the government lodged a last minute appeal to try and stop that a file to the european court of justice the government clean confidence that is of the view of many political and legal observers one person with a fit in both of these counts is a form of scottish justice secretary kenny macaskill alex spoke to him from edinburgh kenny welcome back to the alexander i'm sure oh thank you pleasure my bike but this case that's been to the court a session and there's no been saying to the luxembourg court of justice this could be a really big deal could you explain it to us. well it's almost unprecedented were fired dickey says it had been sent by the scottish court to luxembourg for clarification minimum unit pricing on alcohol was one and there's been other things but i write my brains i can't think of anything that wasn't restricted to the scottish to distraction and it's something we are scotland's going to be pivotal for the whole of the u.k. so it's a fast track procedure that will clarify the law in scotland but the law in

scotland will have application across the whole of the u.k. now as i understand that the six parliamentarians from the european parliament the scottish parliament and crucially the westminster parliament to form or join a charity the the s.n.p. spokesperson who have taking this case on a cross party basis and that's about the eleven billeted of article fifty plain persons language that means the m.p.'s could strike out if the court finds in their favor what would be the political implications if such a judgement was handed well or huge because at the present moment we've got today to me and indeed her colleagues that are left supporting are saying it's how we checkers or the highway in new deal but exit this food sure that there is an alternative which is that you could straight both of them down and you could seek to withdraw article fifty if the court agree with it so she wouldn't have our own way that it's a bad deal on an even washed deal with new deal opens up the whole debate

for parliament and it's sort of huge significance never mind the fact that scotland doing it probably is from our perspective my perspective shagun freud it won't go down well with aspects of tears so should be a touch significance to the fact that the court of session of the pew it was the last president to look carly who's the the highest judge in scotland that he was presiding with other judges who decided to send it to the european court of justice is that in itself significant. oh i think so i think the fact that he dealt with them selves sure. the gravity that they're viewing it the fact that the center we quite speedily requesting almost a quick decision sure is that they realize the importance of it so i think that perhaps our enjoying and relishing the moment because the scottish traditionally often marginalized with regard to ukraine supreme court never mind the english

courts there's no center stage so they've made it big they're making it big and it could be even bigger i get a member last year the supreme court in london ruled after all fifty at the beginning of last year how to be voted on by the parliament and that was seen as a ruling which up held parliamentary sovereignty over the government it would destroy if it came forward from the european court of justice and then the call to session saying that that could be the vest by parliament would that in that self be a for the underlining of parliamentary sovereignty oh absolutely i think it would dovetail the supreme court lay down in parliament scott its rights in a protected and this made sure that there was an alternative to the in the blink picture been painted by today's and me and it would empower parliament so at the present moment the supreme court to say to the parliament has the power that you keep a minister is trying to pretend that there's nothing left to decide other than her options are new deal if the european court courses we hope and expect then i think

parliaments and powers to be able to not just decide did it or not but to actually withdraw article fifty couldn't lead to these or me has been struggling between a backstop and some hard cases and the democratic unionist party and indeed with what little good abbott but this would open up potentially a whole new dimension come dizaei come january when the ultimate votes of jus to take place if m.p.'s at that stage had available to them through the. courts as it were a get. to see a well we have just good to say to a sudden dr who fifty until an agreement which is acceptable is on the table. oh absolutely it changes the whole dynamic of being driven down are not a group where there's only checkers or no deal i suddenly and post polman as was are made by this supreme court decision that means that labor and same p.

not just d u p have control and influence over to these in these government for however long it's going to be there so looking forward to temps of the parliamentary mechanics you would think that most people would be pleased about an opening up of options but i suspect that some of the political establishment won't see it that way well they'll see it as new european courts intervening in westminster sovereignty they'll see it as the luxembourg court telling people what to do even if it's only to see you're allowed to do this if you want to do it. oh absolutely i think the unity and reform group will be choking on the g n t's not only is that the wash night me of the utopian court that they saw despise the love of it but it's been brought the end by the jocks who divide never mind anguish votes for english laws all of a sudden scots law is actually going to be able to deliver a decision on the floor of the power policy at westminster so that as their worst

nightmare it means that there's an alternative option with the narrow parameters of the painted and it does change the whole game for the u.k. so if that ingredient is injected into what is already a fraught difficult political debate it means that the outcome of the parliamentary process is even more uncertain the more options open up the pool of potential conclusions we can have to this long running saga or absolutely and it begins to the labor party on the spot all of a sudden they come into play not only does jeremy corben perhaps to be have to be fun and more decisive about actually taking the labor party but those recalcitrance like cullen plenty seem to think that they can vote with the tories against the better than students of their constituents whatever they voted in the referendum are also going to be put on the sport so it's no longer just the majority propped up by the dea you pete all of a sudden everybody has a vote the s.n.p.

will have a considerable influence not just because of the scottish court's decision but because of their numbers and. police all they have to play for in terms of whether breaks it even happens and whether we can get article fifty rescinded so we could have a situation where it's not just the daily steeples of for mana and so tyrone it's not just the the a lot sumburgh european court of justice is the court to say edinburgh who's affectively dictating the future of britain in europe. well certainly been the trojan horse it's how i think the g. could be small to the world of the scottish court has might well have hopefully managed to deliver the opportunity to withdraw article fifty that then puts alternative options so it changes the whole nature of the b. empire as a new parliament not just theoretically as the supreme court to said that parliament should ultimately be sovereign but they're going to have a choice that is i think probably one that the majority of the people of the native

kingdom not just scotland would probably go for which is let's just call a halt to things at the moment until we see just what the alternative is it's not what was painted on the raid say on the sale of a bus. two years ago we've got to take stock and consider whether this is wise where that it's based and these things can't be rushed can occur scores the foremost goal is just to say to your well versed in these matters that relatively the market of us had very little coverage in the metropolitan media in london is that just because it's a scottish issue or do you think people have been walking up as yet to the potential significance of this forthcoming court ruling so i think it's a lot of i think the just be ignoring scotland it as a backwater it doesn't matter everybody's been focused the northern ireland of all of a sudden i think you might week up to discover that actually there was a route to the c.g.

it was by the scottish courts it doesn't have to defer to the supreme court to nurse ultimately matters can be referred to the supreme court when e.c.g. has a post here and been called in by the scottish court so i think the metropolitan focus has been to ignore scotland who cares it doesn't matter of fact it does matter and it's going to change the nature of the debate and hopefully perhaps even the situation that we're completing politically because just the famous football fan a little bit your list backcourt do you think is the most likely as it will be but exit or scott was qualification for the forthcoming european championships on in scotland or qualify breaks it would get a thank you very much thank you. scotland may have added a substantial headache to the prime minister's bricks and broken by opening up m.p.'s options in the house of commons however she may still have something to fear from the other center for assistance in the upper chamber the house of lords joined

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welcome back i school fifty may come back to haunt the prime minister in the house of commons however its original author sits in the house of lords and he is a no tight that it can be revoked. my last point is one that i've made before and i'm afraid i think i made it tedious that. but i have to again an article fifty eight invocation is not an irrevocable act withdrawing the invocation would carry no problems political or financial we would never have left the terms of our membership wouldn't have and couldn't be changed without our agreement if the government can't negotiate depicts it which even remotely resembles what was published in june tried to sixteen if hypothetically if they can and if the red line which mrs meyrick in september tried to sixty in the party conference speech

turn out to preclude any workable solution to the irish border if hypothetical then i believe the country should certainly be honest whether knowing what we know now they would prefer that the new discussion should be withdrawn i'm not delighted to be joined by one of the most active company those in the house of lords on the brakes issue well the likely the former leader apply comely death a welcome back to the alex i'd like very much indeed let's start with this. a court case coming up at the european court of justice in luxembourg which could produce a ruling which says that article fifty could be default unilaterally if the house of commons under the lords decided you know of course that's the point that it could be done unilaterally i think there's always been a belief that it could be done although the government's tried to prevent that being acceptable if it can be done unilaterally it becomes very relevant if the house of commons and perhaps those arose as well fail to support any alternative

proposals for bracks it's in those circumstances we're going to find ourselves running up against a time barrier the twenty ninth of march and if there's going to be a referendum as many of us would like to see on the outcome or possibly even a general election then there has to be a facility for delaying the article fifty until the outcome of a referendum or a general election unknown and then the from the vantage point of the house a lot of you must be said scratching your head that seems to be a commons without a majority for any proposal if there's a proposal to put to the call well that undermines. scenarios which you yourself were part of at one time when the house of commons wanted to reform the house of lords but couldn't get a majority for any single proposal it's a similar situation that we're heading for and it's a matter of frustration in the house of lords at this point in time that it is a wish to get on with it or whatever the outcome is let's make sure that is

a coherent to and try to avoid the cliff edge no deal scenario but things are bogged down in a quagmire i'm good to draw on your experience long experience as a parliamentarian somebody who had the case in a clash with the chair there in your time as a name for. the government very anxious it seems to try and prevent the common sporting up the options by amendable motion knowing what you know but the kudan speak of the. comus john bethel do you think you'll be given the commons a reasonable choice i think of john bercow certainly his own man he may have a set some people in the way that he has used his code was but by and large he's not captive to the establishment and therefore if there was a motion raising in the house of commons to give a greater freedom to the house perhaps to set standing orders on one side for those purposes i can well imagine speaker bercow being amenable to that sort of way

forward i was a parliamentarian surely that is the right thing to do well the right thing to do is to allow parliament to consider all the options that the best deliver the best outcome in what is an immensely serious issue now that we must not allow the rules or regulations of the red tape and the procedures of parliament to prevent the reaching of the best outcome for the peoples of these islands. the company of just elected a new leader price if you used to sit in the commons but were first both an member of that they've become a part of the campaign to impeach the then prime minister tony blair the iraq war adams come to the leadership like of me as a member of the national assembly no how do you see his prospects of lifting plied to greater success so i don't as an outstanding parliamentarian who's here and the character in the national assembly he has a vision that runs way beyond wales and he has an inspiring quality that can boost played camry's membership and activism and i think we are opening

a new chapter perhaps we might even be following the road that scotland has shown this but as i remember i think under your leadership like oh poor all the s.n.p. and they can make a name wasn't like that oh well that was a great election in one thousand nine hundred ninety if we did go to some three percent or more off labor would have been the largest party and you think that in place a bill to to make it well i'm quite certain here's a capability but even more so that is the vision to do something with the job when he gets there and that he can play a role. for wills as you did for scotland ludwig a member of one of the key committees studying blix i know you're limited in what you can say about the evidence that you received in confidence but generally speaking i mean that evidence does that indicate that some of the the warnings that have been freely given them publicly at club are not exaggerations or do mongering but may well come to pass of those are an ordeal blacks or very much so i mean is the trades of committees that i'm on and we look at matters such as the transport

issues such as. london is going to cope with with bricks it and the evidence in public session that to have been given has shown quite clearly that people who are at the sharp end just want to the detail they want to get on with it they don't want to perpetuate holding back and getting fairly strident bono about it now so that has a lot of has plenty of politics played out tenet and of course we should remember there's an anti but exit majority in the in the house a lot but generally speaking people would argue that house of lords committees often go into an element of detail that sometimes they have the house of commons mrs because they're people too busy scoring political points do you think the house the logs committee has that emphasis is oh i think there is a lot of committees can do two things they can they have more time to look at some much as it has accomplished just don't have the time to do so and they also have a degree of expertise people whose background to a certain walks of life industry commerce and all the rest the bring that to the

table and enable them to ask the right question at the appropriate time so the laws as the the watchdog of the bracks and constitution yes and to feed the information that comes to the commons so they can take better decisions but you still in favor of an elected house so very much so that i'm a democrat. i've worked with thank you very much like largely is that convinced you to appear however how do the crossbenches in the lords believe that the bricks into new will will play out in the efforts alex spoke to largeness here on it and badness it in buying the city in. delighted to have your bow examined sure thank you very much and we're delighted to be on your show madama klaten to you first what we've been discussing the possibility that the luxembourg court might rule the article fifty is revokable can be reversed if that were to happen in late november would that be something you think the host of lords would treat very seriously as

an option i definitely do because i think that the house of lords even when the bill came to the house of lords after the house of commons made the current changes that we have and a lot of the excuses given by the government were that look according to the treaty article fifty now we are bound to come out in march twenty nineteen and so therefore i think if the court decides then obviously they'll be a new debate in the house of lords and i think also a nationwide would you say that you think the interventions of the house of lords passing many amendments to the brakes that legislation what influential in widening the scope of the debate i'm not quite sure how many what the difference was in terms of i think it's part of thousand more. amendments different in terms of the scrutiny provided by the house of commons in the house of lords you can see the

breath of knowledge and thinking and dedication to having a proper thorough discussion and there meaningful. outcome for what is been constitutional and public. a mess in the house of lords you have a very different kind of mentality obviously there are three whips of which are very strong conservative labor and liberal democrats but the crossbenchers and the independence the core as they wish and a lot are met i suspect some of them were. going up to the un saying well damn it we could appreciate your support and most crucial amendment coming up in the house of commons they come with the whip and they say you have to vote in the house of those that beg said please can you stay behind could you please supporters on this particular so i think the whole thing changes in the house of lords and people when

they have their own conscience and belief and if they've been lobbied they tend to we tend to certainly vote with conscience and of course in the labor party because i was part of the labor party liberals also ask me. maybe independents or rather cross-benchers who have amendments and we support them too but you don't have the same pressure that's the point i'm making that you don't have the same pressure because you would have known many colleagues in the labor party or conservatives who would not even know what the amendment is but did know that they've got to vote yes or no in the lobby is what wigley i want to be slightly earlier made the point that this analogy between reform the lords and breck's it and if you remember reform of the lords had so many options but not a single one of them could carry a majority though we have a break so here it is possible that there's no majority for any of the options even

if there were to arrive at what could you see in the summer well we may sat guru arc as conscious would say and a big big mess that is and now the translation i don't know i think that if there is no simple solutions either for bricks it now given what we've done or the house of lords reform although i wait for the day that it is an all elected house if in a world you were to look at the crystal ball for the other part of those year or perhaps what happened yes or no but in a city no. law dammit. i think if treason make at it hell way she's trying to do that but i think there are a lot of difficulties so far especially this court decision especially when there are people in both houses who are saying now by january if she doesn't get this deal already the europeans are threat in that they can extend one here on with the irish border situation but not more

a lot of you have lived up to your reputation of never going one work for several eloquence and this is a good actor i don't have a crystal ball but what i do have for you both is that alex salmond quick so says the first time you've been interviewed in the studio because you passed by the city perfect quick as you both know is a very long scarlet for loving cup traditionally a scotch whisky but i haven't brew it's an excellent drink under scottish and the quick of a comedy it. thank you for the orange juice persevere this stain i love viola who only has never had a wild goose axe of acetone oh your friendly sweet and the up again oh no we have it thank you so much very much thank you. over the last few months the government has been keen to set the terms of the bracks at the base final stages at least in parliamentary terms they hope to be able to claim commons assent for the promised

meaningful vote on an under mandible take no motion standing in the way as the still formidable presence of the speaker of the commons john bafta under fire but reportedly determined to low the commons a proper choice of amendments and then there is the upper house if the commons were to pass a but accept plan by a big majority it is unlikely that the laws would be a decisive spoke in the prime minister's wheel over to these i'm a would settle for the majority one right no and the noble lords might still of a hand to play. finally there's just the possibility that a lot somebody's court ruling on offical fifty might be the straw that breaks the camel's back faced of mounting problems on seventy with time running out it is possible m.p.'s might if the able to vote in that direction stop the clock and blacks while they allow the people to decide in a general election on a follow referendum and has said that the last possible date for

a meaningful commons vote is the week beginning the theft in full january twenty ninth. the romans were told to we have the ides of march for two lisa may the ides of january may be every bit as dangerous and so from this meet on myself and all the alex i'm in show it's goodbye for now.

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