. the laws they imposed to all the citizens we are aware for the country this is what's incredible because i thought that france was the only country where we had wrongdoings with minister is julian assange wrote the preface in your new book and as you know arguably one of the most famous facilitators of resul blows it how did he come to write the write about like bomb peo what does it make you feel they're reading the preface whether the book is. a journey in the road that last year not

the text that you know i got yesterday morning and it's true that it's in that if you. like region two days ago well it sends me shivers because we all see what we face it's always the culture of impunity of lies the culture of words but behind words there are only really little group of people who somehow play against the citizens with this a pest of information of secrecy we see it in the government we're just talking about might bump a one the american mystery should that we suffered the same you know in france and everywhere in europe we know that what we're saying is is right we don't know but people in the promise to go to laboratories they know that you know some medication are really bad for people whose health they're not as we know what do we do and the one of the solutions there is to stand together and to be. united.

because this is not what is supposed to be several thank you thank you for your invitation. well big banks involved suitable companies maybe crushing dissent it is capitalism also crushing innovation jump and tourism a claim arms sales to saudi arabia are about jobs but a new revolutionary field doing the rounds of labor's shadow cabinet suggests a more complex picture of an entire war system that stifles originality and the socially useful the plan endorsed way out. britain's greatest director ken loach is by steve sprong steve welcome to going underground the news full of people going if we stopped selling arms to saudi arabia to bomb yemen there'd be no jobs in this country your film the plan seems to cast doubt or at least gives a completely different context to that question yes well yeah i mean the film is about a story that took place in the seventy's when workers were workers jobs were threatened

and they worked in the arms industry and they faced exactly that that question and what do what do what do we do do we make comes or try to continue to make arms or do we try to make something else and they came up with a complete alternative to make products which were socially useful and products which are environmentally sustainable and so what they did was they developed a whole range of products is the workers themselves all the times that worked on the factory floor developed a hundred fifty ideas into beauty products that were feasible products that could be made using their skills and their equipment they they you know they put out a questionnaire to the workers around the factories they came in with all these ideas and the products included when the wind turbine because it's very close thing to go from what they were produce in which used to bonds for military jets to shift that over to win two points is a quite simple operation you know the things they develop with things like a hybrid car which they then went on to actually build with the university department later on heat pumps which eleven days seemed to be the answer to how how

do you create energy with low consumption levels and also a lot of ideas towards low cost energy efficient housing there the main ideas talked about in the film for example in total one hundred fifty products which broached across medical equipment as well but the main emphasis was on this idea that all the products should be socially and environmentally sustainable and move our member this is in the mid ninety's seventy's all these ideas which we developed as feasible possibilities instead of making up tell me how this fits into a context within your fill. of people know perhaps a fascist connections to pinochet but all of them hugh john is with chile dictator in portugal new liberalism as well as ignoring climate change in the film covers a sort of range period of history in which that was taking place and the period of history really talking about is the ended the. post-war consensus the end of

keynesianism and it was at that point in time historically you had the beginnings of the new liberal or the senate seat near liberalism in this country it certainly came to the fore when the government had to go and borrow money from the i.m.f. and we do very strict conditions that they had they could you know they had to cut back on government spending they had to cut make a lot of cuts etc cetera i mean accepted that whole notion that you're going to squeeze down the economy public spending all those assets they were early years the results show this is proof that you're it also actually the whole process what kade to be called factories and is merely the continuation of that i mean a lot of people talk about the fact that you had thatcherism post that truism tony blair kind of continued with the same policies but actually what this film talks about looks at is the fact that the policies were actually prefigured even in a pre labor government project that you so it's been

a longer process that process that sort of forty year period of neo liberalism which you know which is kind of now run its course with the two thousand and eight crash started at precisely the time all those things basically got the film is in a sense is about the fact that all these ideas that with their very strongly at that time had to be destroyed for near liberalism to take place and we have lucas aerospace workers actually being able to see the stifling of innovation that happens through capitalism people know today steve jobs who appears in in your film and think of them as great innovators some of you were look at this with discovering the balance sheets and realizing presumed like apple workers haven't. how far these big companies these great business success stories are basically subsidized by ordinary people that was an important part of what they did as well they really talk about it in the film they talk about the fact that. not only did

they did both products but they start in looking at a company they started looking at the fact and one of them at one point quotes and he says ok they made hundred twenty five million profit over and over they paid ten thousand five hundred in tax and then the next line is grants received from the government. ten million for really tax grants received from the government ten million three hundred s. and so pretty much the exact amount that they paid in taxes then being given back to them by the government pay no tax at all so essentially what you've got is a situation where companies that need the whole development of companies the process the development of new technologies access to research or is funded by the government set up with the same apple a lot of all the products that apple developed and all of the framework apple works on the internet except it's all funded by in that case the american government you know is all of that to join the union blocks that don't work without government

spending all that all that all or all that technology will development huge amounts of it is publicly funded where is the image we get is that it's these private entrepreneurs are actually creating all these innovative ideas and they're not as actually is being developed in public institutions in research facilities university sector and then those companies are piggybacking on to that making vast profits from it and there's an argument who says well they're not then pain in their taxes back on their moving their taxes the offshore hafe so they get in money coming from the government they're not then paying taxes so the whole thing is you know going in one direction so what the lucas workers were about was saying ok rather than pop. money going to make profit for private individuals and private companies if that money's coming from the public it should be used and we should look at how we use that money to the public interest me to me that's what the

important thing is about this story they start with a very simple idea why don't we make things just so should we throw the profit and then you start to pick the whole thing and you start to get all those relationships between production for profit toward the end if you control resources and the environment get destroyed in the process you're the film that tries to talk through the whole range of the connected this if those things through a simple story which starts with a very simple idea so it's wrong thank you and you can catch the plan at the lisbon film festival dock lebeau on the twenty seventh of october after the break what you going to do when the world's on fire from knife crime to grenfell to stop and search how do we learn about institutional u.k. prejudice from the usa all the support going up about to going underground. definitely on the deep dollar ization camp they are warning goal they're building

a goal see play two d. dollar rise they are looking for the dollar. trade significantly and. welcome back to turn on the t.v. sets in any major nation and you'll likely see condemnation of trump's usa based on identity politics tension but if we ignore the breathless near liberals maybe we can hear that the rot set in long ago and londoners just like the people of louisiana depicted in a new documentary recognize may. stories of different life and death outcomes of the determined by class and color we went to the mayfair otel in london to talk to one of the stars of what you're going to do when the world's on fire judy hill to

talk about where clause and race and just act judy over here gentrification is a big issue poor areas was a run by a community of people who are being moved out in favorable to the local police what happened to your book while my bar was. at the bar for three and a half years or was pretty girl and i first got to the number maybe that eight months after being in a for it was number number of fifteen best bars in new orleans after eight months at the party year and i have it was number eight. just before i left about five months before i left it was number five best bars in new orleans. the young lady she was on but like people it's on my blank people. and. she had a problem with me because every commercial comes to the wall has their own issues

that the board she wanted all of all the money in with anything you know whatever so there's always the money issue and money always when. you know it is pretty sad so she had to offer. some guys came around i got offered her you know. we'll pay you two thousand she pain twelve hundred whatever because i had them at the spa popular but after a while that she kicked me out the door and everything come to find out the guy didn't want to be in an area. she went and given it to some other people it is about money yeah but in the film you were talking about slavery to money partly and you talk about how to break a slave it's really the new slavery because kanye west was with donald trump saying that thirteenth amendment didn't go far enough your take a slightly different to that when i spoke about a right the slave there was a book i read i will hey. and that's what it was about breaking slaves have

a comb black people down and. put them in have a minute are they not this kind of stuff so i mean slavery slavery has no way you can sugarcoat it you can't throw nothing on it but you know how the media in the united states talks about american society how can you possibly can today as everyday life for african-americans or people of color with a time of slavery. i can compare it because i feel like it's the same way. i mean it from aniston in question right it's just very same thing. no difference only when with chains it's pretty scary for us without. we lose to at least in the every day you know just in my neighborhood i can pretty much say it's

not always k.k.k. skill and always that black have it be black on black. but is it comes from a point from where there was never no happiness in the house when it was a baby because the mom was already worked up the parts she raised five dollars to purchase the whole house is the price. and how the whole comeback from way back when my grandmother was young the price corrects slavery that the mentality of one of the people in the film as you're talking about these issues says that it was like suddenly in the one nine hundred eighty s. the drugs and guns poor in these days and it was that when we welcome wix was giving speeches about black power power as one of the themes of the film. how did it suddenly happen in the navy days like that how not what happened. i don't know i

really don't know but i don't know that's when the drugs came in i remember that i was a teenager i would say ninety eight. hour remember that crack up epidemic that hit that it was worse of a katrina for new orleans because you prichard there was already no food in the house in here come this time what drugs. and whatever you came good you left somebody in a family and i don't. we instead call it painkillers as time went on it every family i was in there. you know. we didn't need it but we we did it but when i went in and before nineteen it we never knew nothing about cracking based in. fact i don't know what could have been with there was

a new black francis of the realm would preserve its wars in central america. rocks coming from yeah because we don't have it but now it's in every family why black athletes everybody get high. now they look in a helpful way when they get to the white community like oh well. these people are. they they're not don't feel they have mental problems now that it's in the white house and white person what has been brought down dope fiends that when everything and still in it we are the same happened so why and how could you call me i don't fini you when you're black on black crime crime in london is reportedly high. in new york murder in particular actually. but often it is just miss is getting black on black crime. how easy do you think it is for the government to dismiss

murder of were there because it would community over to them and then i mean where i'm from i can't speak for everyone because i know that there are gangs and you don't have gains there i don't. we live in war i live in the six war that's seven war the war my have the seven war beef in with the war beef it mean we've got a problem with each other you don't come out in a six war i can come in seven or where i'm from as nothing to do in new orleans you know there's no wall there is no game room and we have one way the matter whatever there's no is nothing for these kids to do with these people in wallace they depress you can't see you cry in. snow well you can go to jail you don't get a record when you twelve years old you got there were going to automatically i mean

you get that quick again you get a driver's license or a good education you don't get that. you won't get a record for trespassing and in french up own neighborhood. mandatory you can get your. cops. most of the time. you're going to get and i'm sure it's all over you know and now that's one of the things about the pact with the panthers was talking about how the police kill in the asian children. and how their racist stuff is really really bad and the reason why i can say i have a have a never went anywhere because my mom is eighty nine and she told me that it never change. in the in every year it's going to get stronger and strong enough why she has you know it's a it's getting really really bad you know because it we read cases here of

a russian charles moore dog and people of color short by police and in britain why do you think it was the police or acquitted because mostly up most of them is why we don't have a voice and we scared to death for our boy it's as i was just saying. is nothing for one our kids to go to the store and no don't make it back home because the police feel i feel a need to draw down. that no go in jail it's going on everywhere is that race is that you got the racism a cold house you got the races police you've got the k.k.k. instead doctors you've got the k.k.k. it's all over the plate. you know the name they give him k.k.k. is where they do that naturally evil you know. and. that's the scary thing you know and the reason why they get acquitted because like people

never did of oh we don't stay in for nothing in the eyes of these people have been changed you know it is just. as everywhere i don't for the life of me and it makes me want to cry some because. we don't know. we don't we are looked up we are looked up on air as animals. it's heartbreaking you go in a place. i've been to venice. it's my first time traveling in my fifty one years old. and i'm my first thought it's time. to speak of my. so i got a put on but i don't know how to produce an excuse me. but i have i watch my friends or my friends not my color so i'm moved behind me and when i'm in

a supposed to be in front of. a spa so i always look at myself as a queen no matter what it's a matter of who are get me around the queen of england sports always stand on silent not under. a mistake. and i move around with these people. and i'm like white man here was my. i want to be accepted i want i want the slam play when you walk out when i walk in the door you like judy shipman i want i want that everywhere because i give it a picture that has been of like me. or a gay player that you like the players because. it may show a little girl for the girls in. my she always a if sent you can't even buy a code ring would she like you and there is the style for you you found your place

down in cash three it's. making the girl pay and say in a little bit catch white t. shirt on catchphrase standards you call your ship and she like you they like we love you but when you step outside the door it's a possibility you want to come home. i decide but hands on a wall he already don't like you you just gotta pray that he is not a killer you understand which and that were him to me papa she would not like. polly's really shot at polly's got a gun and you know it is just it's just too much we lose in our boys like i don't know i think the young girls are one that will mean a twenty twenty five. bunch of young girls.

really believe that jill thank you. thank you judy hill speaking to me in central london that's it for the show on wednesday we talk to both sides of the border question after the e.u. said could sink any deal such a deal that he would not try social media back on wednesday as you know is. the day of two major wall street crash. it's official now died in the saudi consulate in turkey on october second the person or persons responsible for his death is yet to be determined but one thing is certain this tragic story is far from.

with the u.s. planning to drop out from a landmark nuclear arms treaty with russia president trump's hawkish national security advisor has just wrapped up several high level meetings with russian officials in moscow a live report coming up. how the arabiya admits dissident journalists. in the kingdom. but as international pressure grows washington stopped short of repercussions saying any talk of sanctions is premature. and the british prime minister moves to convince parliament that progress is being made on breaks it he's condemning the intensified pressure being put on to resume a.