they're the world's biggest oil producer russia they're meeting the world's second biggest saudi and of course saudi has also made friends with this man yes she jinping sent his people to the saudi investment conference just as vladimir putin did but if saudi realignment is a piece of cake well to some bricks it is something else entirely threatening not only say a tally in membership of the e.u. but the very existence of the united kingdom joining me now is former first minister with all the knowledge and current unionist party chairman lord m.p. would have be welcome to going underground if we leave aside the party politics of the ninety two to two committee how is the union this movement called it's of involved with the policy is bricks and negotiations and i know this is the deal being or do you agree. banks in negotiations that are arguably threatening to break up the union well my party recommended remain vote reluctantly but on the basis that there were two major issues one was the border because we

didn't even when we went to see former prime minister cameron before the campaign. we didn't get the impression that number ten really understood the implications for the quarter the second thing was you've got to do your fault for not explaining it to him one of the we did our best i assure you and the second thing was you've got to remember we were two years closer to the scottish referendum so at that particular stage the decision of scotland to remain in the union would have appeared to have been final but within a matter of weeks the nationalists were starting up again and we felt there was a great risk of reigniting not independence movement which supposed to some extent has happened so and those two reasons we recommended remain but on a free vote however not only the decision was taken we. our position is that we

have to respect tonnes and we try and improve get the best possible deal that we can for the united kingdom as a whole do you think that there will be a border in the irish sea that there will be a border between they are sure public and great britain between eighty and ninety percent of our exports either go to or via great britain britain is alarmed bridge so arlen can't send its goods directly from its own shores to mainland europe there on the reason the ferry capacity so it goes across there is sea primarily to ports in wales and then it goes either to the u.k. as a who or it goes to the country to dover or others southern ports we don't want it to be extended up they are a sea to our shores because the boss spoke of our trade is done with. great britain and that is is the case the total exports to the whole of the world

from they are sure public all of those exports one point six percent go to northern ireland of the irish republic total imports from the whole of the world one point six percent come from northern hutton's so thought is people don't get that they level of trade not even reporting on earth there is no real border there the movement well if you say you've got you've got a currency border you've got a v. a t. border you've got all that talk so the tax authorities in each side reporter of those or irish government figures by the way that i'm giving it but there are goods in transit that go up and down the road but the actual level of trade is modest and is primarily i could culture and we've had all this talk about a hard border let me tell you there isn't going to be a hard porter who is going to put it up and the problem that they are should public house is that they're. fear is that brussels in the event of

a no deal arrangement would say well you've got to put up an external border that's what the speculation is no government could stay in politically putting up a border they could they wouldn't last five minutes so there isn't going to be a border so if there is a new deal because dublin doesn't accept what you're saying regardless of the border between the six counties in the south do you find it ironic that a union is posey seems to be threatening the existence of the u.k. and in fame remain put in fame. on the save the union there's an irony in this insofar as shin fein originally opposed arlan joining the european economic community there's a siren in fact in the one nine hundred seventy s. they were opposed to those that the d.p. have taken a position on this we have been very concerned about the approach that they are

taking it so my feeling is in our party's feeling is that the way bracks it's been handled by the d.p. they were part of the negotiations last december for this block stop which is now a millstone around our necks i believe that the relationship with the republic should be negotiated in the final phase when we know what our future relationship is going to be that's when it should have been dumped we should never have accepted it david davis should never have accepted it as one of the preconditions for negotiations up was the rock on which we perished you know what find it strange that you appear i mean we had paul mask before we. had will see saying that we are in it for itself that seems to set off a leg we're going to thing you in what used to be the dominant force in you well it's like i suppose yes but that probably is in the storm and context which i think you're. coming on to the moment well i think they said that nigel daubs is

a bit of trying to be che guevara and now. there's a role in this one as a kids in a sweet show he was talking. he was going your mind to guerrilla campaign in parliament. hard to you as a eunice to stay in the union if you're a guerrilla campaign against your own government a government which he has a confidence a supply arrangement with you know well in the sense that if there isn't a did put in a mind the irish sea they have a beer but to talk to it if you are in an arrangement with stops government which in my view opinion there was no need for the deal between the metol but surely to raise them a needed the d p otherwise the queen was going to give a permission to be but i mean as the queen would give her permission because she was the largest party in parliament she was automatically going to be given the first opportunity to form a government so then the question is who was going to vote her right. you don't go

to order right and perjury corben then because that's the most obvious you know the old suspicions that he was always breaks it is a yeah but he's also i mean his shadow chancellor announced last week to the world that he long for united ireland i'm sure they would say this is what a diary civil rights. then surely you can understand that is as it came up the idea of a border in the irish sea infostrada the other alternative they're just going bring down in the deal that is presented in then we'll still vocal for them well first of all where they can do that but you know in practice with the for expression parliament socked they say the dynamics are different from what that they used to be years ago but look if you're in a situation and you have a conference of why they have a joint committee that meets regularly why weren't they engaged in the drafting of the document last december it was obvious that it came as

a complete shock to them in a surprise to them and then they scrambled to running to see if they could get a bit odd that in which they did but it it's totally contradictory because on the one hand it's saying all the mild will be regularly regularly three aligned with brussels on the other hand saying they'll be no impediment to trade east west and we're live free and equal access to the united kingdom market the only way you can see the whole of the united kingdom can come and stay aligned with brussels is defectively stand the customs union which is the very opposite of breaks it doesn't or the labor party say anyway we'll get the d b's. view on why they weren't privy to that information i'm sure you know people are going to speculate that's because the reason we didn't tell them certainly this kind of thing boris johnson was always thinking in stormont. i mean people often oversleep talking about the good friday agreement you know so much is the bedrock of the good friday agreement. do you think you'll ever meet again it's possible. i think that the will be nothing in

the short term i'm quite sure until after breakfast or at least until it breaks that situation clarifies itself to some extent because i don't think she wants to be implementing drugs that well and it would have to if it was in government stormed in the event that we leave on the twenty ninth of march so the other thing was there was a failed. negotiation in february of this year. the republican movement said that there was a no wonder standing that arlene foster would put to her party a number of proposals that they had discussed including an artist's language act when it came to the point of her doing so it became obvious that her colleagues weren't prepared to even agree to it so she didn't formally put any proposals to them unfair or nice saying well who do we negotiate with so the full verse ministry you're encouraged then that both sides neither of them are saying they're of the

good friday agreement even though stormont says no we wouldn't you know what i mean there's no it is kind of you go to a meeting again we had twenty years ago when the agreement was done we had a there was a referendum an old man the referendum they are sure public must of majorities ninety something in the republic over seventy percent and all supported the d.p. of course oh posed it. and ironically initially. they still say they oppose it but ironically they operate it and it is the only thing going for them the principle of consent that we negotiated got no longer stay part of the united kingdom and that's the people of no nonsense otherwise and they use that continuously as their major defense when they're dealing with banks that will just finally then. figure it's only about referendums we know the good friday agreement and it's specification what do you think is dr paul nolan from queens

saying. i mean in fact this conversation has been about the date. the real date is some day twenty twenty one when the catholics number the borders of the north you're but you see you come conflate the two things. you know follow twenty twenty one but that doesn't mean that caustics don't vote you know it's a question of what is the balance you can't apply the room just strictly on the america because don't forget we've a lot of catholics who come from poland i mean the last census one percent of the population is polish and is probably bigger enough then you have conflicts from blocks of that's going to make the difference one that could make a huge difference i mean if you do two percent majority for brags that one and a half or two percent committed big difference at least you're zooming they're going to be able to remain in this country have to break i think as they will be and that's why i've no doubt the republican house to vote and they have to accept

that they would want the united sound i wouldn't like to take them out granted at the present moment look m.p. thank you thank you coming up after the break we hear a different view on the irish border from a man who lives on and call in line a. ride . to the first out of the georgia. i said i was paying to perform i passed my sons to die i. said he'd. say trust me i stand. as missing. you.

and homo boy stop trying to be an amateur clown. squinty was. and he had a good suit on. so we'll see if you think. if it was that he could would. yes i did make sure. that a couple so kind of toilet b.s. get. up. after world war two we were all the world we have the most gold we had the sound this currency we had low interest rates and we were american century ready to go. off like a lottery winner blows it all here we are twenty eight c.

having kind of a plot. kentucky . boys. very funny. money since it was almost no coal mines left. the jobs are gone all the pay rises to. live to see these people the survivors of disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that end it's how it's happened.

welcome back well in the first half we heard from northern ireland's former first minister but is brecht's at large of an island tourism a in the future of the e.u. joining me now is call him lying there who actually lives on the border between the six counties and the republic called thanks for coming on going on the ground so when you watch mainstream media beaming down to your place in one eye and. you think the journalists and the pundits and the politicians level and tourism is going wrong a. i don't believe that in the main commentary has any real concern for ireland. that ireland is prefer to remain separate from the perspectives of journalism and commentary are largely driven by the major forces that are still controlling us and settle subjugated as i would argue the people of ireland we have ceded most of our of our of our powers to europe and that's evidenced in our inability

to stop. europe foisted on us a huge debt in the very recent past that which we are still burdened with. in order to see if the markets the economies of europe and we don't know what the problem is exit personally i would be for a legs that left exit that would. get rid of the power of europe but and retain sovereignty within the nation state but that would be in the interests of the vast majority of people i suspect that breaks it in british context is being manipulated by a powerful elite that will that hopes to. tax haven a bust and a race to the bottom we're not sure nobody knows and this will be all to be fought for but in there is context none of this we are caught in a dilemma where we're controlled in the north by british imperialism under the sun

by the imperial force of europe our interests are never hurt never mentioned in that our only recourse is to beg some kind of been if i'm the beneficence from either of these powers and and the irony is that in one nine hundred twenty s. irish republicans broke with the british union because they saw their interests being in. represent themselves represent their economy in a democracy that plate and responded to the needs of the people and in the north the unionists demanded not to be included not because they saw their need for some executive power and then they saw that in the link with britain but very much that they would cover control of their destinies and a large say in that we come to two thousand and the a team and neither side sees any. any need for their own sovereignty and they look to almost

a bipolar. perspective of we must defer to this power or that part not seen that the both of them are actually denim that is to this disenfranchise disempower and to impoverish or barak of the dear peers in foster over the holds for the future of tourism or. yes because they come from their rationale sectarian rushnell they are caught and trapped in the history that doesn't a lot of them are just not and they are making very good political sense that they say in order to maintain the integrity of the united kingdom and in the fierce of burgeoning catholic potential majority in the north that their only state in this the only thing that will maintain that union is that they are bracket all of the good friday stuff that the potential for unity and this is actually

offering a chance for a union that was almost defunct and republican. made us do it they voted to leave the european union before bringing to remind us how his it came not to be leaving the european union to voting to leave the euro but and ireland being. there's scant regard for to marcos and we do a no vote. parent it can be that the population can be asked to vote again at any time. they would be president if they were going on here in britain of yes of course. i think the irish rolled over in fear because our our economy is tied if you have to realize there's khana me our population is part of society's manchester we're peripheral in every way to the interests of both britain and europe and always have been our problem is we have been the first

colony and probably the last colony but we have no concept of the two control of our economy separately from the from these two to parse. so i think there is bad leadership in ireland there it's almost got to a stage where the european union is no the new holy catholic empire and any any chris is almost blasphemy. well. if that's the case. why do you think here it's all about the law in the way i think the line in the air see in britain there are parts of force i don't believe that britain ever lost its strategic interests in ireland a lot of the good friday stuff on the peace process that we enjoy in ireland. was premised on the base on the mission from britain that they had no strategic or

selfish interests in ireland i think as this to be it unravels it becomes quite apart and that the british have a strategic interest in ireland that they are quite willing to share the good friday agreement the integrity of the union asarco st and you have these jingoistic forces working but so i guess it could be argued that the economic interests of the elite in england could work fairly well within the city of london but it needs to turn. tauriel appears to exist on and i think the turret oriel integrity of the united kingdom of the kali empire becomes much more important in this context and we may be seeing a position where all of what. been agreed in terms of peace process has not been torn up not pay republicans or dissidents but the middle classes. on both sides of the of that to be it in their own selfish interests but for

brigadiers watching the twenty eight crisis was said to be one of them was a britain voted to leave but in your country they voted to leave and then after being bailed out. all the banks will there will be worse for the we won't build it in fact we were don't what was done when we were foisted like serfs with and with a huge debt now we live as indentured labor theory ireland unions are a pity there is no moral design we don't have our budget goes to germany for for assessment and check and correction before we don't we have a housing crisis were huge homeless crisis. to rent a property in dublin in the capital it cost twice as much as a mortgage we have no ability to build houses because the european union would say that with goes beyond the budget we see italy daring to do to flout the

laws of fiscal policy europe interscope policy. and you can see the reaction to it in ireland we caught we have a completely compliant government that doesn't see itself as being sovereign. any criticism it's almost servile. so this is why and huge propaganda here. molly. carrot and stick both the threats of what will happen if we dare to. not told the line of europe but what i would say watch this space we were given huge assurances during the last couple it's crisis that europe would look after us. in effect they dumped us in order to save those markets watch this space where we're told that europe will defend the interests of little ireland. i suspect strongly and has been mooted

last week through social democratic lines that cam the leader of the irish labor party said that he had heard rumblings that europe was preparing to ditch the irish position the backstop and all of that watch this space where the little irish economy becomes so insignificant if it's stopping a deal between britain and europe both of whom need each other because there are so many synergies in their economy that ireland's issues will be. and so what happens then the border where you live for the border i think the reality is. i predicted non profit that i predict that there's going to be a really hard crash here because there is no logical way out of this because the interests are mutually. incompatible we will have

a crash there will be. a border that will be maintained by the british on one side and possibly the europeans on the other side we will have a border that never existed before because even in the twenty's we had bilateral agreements that meant in we had common travel area. shared currency lots of different arrangements. no in our context the irish spirit has no ability to make bilateral agreements with britain so we will possibly fear a tragedy that is worse than we can ever conceive of in ireland for people it's mostly denial and they're being fed this will never happen this couldn't happen it's too appalling. unconscionable and we couldn't but the truth is that. they are on the road good for accusing british me of your. comparing the border

area to pakistani tribal areas in the india good but if there was that reporter there. the rise of militancy the rise of militancy and this is it i watch with it's actually quite funny i think a moment that the last twenty odd years have been spent on. producing a process that would lead republicans to disavow any claims to sovereignty to independence to bring the whole population to a position where they were think that irish into peoples are nonsense and here the people who are very opposed to republican militarism and militant islam are not the people threatening the other side it with the possibilities of it so i think the most dangerous people in ireland the most militant people in ireland are they possibly the irish middle class who see their business interests threatened. almost

self or add car last week. showing pictures of a bombed. to customs post. it's almost comic that that these people who couldn't understand any of this are not almost you see the potential threat for the truth is that the threat is not there they've been so successful in using fear and using fear and. killing home rule with kindness to use an old parlance that that there is very little radical republicanism left there they're almost going to have to create it and i watch the space where they will bring about issues and incidents and use it as a pretext to to threaten each other. thank you come out of the show we'll be back on saturday just because legendary queen guitarist and astrophysicist dr brian may about the politics behind the space race injuries i'm a going to space without you will be usa till then human judgment of social media

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