if they have economic if they're into the pendants if the human rights the seriousness of human rights. such you have these two theories which competes against each other to explain how the world works. as liberal gemini and he says it's doomed to fail mark you know this is in many ways maritimers magnum opus of what has now been several decades of his fear of critique of us foreign policy basically since the end of the cold war and how it has emerged not only as as the hedge in modern terms of power but it has. i would say selectively use that power to try to reshape the world in its own image rather than say the more realist notion of balancing power centers and trying to present another headroom on from a merging regionally it has delved into in ideology of exceptionalism which which

mirrors heimer identifies as just another type of of nationalism and he also specifically addresses the way that the liberals have not only you know dominated you know the foreign policy in in terms of action but the inner circle such that there is a real it's no longer even really accepted now in the discourse it's something that's taught in universities in the mediately rejected in favor of you know liberalism and it's. funny to see it on the other hand the neocons have exhibited this whole liberal approach to international relations as mentioned i mean it sounds nice and warm and fuzzy yeah we you know if you have the power why not try to support human rights if you have the power and how fair trading relationships but it never works out that way mearsheimer would argue that makes things even worse because these end up being wars of choice. well i think they're

trying he's very soft spoken he stays more or less in the fray meet him but he liam literally correct language i mean he germany all yes well i think that what he calls governing you know this is from my review of the book by the american conservative. you know. they called it a dagger pointed at the heart of america's guardian feel was iffy progressive liberalism well i think that you should call a spade a spade progressive liberalism or all true liberalism as i call it now it's not even a governing philosophy in the states it's the perry an ideology which determines not only the state's action but which determines education. arts sports and of course foreign policy and of course military so when for example a writes about the united states or business in the states militaristic behavior is almost certain to end up threatening its own liberal values liberalism abroad leads

to illiberal ism at pool and of court well it's not just the liberalism you know put in people like chelsea manning in jail for life you know organize an award why cheese for for edward snowden this is not the liberals here this is the ideology that mearsheimer is criticizing promotes for example. the war in syria and promotes the legal regime change in in ukraine in two thousand and fourteen because if you look at the liberal gemini in it's really surprising to me that you when you get into an argument with a counter position to the things i just mentioned they all have this defacto default position of i mean even liberal person because i'm not going to project my values i mean they can't even they're not even self or. where of that ok go ahead

right now there's nothing democracy human rights these are all good things but they have to be based on power foundations otherwise this is essentially from the realist mind at least what drives international politics mark mentioned at the realists to some extent been purged out of the discipline from after the cold war and this there were systemic incentives for this of course because during the cold war it made sense to look at things through this bottles of power however if you would still follow this theory after the cold war than you would have to see the west was overwhelmingly powerful the soviet union didn't exist anymore if we didn't follow this there then logic suggest we should start to pull back and essentially dismantle nato which is what the section of people like commercial armor walt walt and others have argued however this is that we consented so liberal because they said no actually we create peace by expanding that because we're promoting democracy we're promoting human rights. we should actually go in topple governments

around the world because that's a good promoting democracy so as you mentioned this a nice idea that you know if you go out and promote democracy as a form of security because democracy is a perfect logo don't go to war with each other then everyone benefits but at the end of the day you see that it essentially undermines and the itself inside or in the sympathy for anyone else because they get and we're going to look at this little issue and no one can look at his loyal american foreign policy since the end of the cold war it is just been a trail of tears for the people that are on the receiving end of it mark democracies don't go to war with each other except when they do have a u.s. attack on serbia. no i don't agree that the pursuit of democracy and human rights in international relations is in any way a good thing. but i think what glenn is saying i mean if that if that can be attained ok without use of violence i mean. i think that sure i should be so defending and. remoting idea it's the actions to promote what martha are saying is

that i've got a problem first of all it's obvious selectively and hypocrisy you know the u.s. is the biggest allies of the middle east are the powerful liberal democracies of saudi arabia qatar and bahrain and you know. the united arab emirates so the us supplies successive liberal for regimes of liberal foreign policy the us arms over seventy percent of the world's dictatorships according to us researchers and they're trying to cut russia out of the remaining twenty five percent that russia and china share amongst them so you know it's it's really a case of liberal foreign policy is an exercise in a park or see it's weaponized liberalism as as a basically a means of demonizing propaganda for my enemies and for my dictator friends well we all see the press coverage that mahatma been sobbing and then i thought it would

be it's really interesting because it really is a p.r. trend because even if it fails like iraq afghanistan syria what's going on with saudi arabia it's still your intentions were good ok and that's why no one loses their job and cable t.v. in the us it's not the first time that the lofty ideas lead to the table results in fact that there was two wars in the life of humanity where net for years i mean the napoleonic wars which destroyed you were in the beginning of the nineteenth century that were all formally a bald spread in republican values sending the lie to them and to end human use them and even weiss people like the famous german boy it even they kind of go glued into this into this trap basically i just love these this called from. impulse is deeply why. into the liberal democracies you specially there are elites

and of called well this is something that a lot of muslims don't understand when the western democracy is came to them with arms where most of the wars beginning from the ninety s. the thought the crusaders are back with their christian ideas not the course say despite what with christian ideas with something much war superimposed with something very very deep gauged from christianity from tradition something something you told pm and something terrible demon hits on it exactly which is why i get the problem with it's misleading the democracy of liberalism it's universalism whether you are talking liberalism today christianity at one time communism at another time enough for you or your diverse a list to go get the crusading impulse the desire to force other people to live your little you'll save you know good life to save them that is what is so terrible

about a liberal foreign policy and we're so i'm or even says although he contradicts himself later that he prefers a liberal style of government instead of hope and hope but in the anarchic world of international politics with no world government competing power centers it is a recipe for militarism and imperialism and disaster and a loss of rights at home just to push back on the one thing mark mentioned and i think emotion or would agree with me. let's say that you have a you know human rights democracy but if it's from a founded on power then it would be fine for example after the cold war let's say we would have created a greater europe based on what a bunch of common european home. becomes part of the same club and we agree on certainly here humanitarian standards or you know democratic freedoms or you are well some good no. matter how we're not instead we developed it may have been just useful you know for example of that we saw so many. but instead it became it became

an instrument of power suspension and now we can expand and using democracy as a reason so i get there much as a new civilizing mission so the new white man's burden is to go out and bring democracy to the poor of the other of the rest of the world and let's hold that thought we're going to go to a short break and after that summer break we'll continue our discussion on john mearsheimer new book stay with r.t. . prosecution will need to become almost. dissolved and i think or will you push. the thread you'll find. somebody don't want to see you do i mean yeah yeah i mean political pressure on the. moon concludes in

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classes protect themselves. with the final merry go round lifts only the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. welcome back to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing john mearsheimer new book. let me go back to glenn here was getting a bit heated there and everyone's trying to grab space here to continue your point my friend well i was just going to make the point that according to this new

liberal theory and liberal ideology this less scope for compromise because if you have if it's to surrealistic you know in. can always agree that you should have a balance and you can reach a compromise but for the liberals if you think that you know spreading your empire your liberal empire will bring perpetual peace then and the and the compromising with each other a serious ascension of peace and so instead you have this incentive to pursue a perpetual war in order to achieve perpetual peace and i think that's what makes them so dangerous that you can't you can't compromise you can't negotiate the this essentially goes against the whole idea that we can actually reach this point where the world becomes this peaceful democratic utopia so. i guess that's my main bit of the sort and that's the saddest thing because compromise means evil you can't compromise with with evil with evil with with well with sir you can't sweep it up or wise with saudi arabia just not russia and china. will explain that ok it simply

because saudi arabia other countries go to our border and long ago geo politically aligned themselves with us foreign policy interests it's it's not the principle that matters when you're considering whether to ally yourself with illegal countries whether you're considering saudi arabia or russia or china or you know any turkey or any number of countries it's not principle that actually determines it it's just rank hypocrisy it's a it's a lie they tell and believe themselves really that's why you know these things. don't just because realism describes the real world and liberalism describes made up world and a made up set of conditions of human nature real ism and liberates on this you know real ism views the world that we are all social animals that we are born into a culture society and we naturally interact with each other liberalism views that

we are all this atomized in the vigils who fink about and signs social contract. acts with each other and this. eroni assumptions about human nature at the fault of liberalism to be a theory for foreign policy in the world real world and that fill your two to act the real world in real human nature leads to the disaster of consequences war inevitable violence and tensions that arise with a liberal foreign policy. mark raised an important issue why did the united states . ally themselves with saudi arabia this is the question that a lot of russian establishment people so want a russian and it is asking if so would you arabia can be an ally why can't we. i think is the fall in saudi arabia will never be a truly independent sovereign state with the elite with the kind of morals that

they have made although it's not a state that's a family there will always depend in the same way the united states called allied with the mileage china in the seven just but it cannot itself with more or less normal china of twenty. so basically what happens is their. russian elite will have to make a choice you know they wanted to have good relations with the united states they tried to accord with the united states for many years the whole idea was that if they want to give money if they want territory to develop all oil and gas we can do do it together why aren't you doing that well because these people don't want all your money they want to change you they want your soul they want your so they want to change you profoundly and then that sounds you know when. you know that will sony an idea to make the wall safe for democracy there is all it is that

the world is not safe first for the countess and then in the end it becomes unsafe for democracy too so when for example even some russian diplomats say we have no idea what differences with the united states or with the west know we do because the whole difference is methods george of can say that it was the most important thing about ideology methods russia does not want to change are the countries more deal in them in its own image the united states wants and here i think gives that accident call from george w. bush exactly before the invasion of iraq how drudge bush saw iraq and liberated iraq can show poll freedom to transform that vital region by bringing hope and progress into the wives of millions america's interests and security and america's belief in liberty borscht lead in the same direction to a free and peaceful iraq and of course he forgot to add with isis. a lot of other things are really of a lot of on it one of those occurrences here another famous but i think flawed

because a bit of francis fukuyama we still have this the last man in the end of history i mean people dismissed the book as they should but that's still kind of the g. net. code of liberalism we actually it was heralded by the liberal i know i thought it was a. little piece this is awful they're totally. wrong lately mission of it's right he keeps revising it well he just made a lot of money off of the need in trashing his own book it but what that's one point here it's messianic is that when you have a missing link view of the world you can tweak it because it's perfect it's sacred it's a deity in and of itself and any doubting of it it collapsed completely go ahead kind of a beautiful theory for liberal lead to money because what it really said this last

man and that history the thesis was that no old ideologies works also there was only one left that was liberal democracy and every country if they wanted to matter in the world would have to embrace it and everyone would follow on the u.s. leadership and them as you try to emulate its model and again this is i think it's important to point a book out because it's been the foundation of this liberal delusion which points to and i think therefore one of the main issues that merchant looks at this is the western relationship with russia because this is probably been the most toxic of this liberal hedge amount to be because from a realist perspective every realist even ken and especially ken and george kennan that i see they recognize that if you expand the world's largest military alliance up to russia's borders russia will be very anxious it will start to push back and when it pushes back it's a mutual security best thing is to get a settlement in place and try to recognize ok let's not cross this border let's find a mutually beneficial solution but there are liberal delusion what we're seeing is

well we're just promoting democracy russia it's democracy it's afraid of them our baby hate our values. and so smug by allowing russia to essentially balance us this is the biggest threat to peace and we have to. defeat them that's just the logic so they're that liberalism is this peaceful ideology or theory it's. just it's you know this is so it is literally in her head you only if it's you couldn't you can recast it in in a different way the united states in its imperium they are post modernist when it comes internationally lation russia is a modernist ok because they believe in borders ok the west says they believe in the values ok with you and will and then the method is the method right it's ok this is really interesting let's talk about another book that dovetails on with this well there's a lot of like r.b.s. loved this stephen walt who is a political ally of john mayer's i remember his book came out of the same just

after where the hell of good intentions america's foreign policy elite and the client of u.s. primacy and that he has previously cooperated with john mearsheimer on a piece critiquing the corrosive influence of israeli influence in washington right now and they were pretty much exiled from the sea you know from after that because of its reception and. if you go on you tube you can find there's a video ad from harvard's belfer center the liberal world disorder reflects on grand strategy and not so great assumptions this is walt and mary simer together discussing both of the model steroids on steroids right now you have a liberal voice to challenge them there as well i strongly suggest you watch that video and we have this zinger in there from walt liberal the gemini is

a full employment strategy for the us as foreign policy elite. i think it's really great he also develops the idea what you're talking about how liberalism it actually rode the foundations of what a state. it's because the liberal elite their cosmopolitan nature they don't believe in borders that you know their free flow of people of of of value spread across the world they don't actually care for the idea of a nation they're at the end that they opposed to it and because of that that this time or analyzes it in his book he focuses on this trifecta and how they interact with each other real ism liberalism and national that's got it down there the thing is there's these little liberal. hema you don't have to know anything about culture you don't have to know anything about nations you don't know to know

anything about foreign languages nothing and nothing because you your values are your guiding light ok and you were absolutely right and you must defeat the heathen and convert everyone using the sword of innocence inside every black brown and yellow person and that little white liberal consumer just waiting to be freed with the good ole truth when he remarked just paraphrased you go walk to school with the ninety s. as a translator for a wall street correspondent here she said that the first thing she heard from her boss s. when she went to moscow she asked if she had to learn russian they said let's not make it a language club very soon all the world will be speaking english you know what we what i what i'm afraid off in this libero hegemony is one of the it is it is it's a tendency to have a monopoly and tendency to have a government intervention because this is exactly what michelle writes in his books he basically defend it he basically divides liberals seem to the so-called more

disadvantaged you brought us you know from the times over the ones that have nothing against then the so-called progressive liberals who say that a government action is required to promote positive rights meaning gender rights all these things that we know about so. this is what this is the way to wants to put it terrorism when basically you have a monopoly in there and you end up having monopolies in economy like all these transnational companies so you know high tech companies if you have a monopoly in science which is detrimental to science then basically you have government interfering everywhere if i can fake you'll get out of everything you just said. when it ends up being in toto is intolerance exactly what it becomes and monopoly gentlemen that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here argue see you next time and remember.

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