one hundred seventy four. s. now this unit per wanted to construct you know. billions but later they decided to invest it in common project discuss through on the from the netherlands to the water so i saw a lot of projects coming and going but at the end the price is the most important because and the price is likely to have a big impact on any future decisions but just price aside i mean in terms of the reliability of transportation of the two methods of gasoline the versus shipping to pop lines i mean how does that compare also perhaps environmental effects does one method of supplying one gas type have any advantage over the other. this is somehow a question and is somehow also part of the discussion the enviro and viral mental impact paris. paris summit you know or setting

the goals. we will see that we will need to additional gas for sure since you know the production that the lancet in germany is declining but russia is you know as you could see in the last year you know increasing increasing from year to year the export to the european market last year was like hundred ninety three billion cubic meters for the european market as well as for the turkish republic and they also invest in turks stream there's also a second string play for four or four southeast europe. you know i mean what we see the volumes are coming from the from the united states or from los america to europe are very very small basically they have the east asian market which is much more you know interesting in the economically wire ball than the european market and it takes. a lot of years until elegy

is really computed two or four or four pipeline gas from from the russian federation or indeed so many factors at play here in the e.u.'s energy policy matters the one felt political analyst at the berlin center forecast in region studies for university of berlin thanks for your expert analysis that a on that story. or that sets from myself and the team here for this hour join us again eleven pm moscow time for the latest global news headlines.

manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the larry. king or middle of the room. welcome to. nazi a sexual abuse in the catholic church is once again in the spotlight was encouraged to europe and north america what can be done to make

a big thing of the past call himself a survivor insider against sexual abuse is with me today to talk about this. another way for six year to do celebrations is hit the catholic church with reports painting a grim picture of systemic implying that even high ranking church officials are complicit will pope francis take the fight against abuse personally and be able to break the system what are the roots of this plague that's easy no way of the church and how will it transform the global catholic. palma warman survivor and fighter against sexual abuse welcome to the show it's great to have you with us today so you have been campaigning for accountability of clerical child abuse for more than twenty years what kind of change have you made over this time what are your successes. well i think our gracious success has been finally exposing the fact not just that the abuses happened on us on the scale that we've been talking about for

many years but that it's endemic within the roman catholic church that it's systemic. and the coverup of abuse by church authorities was a willful intended program that was designed to protect the institution its power and its money and that it was operated and directed by the vatican at the global level and that it's been a global cover up i think that's something we've never really clearly exposed so we're going to go through all of that step by step but first ireland is a very catholic country when you came out publicly about your deal when you see the vatican where you supported by the irish or catholics around the world. it was a makes generally speaking when i went very public. i made a documentary with a european television station in two thousand and two and when that aired there was a very very strong in support of response from people here in our in our into

particular but of course there were people who didn't want me to speak about what was happening i mean i got people warning me that i should spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder i got death threats while in the main i got a huge amount of support i think people were uphold not just the the the crimes of rape and abuse that reflected on me and many others by the priest in my own case with more by the cover up of those crimes the facilitation of them the collusion with them that we were able to expose by catholic bishops and indeed by the vatican itself so how hard was it for you to make your case how did church resistance change things for you where you prevented it from speaking out what was i mean first of all it was very difficult to get to the point where i could challenge my own. i suppose internal inhibitors the the the only spoken authority of the church wasn't something that was external to me it was internal so when i first start to think about it and in the mid one thousand nine thousand about one thousand nine

hundred four about doing something about what had happened to me more than a decade earlier. my first instinct was to contact the bishop from as opposed to contacting the police so i had bought into this idea that the church was the ultimate authority and that it was it was to them that i needed to look to thankfully i didn't instead i decided about six months later in february of one nine hundred ninety five that i would make a complete complaint directly to the police here in arlington that's what i did. the priest who would abuse me the priest who raped me when i was fourteen years of age was known to be a sexual abuser when he was ordained a priest and the church knew about his offending behavior and they were doing to him he continued to abuse. from his ordination right through his entire career as a priest and he was still a priest and active ministry when i went to the police in one thousand nine hundred five he was only removed from ministry immediately after the the church's response to what i and others were alleging was to first of all deny deny that abuse happened then to deny the idea that they knew anything about abuse of the that they

understood us and when they finally had to acknowledge that abuse was happening that tried to suggest this was just a few bad apples this was about a couple of you know bad people who had infected the priesthood and were doing terrible things. when we called from when i campaign for accountability on the part of the institutional church there was an effort to suggest that the church was above the law that the state could not investigate the church that the church was protected from any kind of station vest a geisha and indeed the church asserted here in arlington it's done across the world but their own rules canon law the internal law of the church is superior to the law of the state in any jurisdiction which is within which they operate so we have to get over lash and of course there are all the accusations of being dishonest of being deceitful of being anti catholic of trying to undermine the church. of being a liar of being a fountain there were attacks on my personal integrity all of that kind of thing

was so based on the whole everything that you have cite right now are these the only reasons or is there like something else that actually makes the dims of child sexual abuse choose to report the crime many years later like you did as well. well i suppose the first thing that i've worked also clinically with with people have been sexually assaulted my background actually as a psychotherapist working with the terms of sexual violence i've never worked with an adult or child victim of sexual violence who hasn't somehow spoken of what happened to them now in the context of children they speak of their smore behaviorally them verbally because they don't have a language to explain what's happened to them i mean even when i was fourteen years of age this was back in one nine hundred eighty one there wasn't a language available to me to allow me to understand never mind explain part of happened and what this man was doing it was an incredibly frightening confusing threatening time in my life when suddenly the act that he perpetrated upon me.

called into question everything that i believed about the world i mean up until that point i've been told some fairly fundamental things as fact warm that the church was good and the priests above all were good and were never to be questions they were absolutely called to that if i behaved myself and was a good person everything would be ok three that adults would only ever hurt me if i did something wrong so therefore if i've been heart i must have done something wrong and then suddenly i'm raped by a catholic priest the was there was no way i could understand that never mind articulate and i was so shamed by what had happened. i internalized all of that shame and that silenced me now that was me at fourteen. at six at seven at eight at ten it's going to be even more difficult for children to speak of victims of sexual violence carry the shame of society the shame that society on the perpetrator of the crime. and that shame becomes very

internalized and it's very silencing. i should also say that it's very threatening to speak out you know if one knows that the perpetrator and the institution around the perpetrator is incredibly powerful and at the time and up until relatively recently the concept of church was more powerful than the state of the conflict church was more powerful than our parliament when it came to what happened within our society. it's a fairly intimidating institution to challenge so we're now seeing a flurry of sex abuse scandals around the catholic church once again most of that church that has been accused of covering up sexual abuse to german church is mired in the number of sexual abuse scandals there's another case in france some more american scandals popping up with federal a torn is a lot of what is behind the latest wave. well you just see more and more revelations i mean i think what's significant finally is that we're seeing state authorities federal authorities in the united states have announced that they've opened up the department of justice has opened up an investigation into

pennsylvania and it's believed that investigations into other states at the federal level will also follow. but there has for whatever reason been a reluctance on the part of states to step in and investigate these crimes and in particular these cover ups that finally happened in australia recently one of our big successes from two thousand and two on was winning those inquiries here in aren't so i campaign for an inquiry known as the friends inquiry in two thousand and two but finally got up and running in two thousand and three and reported in two thousand and eight and it was one of the first such inquiries to look at the role of both the church and state authorities in the management of concerns our suspicions our complaints of child sexual abuse perpetrated by roman catholic priests here in ireland and that's a very deep and systemic failures within the church but also within state law and policy and practice but it also pointed the finger at the vatican so states need to step in and that's only happening more recently but of course what's also critical

is that as soon as a victim speaks as soon as somebody decides to speak publicly provides an opportunity or an opening for all there is to speak. and that's been very significant it's you know i'm i'm twenty one twenty four years more nearly twenty five years at this point since i went public and spoke about this for the first time and it never ceases to amaze me that every time i speak on this i get contacted by people who say me too who say that. i never thought i could speak about this but now i think that i have to. so it's the opening up of us really the breaking open of silence allows people to speak but also the the new laws that are being. made for this kind of cases have a lot of loopholes in them for instance in pencil ennia which like you mentioned has seen the. as wave of child sex abuse revelations a law is in the works which on one hand will allow the dems to sue their predators even if the abuse is beyond the statute of limitation but on the other the victim

will only be allowed to sue a person not an institution so what sense will this law make for victims of their predators maybe dad by the time anyway there's no one to bear responsibility for what happened to them. well i think that's why we have to be very clear about the critical obligation of states so if we look at what international law says about states it's for the state to guarantee access to justice and remedy for victims of human rights violations and obviously the rape or sexual assault of a child or of any person is a human rights violation so in however a state is going to put in place a remedy to guarantee access for justice that has to guarantee access and blocking . remedies involving institutions is problematic but i can also see why from the point of view of taking on the roman catholic church it might be important to begin to identify named individuals because for example the catholic church has so many

different personalities legal and otherwise that it can be very hard to identify how the institution is to be sued so when i decided i would sue the pope i had to work out what am i going to sue the pope as the bishop of rome i'm going to sue him as the supreme pontiff of the roman catholic church i'm going to sue the legal personality of the holy see which has observer status of the united nations i'm going to sue the vatican city state and him as head of the vatican city state which personality will i pursue and we've seen in australia and even efforts to do the same here in ireland where a catholic diocese of effectively said well you can't sue us because we don't exist we are not legal persons they're not incorporated they don't exist as a legal entity as with any kind of. statues so they can be very very difficult to pursue the church has been very good for two thousand years and at developing structures and mechanisms that allow it to be accountable to find

a way to not be held accountable for its failings on its own crimes and it can be tricky to find laws and to design laws that can hold a property accountable but it's the obligation of states to do the. right we're going to take a short break right now when we're back will continue talking to a warm and. survivor and again sexual abuse talking about the sex abuse crisis in the catholic church stay with us. the thing about saudi arabia. they get too close to investigating what's going on there they push the price of oil up. because of fracking in america america

positioned itself as energy independent and no longer. subject to the political pressures. from opec and the saudis so we're going to see a real test of this because. all of the litany of horrors coming out of saudi arabia is making people. join me every week on me all excited i'm sure and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics. i'm sure i'll see you.

know we're back with call no bormann survivor and fire again sexual abuse discussing they were professionals to late as revelations of child sex abuse for a catholic church a call one pope francis was elected in two thousand and thirteen he called for decisive action in tackling the issue of child sexual abuse do you see ill that the action has been taken. frankly no i think francis has been enormously disappointing on this issue and i don't say that with any pleasure i admire much of what he has to say on a whole range of social justice issues from refugees to people on the margins to poverty. to discrimination i think he's a strong advocate for a whole range of issues but on this issue he's been he's been enormously disappointing for example when he went to chile a couple of years ago a country that's been really blighted by revelations of sexual abuse and cover up

of those crimes within the roman catholic church there and when victims spoke out about the appointment of a bishop who had known who was known to have covered up the abuse of a perpetrator by a priest rather than honestly respond to that charge and address it the pope accused the victim of spoken up of slander he accused them of comedy which means slander and he attacked their integrity now afterwards when there was a huge public reaction to that he rolled back and said oh well i haven't been properly briefed by bishops and i've been misled by them before i before i travel to well you know that's either dishonest or it's incompetent the vatican itself had carried out investigations into that case as early as twenty eleven and for many decades now it has been an obligation on bishops to report any allegation of the sexual abuse or rape of a child or minor to the vatican which decides how that case is to be handled and much should happen next so the vatican had chapter and verse on modern happened in

chile francis knew he was going to a country where the abuse issues were a big deal so he either didn't bother to get briefed or he was briefed and decided to be disingenuous and dishonest in how he responded there none of that look schooled well how do you think that public repentance will help the problem how will it stop perverts from molesting boys and girls. well i think first of all it's i can understand why some people might fixate on the idea of repentance almost from a religious perspective what i'm interested in is truth and justice and frankly love in its in its pop in its truest possible meaning and the kind of principles that churches are meant to be grounded in and the values that they're meant to reflect so i have no desire to see pope francis or any bishop or cardinal are any church leader humiliated. are exposed in that way when i do want them to do is to stand for truth to stand for justice to reveal the facts of what was known of what

they knew of how their institution and they responded to these crimes and to make themselves properly accountable including before the law i wonder if the pope is doing as much as he can in a framework that and paradigm that he exists for and says i know that in february he's going to simone as bishops council to a council to discuss the sexual abuse problem i mean i don't know if that's going to change anything but he's doing that and he has said recently that his efforts are kind of bearing fruit that the number of new cases are law compared to the old ones that they church attitude towards sex abuse has changed and now has a new conscience about it do you feel that he may have a point there i mean it's kind of heart to doubt his sincere conviction. i'm afraid it's not hard to do. the objective evidence is there for why people should first of all pope francis is the last elected absolute monarch on the planet

he is an absolute monarchy is the supreme pontiff of the roman catholic church under church t.c. teaching he is the representative of st peter of god on earth he has that kind of power he has an entire judicial system available to him he has the mecca mechanisms of a state of washington city state its laws its police force its criminal justice process he has the own questioning loyalty of many many many billions of catholics are millions of catholics around the world he is an incredibly powerful individual with one wart with the stroke of a pen he can change much of church law when it comes to how these issues are to be addressed he has not done so and he's not the first pope to summon bishops to rome after revelations of scandals are revealed and those huge public outrage pope benedict or the pope john paul the second did us and these summits amount to an awful lot of pictures of people looking solemn and very little change and as for the suggestion that we can now believe that there's less of us will based on what

evidence the church doesn't reveal the number of cases that are reported to us are i would manage as such there's absolutely no transparency some afraid i don't take any comfort in any assurances from the vatican that they're taking this seriously because to this day no pope has told the plain truth not a single pope no senior representative of the vatican has ever honestly acknowledge the fact of the coverup they've denied they've suggested it's a lie and when they've begun to acknowledge that the myth may have been a cover up in recent years they've pointed the finger to bishops at the local level despite all of the evidence that clearly exposes the fact that this cover up was directed at the most senior level from the vatican i always wonder why those most of this. you ponder upon you think why do all this sex abuse and sex scandals are within the catholic church maybe being celibate is not something that is required

for a pris by the bible right now it's not required for critique orthodox church for my priest has like eight kids so other christian churches do not require celibacy from chris the orthodox church like i said even encourages priests to have families at some point the roman phrase could marry as well if i remember correctly so maybe if it isn't something that is set in stone could it be overturned do you think that could partially help the problem could the pope say one day enough of this and go and find wives would that maybe help get rid of this problem but a couple quick things i mean first of all we know about what's happening within the roman catholic church i think in part because of its size and scale and its global influence the fact that we've been able to expose more to five happening right across the roman catholic world that's become a huge and significant issue but i should say that as a as a therapist i've worked with many people who've been abused within different faiths some within different religious sessions and churches so it's not unique to the

roman catholic church and what the roman catholic church is perhaps unique because of its global reach and scale. on the question of the link between celibacy and pedophilia i don't think the link is a direct one in the way that you're suggesting as. indeed there's no research to suggest that it has and just personally as a man i don't understand how a requirement to be celibate would somehow turn. an adult into somebody who was sexually assaulted child if i'm in a position where i'm being forced to be celibate and i don't feel that i can manage that i may well decide but i have a clandestine sexual relationship with another adult but not with a child. require our you know needing to break the requirement for some. say doesn't turn people into child rapists it perhaps turns people into people who have hidden sexual adult relationships and you know that there's no link to suggest

something between between the two. however the fact. the catholic church is an institution and the priesthood is a vocation an institution within which one hides one are denies one's sexual south that itself may or may be one of the reasons why he explained people with very dark and sinister aspects to their sexuality or their sexual conduct are attracted to it and equally it's a role that gives and has given people extraordinary access to children and i don't question control and access to children so the ability for a sexual offender to access victims should be free to abuse with with impunity has been extraordinary so i think those are the dimensions of the church its structure the structure of the priesthood the fact that the church not only want to prevent abuse from happening but it will collude in it being corrupt it will facilitate us it is often seen the priest almost as

a victim and the child as the temper of the priest it's over it's concern has generally been for the priest and for the institution and out of it all for the victim just really briefly because we're running out of time but if you take away the white colors and the oregon sounds other stories of sexual abuse will end up looking very similar to those who just discussed the way i talk to women who suffered rape in the u.s. military the same attempts to cover up to shame the victim are there it's the same there are many cases of sexual abuse of minors in boarding schools orphanages you mention that as well is the charge really that different from the rest of the world in this regard i feel like it's probably maybe a marrow of the society. absolutely norm in the church at the end of the day despite its proclamation of itself as a divine institution it's a human institution it's run by people it's run by men and we are flawed and we don't always conduct ourselves properly. and institutions generally work to protect

themselves and the more powerful the institution the more money the more authority the more position of house the more aggressively and even violently it's inclined to protect itself and we see that right across the world i worked for many years in the united kingdom we saw their major investigations into historic abuse of children in council run homes and in homes in institutions that were run by the state their institutions work to protect themselves and again that's why it's incredibly important that we have laws put in place by the state but that ensure and demand good child protection practice but also that punish those who would cover up or facilitate these crimes as well as those who perpetrate them called thank you so much for. your interview for your time for this inside wish you all the best of luck in everything that you're doing. thank you very much and i hope you succeed for talking to call mom bormann survivor insider sexual abuse demand

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