the road map for peace and i want to start and yet despite all this insecurity over a four million afghans who went to the polls over the weekend to lag their parliament tyrants which if accurate is a very high turnout for a country where voting is associated with such a high life risk given the scale of this year's election violence almost eighty people killed around five hundred wounded do you think it was worthwhile well as you said played into this by i mean after seventeen years we still do not have a proper election we do not maintain security for the people but of course we do have appreciated did that massive coming off the people to the police station that is being appreciated despite all the trades people came out to determine their own future their own decision but it to save time do what they find to talk about that yes we want to come to go to democracy but unfortunately under part of the election

commission that was catastrophic on the part of the governor because i wanted something that was catastrophic but unfortunately as i mentioned before that so far for the past seventeen years we have not followed the national agenda and i saw a road map what i found something that is why you can see that i was actually up to seventy has wrapped up all by your bias now speaking about the elections i'm going to stuns international partners still insist on holding them alone was religiously despite numerous instances of fraud violence intimidation about a third of raja station sanders failed to open during the last parliamentary vote how we reached a point when the democratic rachael's are more important than the free uninformed choice that they are supposed to facilitate what i believe does of course democracy in afghanistan is an issue that is sensual it does not mean that democracy does not work in afghanistan what it means is that they government of afghanistan especially the leader. to kind of eat did not believe didn't go not willing to really go to

dutch sort of democratic process here the others as you mentioned before that government which have come out of the frodo and itself of course that has got them some kind intendant commission. and so therefore that is the government doesn't want to sign what you are making hundreds of underwrote of democracy does not the people of afghanistan be but i hope it isn't how fans like you shown that they can come out despite all the threats they can't get out and they want to vote well my question is not really about whether a democracy is suitable for afghanistan who am i to even ask god i'm asking whether it actually leaves ob the procedures the electoral procedures that you guys have actually leave op to the standard definition of democratic procedures and it's interesting that the foreign policy magazine just the other day reported that in their in t. situation else nassi of fraud was diplomats have changed their language and instead

of calling for free and fair elections then i was talking about elections whose results are quote unquote acceptable to afghans you are an afghan you come from a very respected family what is acceptable to you whether they accept it as well as we all wish to say that for a fair and democratic election for afghanistan an independent commission to carry out and manage the election in afghanistan i government which is what i read it organized it but action for afghanistan the whole procedure as you state the right to the whole procedure if a nation has gone wrong people enough want to start with the people who voted people who feel that they are successful in the election people who feel that they have not been successful all of the decision boys are saying that this election was another good election and therefore these are not plus what of legitimate part of it and i want to something that is a problem now you seem to lay the. blame squarely at the feet of the afghan

government but i wonder if its international partners are also at least partly to blame because the western approach to afghanistan in particular the american approach to afghanistan has been there a little bit contradictory because on the one hand washington supports democratic governance it publicly indorse is elections but on the other hand. it embraces strongman for the sake of security and i wonder if you can really have bull's democracy and this oversized reliance on the warlords in another part of sun as i mentioned before that democracy does work in afghanistan whether this war or the other side it does work in afghanistan by judge of the people of france and they want to go to the path of democracy sort of the militia committee discuss and of course they do want to see if the sex and the sex and i want to sign these some hostile or almost seventeen years often votes in afghanistan they are somehow getting exhausted why in afghanistan yeah democracy do not decide to come in and

cough up on a sunday stability do not do a kind of exhausted but we all know that is not decided to the fold of the afghan people what is happening that they have chosen as their own leadership their own system of governance and i find a song that has been somebody just off i want to. somehow. derailed the prose of democrats and i want to say that is why the international community they want to just do stuff to see that some sort of the election can take but is and i want to so they can come out of this as gun problem aside but when you come back when you see inside afghanistan the people often said they were determined to go to depart of democracy only faction which are resisting democracy that's not a set that is the top on terrorism let me again focus on these approach security approach of focusing on on the strong man because one of such strong men general abdul razak was assassin. just this past week in an attack which called into

question the security of the entire southern afghanistan and i understand the western countries may be relying on these strongman as i as i put it out of necessity it's an ugly necessity you need to provide some basic security but don't you think that this whole approach comes with its own security risk because from what i understand now the the future of khandahar may be the entire afghanistan is now up in the air yes of course the roads have been very important yes assignation off to killing off general draws a cop in a portent and for the past seven kids we have you seen that some very important prominent commanders and i got on t.v. what is you could talk afghanistan i guess the talk about dad being assassinated one by one that has been a chain off isolation off killing for for the past seventeen years but to save time it does not being done that would break the weight off the afghan people down here unfortunately what is happening with this pattern off isis

a nation one by one of course that's weakening he had enough on a sunday speaking to all good to go to the book to people to go to do it claiming that they are somehow sidelining to so-called warlords but the story is that this is not the war dog this is afghanistan as in this a state of the war so you can you must have the people who could say that this terrorism here and have been resisting terrorism for the past years and years unfortunately they govern top of one is that have not been able to really create a sort of is to do to bring all of them together under one umbrella or so-called national resistance here that is what prisons have been imported and last is being missed in afghanistan while with all due respect mr masood i would not downplay the role of a strong man in the afghan politics for example the slain general. is believed to be to have been pretty instrument. until both before the election of

former president hamid karzai added to the election of the current president gandhi do you think he's elimination will change the nature all for the layout of the afghan politics in any way especially on the eve of the presidential elections that are set to take place next step april what of course it has already affected the election in afghanistan or time to what has been plus one for one week that has already affected afghanistan but be the point if it comes under security decided like as has been lost general doesn't of course is he couldn't deal with the south don't focus on the road stuff up on a site that has been threatened by the taliban and by tourism there's no doubt about such things but what is the political impact of general resits getting this concept of course that has affected their part of education but in the long term of course plotted to kill a side effect would be countered by the us part of the security is constant so long as this edition have not been established so long as we do not to stop this

decision instead so we always mr know it was a kind of satisfy security just concern now as since i already mentioned the names of both the current and the former presidents i think both of them represent a trend that's been also observed in some other countries where they have an american presence that is when. a prominent national figures who've made a career in the west come back to the country or are brought back to the country to implement some sort of positive democratic change i know that you've been a fairly critical of that phenomenon what's wrong with it what he said during their . time when did soviet union was here or what happened who really push waited is so obvious who got inside afghanistan to bring them to soft housing talk force inside afghanistan that would believe the should i ask the leadership who persuaded them to come to afghanistan that is why for the ninety years a deal what inside. on sunday it was catastrophic us far as waters can suck exactly

the same way they are sometimes going to break and what persuaded teams that they can represent that donation of community interest not father son was doing that they can represent the interest of the american left on a sub but when we see the past seventeen years they have not produced not deliver their with which is wrong so that is why we didn't get this pattern must change that both president gandhi and president karzai before seem to used to have three d. a good relationship with washington at the beginning of that terms which seems to have changed by the ad of their terms what do you think explains this change of heart on the part of the afghan leadership and why is it so consistent starting on a high note and adding on a note on l.o.l. no it's but that americans what i do believe deaf to lead issue was not able to deliver on one side by their own dad as they claimed the situation in afghanistan is different good thing that probably added to michigan many t.v.

they are not they were not helping them as much as they think that day expected to have so that is why the relation deteriorated but i do believe that media got this and walked off did a study this year it was good leadership. really came into some sort of conscience is what they ask and people i do believe that we could have served our national interests better with wind and interaction with the international community i do believe that that we could have avoided many catastrophe and has for the past seventeen years but of course you did does not topic but let me say one more thing about what is it an issue that can be discussed especially this on a specific country's off or didn't have their own interest or who didn't have their own it is so as you can piss but what is it all or part of all we really kind of giving us sort of definition of our own interest to coincide to good together with interest when the interest of that issue can we talk of solo so far as far as we know there. i've got a leadership house not d.

but that does sort of interest does sort of definition do really convinced in time michigan needed that we do have in our poll on pork our own national interest well listen i said we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. prosecution will need to become almost. equal where you push. the threshold finds somebody no longer seem to i mean yeah i mean i mean political pressure on the bill due. to security jennifer knows what opponents bundled up business models used by american corporations. he's sold them could be mental disease. and the solution.

in association. with any song is it is just simply his attorney came to an investigative documentary. ghost war on oxy. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is on all sides very dramatic development only closely i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical of time to sit down and talk. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president or injury. or something want to.

have to be right to be approached this is what the before three in the morning can't be good good i'm interested always in the waters about how. this should. exist says harlan kentucky. old news move the employee says people should read families remove. a co money since it was almost no coal mines left. the jobs are gone all the polis the fed ex. love to see these people the survivors of a world disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become

a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that in the end it's how many it's happened. are. welcome. back to worlds apart from a half month muscled former afghan diplomat and president of the am i said foundation mr moussa just before the break we started talking about the numerous afghan governments and their ability or inability to deliver on their promises and the united states back in two thousand and fourteen was very have only involved in called pulling together the current unity or some would say disunity government which was fairly unpopular as far as i understand among the people but still how together do you think putting together and not a unity government would be

a good idea come two thousand and nineteen i do believe that in afghanistan what was needed was a unity government of course the national unity government of afghanistan if it was . agreed on what was needed on the situation side going to set off on a sunday whatever worked what is about we do have and do you need to go to sort of contract agreement between the two parties which came together made a coalition and then if you need to go to. that front that we're not implemented that is why we can see differently or so called the unity government i do believe that if one is sunday unity going to have not been formed it has not been formed. i don't talk to you need to go to how it's not been implemented for example what was there it was two years ago the first two years on the unity government debt should have been a really good guy to change a system of afghanistan the political system the structure of a president did not happen so therefore in many parse this is going to have

a field that was not able to really establish the troops and formidable a unity government well that the unity government of the united states how to put together was also very demonstrative least sidelines when the united states under donald decided to engage in direct talks with the taliban do you think that it was a good decision especially in behind. side of this latest attack in qana the hideout was claimed by the taliban and that killed not only the general who went unmentioned but also wounded a high profile american commander i do believe that when we talk about peace in afghanistan to peace have to come from within afghanistan of course our friends in the national committee they can help peace process in afghanistan but what is far more important the price you know afghanistan is the peace have to come from within afghanistan with the kind says this off the afghan people fly zone but when we want to make peace with the taliban don't force we lead to have to give

a clear agenda of peace with one of the we have talked about in afghanistan of course that was the old resistance forces what d.d. before afghanistan they're not part of the peace process this is the woman of what is what makes up more than half of the population of the us i don't know part of the process this is the civil society if i want to talk which divide is completely different from what i want to talk about doing this is not part of the process so therefore if these detainees are not taken into account so of course that's not peace in afghanistan but it decision time we do foresaw that then it should be meaty to read to push for peace in afghanistan we do appreciate that didn't go and said we want to talk with the top book but the brighter the air position of the peace process must lie with it afghan people mr president now that's your late brother ahmed shah masood a resistance hero from many afghans during the soviet intervention and than during the taliban advance also in gauged in talks with

a enemy he did talk to some taliban cannot commanders he wanted that moment to be part of the political process but that never materialized because the taliban never shared he's vision of what the political process entails and he's a vision of what afghanistan is supposed to be what can you discuss with an adversary who wants the very opposite of what you are striving for. i do believe though that you are right that my late brother masood tried and even he looked at us go fish tried to go to one off to poland select the leadership of thought are worth it to discuss peace but when he came out he said well this is not the taliban they are not seeking for peace but even today softer almost eighteen years since his day they want to buy a seat in the as yet have been some sort of a definite what is genuine or political attempt but they have made some sort of attempt to bring peace enough on a sunday that has not yet and he's out and disease it is that the vatican first the

government office had did not have a national roadmap for peace the second they talked about of the they should not have a united leadership so therefore you did not go exactly flew to talk to the turn off course why pakistan was behind them they wanted the beholder to talk about it so therefore it does sort of complicate the now when we talk about the peace there are many countries were trying to bring peace and i want a son so fought the people of afghanistan is still have not saved their own war was sort of peace we want and afghanistan what it tried to say is that almost every day are trying to interpret the peace often want to send based on their own interest but so far out at the moment for the past seventy years to end this off the afghan people have been lost it's not dead because the people of afghanistan on the other involved that you mentioned pakistan and i know that your brother attributed the strength self the taliban at the time to pakistan is interference pakistan now has a new leader in iran how and i know that you found he's rhetoric on the

relationship between afghanistan and pakistan quite encouraging has it moved beyond wars though. dissenting leadership of course the f b i he has been saying that he is for the peace in afghanistan he say that despair for that matter and interest of both countries but so far i was today when i talked to some people from the peace council they traveled to pakistan they were supposed to meet with. put it together parties want to talk about it but they said that when we talked with him all of this sort of blah all of the plot and all of what was saved from pakistan that was not there anymore so i unfortunately and i find that peace cannot come away and i sort of fashion that we are for it so far we do not see any signs yet that you speak very passionately both here and during your previous interviews against the afghan version all five dentity politics i know you tweeted the other day that it's time to switch from the question of who. still in etc to the question of what some

sort of call an agenda for all ethnicities for all clans that make up your country that's easier said than down though especially when the country so fragmented how would you do that well so far for the purpose of india. who was that duckworth put up on a sun did talk first we have to bring somebody either to go to cut up on his son so he can be the president and we can conduct our business through him it did not work then somebody and on and off did genius off on his side and then he left off that i stopped money but it passed five years we can see the catastrophe what's happening here but now decide who does not work who which party which at mrs d. these does not work you know fun is had all how failed we have to really go for what to say about what is and what can unify us want to start what could bring out what isn't together to save the country from disgraces that is the key but so far

for the past seventy is international community have not invested on what all of that time to have invested or what the dishes see what their son was that he's close to us or not that competent to have failed now speaking about international communities investments in afghanistan you're leading a charitable foundation so let me ask you specifically about foreign aid to have. honest on a few years ago the world bank reported that only thirty eight sounds of every a dollar spent in afghanistan actually reaches the economy much of it goes back to donor countries in the form of huge consultancy fees construction profits what have you ease aid a blessing or a curse for your country whether that is your money which becomes a democratic wasn't then goes back to spend on something which is not inefficient i wasn't just corruption that's a crime and much of that money which had been. donated already been given and the

democrats want to sign that have been inside to govern to set up a fight i want to start all outside that has gone completely oh wait people to help us and have not benefited from dot what does is an obvious fact that is why we see that corruption as sole outstanding i just want to go to the top on this his grandson as well as i support of those who came and do it involved with some sort of corruption would be going to have consented to take that money back to one of some well mr ms so that i think it's very easy to blame corruption on the afghan government in fact everybody's doing that but i'm specifically asking about the role of the international community and international donors because when you can make such a handsome caught on providing consultancy or unnecessary infrastructure to afghanistan the you may develop. a strong material interest in keeping it as

unstable how substantial do you think special interests financial special interests in keeping afghanistan so reliant on foreign aid whether that's exactly. the sort of a good deal of diet consulting fee or some other advisers who came to afghanistan and do what they were in fact it would be going to pop up on a sunday took their money and some of their money got. to hop on to something that has been decades for the president peace and i've got a son and i do believe that. that is something that had to order to people out of office and have not benefited from that situation that is why after seventy years we can see dad did pull over to live as good as going up and many of us guns what company no under poverty does it all reduce a few people with water. inside to go to all excited by this who can far outside the concept of death benefit from dot trent well if i'm not mistaken the poverty

levels in afghanistan have once again exceeded fifty percent of the population now this lack of statesmanship that the a mansion to iran seeking behavior among the countries elites how long been recognized as a problem and on the eve of every election they are candidates plotting to put an end to that what are the chances of the change actually happening comedy of presidential elections next april i do believe this election day but we did a show and it was a good examination of the failure to hop off to go to puff up on a sun but a descent go to base management of the commission. and depend upon it going to show up on its own i do believe that from now on people will decide i don't think if that sort of bottom will work into position election in six months time i do believe that many politicians and ordered people off on sunday would pressurize they go to that as well as deal what they quizzed on this if you wanted to change department because if despised and was deceived sort of system as implemented then

the position election and six months time or with a catastrophe enough on a song but that he believed that this is not going to have to politician even more to say that well i'm here to morrow they can make a deal and dick i'm going to go to or they can be tied just why would i post i did this is the fate of the people on what is on his son a double with dr five years off the. these government stage whether we make it or break it that is not big is not knowledge but edition decided to go disc we are that good this is the fate of the afghan people well mr mrs we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your being with us today thank you very much thank you thank you i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here on worlds apart.

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