following saudi arabia's admission over the death of. put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. so when you want to be present. to go i believe this is like them before three of the more people. interested in the water.

flowing well come across or all things considered i'm peter lavelle it's official now died in the saudi consulate in turkey on october second the person or persons responsible for his death is yet to be determined but one thing is certain this tragic story is far from old. talking some real news i'm joined by my guest mark hughes an international affairs and security analyst we also have to he's a political analysts was. international and we have glenn these and he is

a professor of the higher school of economics as well as the author of the decay of western civilization and we surgeons of russia originally cross-like rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it glenn in the future we're going to do a review of your book but we're going to stick with this story here mark who are the winners who are the losers here and where do you think this is going to go. well the ultimate loser is of course the journalists intelligence affiliates jamal. regime dissident insider yeah yeah i mean he's he's been a fervent member of the muslim brotherhood something that if you mention you are part of the right wing whisper smear campaign against against him he was a real threat later he was able to play area he was involved with the cia and former saudi intelligence vice he was opposed to the most recent he was the

protege of the former intelligence official of saudi arabia the head of their intelligence and since the fall of the saudi arabia's fallout with the muslim brotherhood during the arab spring he has since been excised from power and became an actual dissident against the saudi government he was also affiliated with the cia obviously the u.s. is losing here israel doesn't want to see him go the big beneficiaries that i see are turkey which is in a type of rivalry for neal autumn an influence in the arab world with with saudi arabia it's kind of the non-market as monarchist political islamicists of turkey the muslim brotherhood against the wall hobbist absolute ists and also by being defacto allied with turkey now again saudi arabia qatar benefits and i think you could say that russia and iran are sitting in the. backwardly laughing. i would

definitely agree with mark that turkey would be probably the biggest winner so far and. been stumbling around for the last couple of years and making mistake after mistake but in this instance i think to play their cards quite well and improve relations with the united states in the process when we could say the release of that pastor yes and they would but. i guess but at the same time putting the united states in a bit of a difficult position know us. deliberately began leaking this quite slowly you know first giving you enough time for the saudis driven. giving enough time for the saudis to say that no one actually left the consulate and leaving enough time for trying to say we definitely believe the saudis and then the next information comes out where they actually leaked will say that they have the audiotapes and now the saudi has to change your story trying to tell again that i believe their new story as well so elusive holding is pulling every one of their

noses with this new york here. you know but this isn't over yet right because there are a lot of players i mean it's also become a domestic issue to some degree in the united states where you have members of congress that just because the riposte donald trump are going to be take a hard line on saudi arabia here go ahead well let's remind our viewers they're actually had their cooperation between the united states and saudi regime started l. ward. a bomb or bomb put money into saudi arabia for years well i mean it's always since the second world war if you ask me who is the we know our understanding all of the western system and all we see billeted itself with slugs and murderous our understanding is is that we because actually i just love this explanation that what. the consulate and he walked into

a brawl into a condo we're getting fifteen guys here with you know you can see three of the almost body guards will just have mind if you have during them why did on them why then demonstrations which of where in fact there are three american and best of us are all to left of the new york times writing keep in mind that mr young drunk since no wonder that the demonstrators wanted to be impatient they forgot to add the patient demonstrate the skill to it to a policeman right and later on they called it a peaceful transfer of power well i think you have a good point our understanding of how it works i think that's a really good point here. but i think never before has been there's so much spotlight on saudi arabia they don't like it i've always said in american media say very little about israel and never say anything about saudi arabia and now they're talking about a lot the other big loser out of all of this is the western mainstream media hacks

and i think tanks that are funded by saudi arabia that dominate washington. for years now for over a well over a year for starting in the obama and the end of the obama administration are moving into day the western mainstream media has gosh that about the liberal reformer mohammad bin solomon i think thomas friedman great literally love with him and wanted to come out and so he really is sticking by his dreams into theater which i've seen recently and now you know. not one of them can really admit that they were wrong in their their serve on oil you know white washing of muhammad bin solomon in saudi arabia i mean we're talking about a country that regularly they behead people like every day they cut the heads off of women they claim are witches and dissidents all over the place they conduct assassinations of dissidents all over the world. and we're starting like going to

act shocked because the child the interesting thing for me glenn is that you know i on this program we have talked about the nature of the saudi regime quite openly and regularly particularly when we were discussing syria over the last years. but it seems that only belatedly. because the river years in the spotlight the people are beginning to talk a little bit more about yemen which we've profiled very often here you know if i only took this internal squabble. or you characterize it so to get is elegance i think fighting amongst themselves and then and we wait for the purge ok and who's going to come out on top of these and you know what i want to keep it there is a human issue i mean it is getting a little bit more of a spotlight because you're talking about you know the ones mishaps over the years and foreign policy well the crown prince of saudi arabia the same thing has been happening to him and gross mishaps under his nominal rule go ahead well you could

to the list of possible winners there are so well given that they're finally. there so i think this could do well depending on what happens then the whole of this saudi arabia could reduce some pressure because there's a lot of people moving now again so there are a bit within the u.s. and we've talked about before that there's a huge toric well that depends who is some i think. mr graham i think it's i mean i think i think you have rand paul you know here i think you have much more fun as authoritative it was a big moment for me here at lindsey graham say that he wants the same question the hell out of saudi arabia i was like why not the old car versus what have the game. i mean let me go all decided to go by friedman a ball there arab spring please don't. do that because i mean there's no this is this is political political pornography but go ahead so much freedom was one old

boy who followed in halls always reformist ideas coming from a leader of an arab state so he couldn't stand it for more than twelve dollars you know. and so it will have been solemn he he said let me let me just called it again you should be a. full trust these prints but you should be a fool not to root for him or did for him because as you wrote down we women would be driving yes women will be driving and he will be killing and this is exactly what almost friedman was a routine for in his article in b.s. what is his future he's wounded which was going to happen. i guess the best decision for the saudi family would be to get rid of him especially make him the fall guy here because so far they try to get rid of a couple of top officials you know. brush the whole issue under the rug so i don't think that's going to happen so at the end of the. it depends how much you know

whether or not they are able to or willing to push him aside if. lindsey lindsey graham thing i thought was kind of interesting because. the the american intelligence community had other candidates and i think that lindsey you know i think tucker carlson to the new and improved to lindsey graham these would be the cabinet and hearings but now lindsey is back with his neo con ideas and i think that is it's not because of the tragedy in in this case i'm going to lose because something clumsy exists that they're embarrassed by by now their relationship with saudi arabia and that's what's bothering them more than the death of. i think they would be happy to see. and replaced with mohamed bin i-f. the former crown prince who was the kind of the cia's man in saudi arabia have been openly said that he wanted he wanted to go well you know john and the boys had to

do it you know we're going to do the man's name here but i think that if saudi or if the king sticks by his guns and refuses to remove his son then they will quietly be paypal that it papered over i don't expect u.s. support in yemen to decrease i don't expect the u.s. or european arm sales to decrease i do expect the fury from the washington press corps to increase though because why they are so outraged the way they weren't about the men and they weren't about anywhere it's one of theirs he was one of their and he has you know paid the price for be included in that circle and that is the course of their fury we had some eleven twelve journalists and media workers killed in post my don puts ukraine not a word said about them because they want their journey so i can see no i don't expect a new reaction a new substantial action against muhammad been solemn because we have

a precedent. of the former president of georgia this week he was accused with proof by the georgian prosecutor's office or didn't last and why did the killing of his political opponent. really back in two thousand and eight before that strangely garage mining his other main political opponent died mishandling the rain you're leaving meaning it's going to be sweaty still chilling with temps in a book i couldn't find this see i'm going to put it on you had we got it already break out after our short break we'll continue our discussion on real news. when else should seem wrong. but old rules just don't call. me all

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ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bad and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let me go back to glenn here let's finish up on the story with saudi arabia now i just want to point out. it's fun to mock friedman for his somewhat absurd article

but this is not something you don't use this in kicking of understatement if you if you if you look at for some of the new york times or other publications through the decades since the fifty's and sixty's making apologies for not just published for saudi arabia but they've been also calling them reformers form. for about seventy years now it's. it's gone on for a while they're always equally enthusiastic and it kind of goes back to the other for united states saudi arabia is a very important ally for many reasons oil let's put that on top and but also they're in the barest meant so you need a little bit of propaganda to bridge the difference between who they are i mean why do you really begs the question in people who've looked at authoritarian totalitarian societies. attempting to reform them only. does the entire system itself here i mean the house of saud is that it's based on my hobbies and i

don't see in the light into a hard business or something like that i don't. really believe the masses did mean to say that they're actually reforming i think it's a politically expedient to portray her as you're being in the process of reforming and going to get. their saudi consulate is a good example of reform thirty seconds we're going to move on to another topic let me remind our viewers there their medical press actually has sided with holland been so long in march this year when trump started talking about coming out of syria remember where coming out of syria very still and very still and let the people take care of it then the mainstream media prays to muhammad bin someone for urging the united states to fulfill their duty and stay in syria so tell me who your enemy is and i'll tell you who you are with the any of us like mohammad been solved maybe. that is not such a bad man. but this is something that the mainstream media just doesn't mention who

did barter also have to fight the people who kill their citizens in the consulates it's very very good point i want to move on here guys donald trump has just recently announced that the united states i guess unilaterally is going to be leaving the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty the what's known as the i and fear for me that's a very. sad and depressing moment hearing that coming from the president because we're running the nonproliferation regime that has been pushed for decades is coming rapidly to an end i mean with what i find even more disappointing is that there is not even the overture to sit down and negotiate it if both sides have issues with it but no mark they're just going to walk away from it and i think john bolton's name fingerprints all over. yeah i mean this is just the latest in the raveling of cold war rules getting any kind of withdrawal syndrome yeah i mean the

u.s. pulled unilaterally out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty which has a direct repertoire sions on russia's position on the i.n.f. treaty today that conventional armed forces in europe treaty and the nato russia founding have been ignored by the west as it moves forces closer to russia's borders we we see new start is about to expire and now this let's be frank it's likely that both countries as they accuse each other are in small violations of the immediate range nuclear forces treaty neither the u.s. or russia benefited from this treaty in the modern strategic contents because countries like china the u.k. france are not excluded from having intermediate range nuclear weapons during the cold war this was a treaty that protected europe that kept the u.s. and russian missiles pointed long range at each other rather than short range it would mean the devastation of europe so that one of the big losers out of this is actually europe i think it could actually be to russia's position if the u.s.

pulls out of this to renegotiate it and to get china and the e.u. countries the u.k. included whether they are not in a read negotiated i.n.f. treaty that might even be able to return to the as you will of ballistic missile defense entitlement on the table and that's and i think that's where that's a that's a reasonable rational way to go but it's not who has said the i.n.f. treaty is since the u.s. pulled out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty those treaties not so much in our interest but it's not in europe's interest at least at the moment but that's because you know the didn't have the same restrictions so we can interpret this in different ways i think for trump it fits within. a pattern of what has been doing lately in terms of ripping off all this international agreements and saying he will negotiate better ones. however. but it's not all on trumped up because this i know of treaty has been there's been fears that the number of links for quite a few years and it really dates back to bush when in two thousand and one he

decided to withdraw the united states from. the a.b.m. treaty and this was. disrupted a lot because for russia they really needed to. develop a new a new weapons as well because for the west or for nato they keep saying that the a.b.m. treaty and other. missile defense shield are building is simply to you know intercept this non-existent missiles from iran but it's. become more evident as targeting russia russian these are countered somehow but also this is an interceptor missiles can be converted into this intermediate range nuclear missile so they can actually be used to target russia so russia already warned us marcie pointed out all of it in two thousand and seven put in that. treaty would have to be reconsidered because they can't live with it anymore because the with the senate what is this other believing these are controlled agreements. is that.

mean we're going to have a new arms race. the illusion here means where it is now which would preferable near where i want to have something war us we're going to have caves because let me remind our viewers what that i never treaty as it was signed in the end of one thousand nine hundred seven by reagan and gorbachev when the warsaw treaty was still in existence and no one could do when dream or large store near one hundred kilometers from st petersburg actually hostile to to russia and even american troops and british troops on their territory no one could imagine that paul and would be a horse. because basically let's call a leader america true they call russia a hostile nation him or key air let's face it you know all. at the rectory of the polish leaders of the baltic leaders these are not simply not friends these are basically military anus and they want to build for and trump and this and this was

signed in one thousand nine hundred seventy in under completely different circumstances and now the americans are seen russians are doing something wrong they're researching and developing well there are but that's fair we're going out and according to our end of treaty you can research and develop you just can't do poorly and the second there are actually three arguments that russia can use to its advantage first it's a new situation no one expected baltic understand and will mean yet be enemies second what glenn just said the so-called anti-ballistic missiles can be used as an intermediate range missiles against russia and third we basically have the whole system wants control destroyed and see if the treaty is no longer valid not because of lost but because see if we treated was again signed when was treaty was in existence so a lot of tear no not even larger it was not even mentioned warrant in the czech

republic and slovakia are mentioned in c. if the treaty as elyse or the soviet union which means of russia one slice sorry who wants this new start treaty expires this two thousand and twenty one i think here there's actually no more. control over me no not even clear control of the century you can have just develop as many nuclear weapons you want because there and this is the first time since my country to israel was created in italy when you look at the tension between the united states and russia in the tensions in europe this is the worst possible not in how long these people remember what was said when you said an arms race the previous arms race was in the framework of an arms control system that bad as it was was created in the early seventy's so it was with the a c. . no we have an arms race with of onsite thirteen times richer than the other. system along to control this is much more dangerous ok i want to i want to talk

about the molar investigation seems to be wrapping up here mark doesn't it we there's no assurance that the his report will even be made public he gives it to the deputy director at the d.o.j. rod rosenstein rumor is there's nothing there and that's what we've been saying for seventeen months the murder investigation still going on i haven't even. you know of course it won't be released you know the results or interim results because i don't expect it to be closed down and won't be released to laughter the midterms when the democrats are expected to take back control of the house and i think everything will just be rejuvenated on their side that they will relaunch no investigation it is a different direction well yeah i mean. mueller investigation went nowhere they will try to find new holes to creep into against trump which is really what mueller

did anyway going after man of florence without taxes and so i might my theory glenn is this is that this whole thing was a show from the beginning is to keep the focus away from these and in the f.b.i. and in the department of justice they they peddled a very different narrative here if the democrats come back and take over the house all of the g.o.p.'s investigations they'll be squashed shut down they'll disappear and as mark said they'll find new rabbit holes to dig into and so all of what we've seen present months will just as if it didn't happen go yeah i think that's been the main purpose they're going to really matter if they find anything at the end of the day which the apparently did don't. simply having delegations there having the investigation. this is a been obstructing trial. foreign policy do you feel remember back from his campaign he is such i was lashing out at everyone who was from his own party that opposition foreign leaders everyone was

a target except russia because he seemed to very much like stephen and recognize that maybe they shouldn't have spoiled the opportunity to actually leave because we're going to civilization. that was one is a big push to recognize the cold war is over it's the main challenges are coming from china and this in america's interest to make peace with russia but because it was so close he was pushing so hard this pro russian line which is essentially goes against both the democrats and the republicans i think that this was going to be their main targets especially he's a stooge of the kremlin they're going to need the one he's been he's surrounded and probably become a neo con in outlook and his campaign promises are in tatters right now the deep state is one that's all the time we have gentlemen many thanks my guest here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here don't you see you next time and remember.

i did the war planning for the principal force provider command in the united states military or for years i've worked on this region for years i do not understand this saudi arabia is the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in the world still today and yet we call here on that we lie when we say that we write blatantly lie when we say that and moreover we know we're lying. prosecution. only to be criminals and this should be focused on as. where you. just read the fines. by the number one place you do i mean yeah i mean i mean

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believe importantly. the i. had learning this president now threatening to expand the united states nuclear arsenal until he says russia and china come to their senses. here to the agreement should have been done years ago but still people. will build it up. trumpet earlier announce that the u.s. intends to leave a key nuclear arms agreement with russia provoking a mixed reaction from european allies and. in other news this hour saudi arabia admits the dissident journalist was murdered in the kingdom's consciousness in istanbul but his international pressure grows watching.