also i want to talk about these nato exercises which i don't think are getting enough western coverage in the media be it's a significant event and with the withdrawal from the i.n.f. treaty and these exercises i think we can draw some conclusions here ok first i want to go to martin j. he is in our beirut he is a freelance broadcast journalist martin bring us up to speed what's going on with the can show be a fair and how turkey is behind the scenes pulling a lot of strings and a lot more than that go ahead martin. well this is not what's being reported out there nearly not by western media you have a huge deal on the table between turkey and saudi arabia we have to remember that these are frenemies are not very close allies in the region saudi arabia hates turkey for being friends and supporters and muslim brotherhood hates being close to qatar and iran and they can see it sees it in terms of germany as being a sort of a competitor if you like and so what turkey's been doing. capitalizing on this extraordinary show your third and he's trying to look at the of the things that

we're hearing what i'm hearing from my sources in turkey is holding out for a better deal in qatar much more investment in turkey obviously from the saudis you know and more and perhaps some say tional there a sort of assistance if you like from the saudis in his bigger plan his bigger and visions in the region if you'd like to be a much more bigger regional player he's go quite huge a huge ambitions about the role of turkey in the middle east ok mark what it what are the chances of his success i mean his his you know he gets everything in his bucket list what are the possibilities of that. it's really difficult to say i mean what's the most interesting thing so take away from the inverse of compost a few days ago was the hill which was one hundred some of them actually mentioned briefly or posed a few was about qatar to me that was a signal that was a sign coded sign to the americans and to the turks that we could we could trade we

could lift the blockade on cancer but some of this other stuff this pioneer stuff comes from took you at the moment you know there's just no chance that we're going to give the talks any of that so i think that really just held up to saudis he's bitten off all too much and he can chew in these in these deals and that's why we've got this stalemate and that's why we're getting more and more sensational press leaks and threats from medical and because you know he has got the sound is exactly what he wants to feed and he is holding out for a bigger deal but i don't think he's going to get the big one the real the real of ground zero if you like of being helped it is regional ambitions to be a bigger power ok mark really to leave it at that we'll have you on next week with the update thank you very much and let me go to you here mark i mean reflect on what martin had to say yeah every week we've obviously got started a wind is a parting beast but ultimately his greed is running away with him here his if you think it means that you don't have any audio and videotapes i was so i have

no doubt about that this bloody gina hospital taking a trip over there and she at the head of the cia and she said that she found the evidence compelling that was the words that she used compelling so i think our go on though is no argument in bush and perhaps gone a bit too far here and certainly saudi may layoff of qatar the united states wants them to do that as well and it hasn't netted them any benefits and guitar certainly has been buckling down but ultimately mahaba been so. rahman is going to be ruling saudi arabia for a long time and that's what i'm good at and he will not forget this. and that's the big debate right here ok because i've been watching very closely expert opinion that i trust and it's not one hundred percent sure i think it's likely that he will

stick around it's not one hundred percent sure we think and i think it obviously they would like for him to go as they must americans i think they would also preferred him to go and replace with someone else but of the day it's starting to look as if it's not going anywhere and so sensitive i think they want to sell the story that it was like student or a whole list of excuses but at the end of the day i think the there's a lot of us and also europe to begin to buy this story as well so i have a list of excuses with here what do you think i mean it's really put trump into an mccrone as we saw the last few days but a lot of these european leaders and the american president turned into somewhat of a fix i would say. but i would agree with one there's a lot of people who would like to see him leave there are a lot of people like this to go away to write a lot of people like this to go away i think the crown prince is going to be staying in place the but it's very awkward if we look at everything oh it's

possible that they were rogue attackers. oh i don't want to believe it if it's true right right oh man we have these hundreds of you know one hundred sixty billion dollars weapons deal with a lot of jobs that think we need to be careful on disrupting the region and of course we know saudi arabia is behind the. behind the oil dollar the petro dollar essentially and so it puts a lot of threats both from a arms sales perspective as well as. as well as those the stability of the dollar i would say reputation doesn't matter here. i saw the most oddest headline this week a.f.p. headline geopolitics complicated justice for murder journalist that's it that's it i thought it was supposed to be glenn's learned their statement that he's our ally . or i want to point out to our viewers here i mean porn policy with stephen walt

it is this is a brilliant article how to get away with murder saudi edition and he gives ten points if there's a car with a bus and then them discover give him a real quick here you know a lot of mine it never happened number two ok we did something bad but we didn't do it on purpose we can see we go through the levels here we had no choice number five it was for the greater good next everyone does it our opponents do it even more than we do serve an imprecise restraint and it gets better a certain special status what we did wasn't really wrong because we're different play the guilt card and apologize and number ten the punch line the rumsfeld defense stuff it's. also it's mostly. wind out of you know but see this is this is a bit satirical obviously but there's a lot of truth to this ok in what i'm just pointing out and i think what's going to

branka park recy if this had been a rainy and dissident going into a rainy and consulate in istanbul in the same story came out they would be united nations security council resolutions they would be more sanctions that we've threats of war but not in this case i think what makes this a bit different this because the turks have been releasing the information gradually the saudis actually go through all of these steps let's go to the truth well if you don't tell the truth if but if if the turks were releasing everything at once the saudis could adjust their excuse according to at least but because you have this comes out every day they can have to run through the whole is to one. wouldn't you weeks then. of the mostly he literally result he's playing the bizarre . plane with he had it. and was he's got all the information that i think the evidence is real and he's just t.v. leaking this law and he's got. his strategic objective that he wants to obtain and

he's going to pull this so basically it's almost like a ramp some kind of court going on out there a loop or everyone plays a set a cutting short term game but from a few years ago when turkey had no enemies everyone in the past few years has annoyed or pissed off the united states with this business in syria with with the kurds russia by shooting down one of their planes and continuing to back jihadists in syria. now saudi arabia israel every surrounding power of course from greece to our many are i i'm not betting on a long life expectancy for mr erdogan personally you could only push things too far you can't piss off every superpower but there's a worry that our every would have agreed on every since we've been talking about this man and he's a survivor and i think that's what he's best at ok surviving all of this here this

playing these different factions and countries off each other that's what keeps him in power i think he will be a little run for a long time. yes was also the mystic support for of course so but if the economy goes. at the end of the day that's what he would that so you see extorting. underwriting him right now and now he wants to sell it he's a star. yeah well. again it's i think here mark kind of pointed out well that is short term he's seem to have a lot a lot of leverage he can squeeze the saudis for a lot but in the long run that might be the especially if i miss things in power that they will do or they will essentially get back at him because every country does some through those who are hostile proxy could we see that like with syria which we'll talk about it here possibly i mean the don't really have the same interests saudis are effectively underwriting the kurds right now the proxy

government that the us is setting up saudi arabia is paying for that which is one of the reasons of course what the united states is. the government at least is pushing this under the table this far as they can but this. is a day i'm sure we will be talking about well right before we go to the break here on u.s. policy. the crown prince may stay or go but the policy with saudi arabia stays stays absolutely it's been in place for. sure decades and i also. additionally the u.s. part of this whole their whole paul national strategy their policy is to maintain it be basically being the extra all guarantor. of the middle east oil flow access to it control of it and the partnership with with saudi arabia against iraq ok but they've also brought saudi arabia and israel

together as friends i mean that's quite an icon remarkable north yemen right gentlemen yemen going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion a real new state with our. survival guide books to see if you want to start. repatriations to look at the rest in seventy years. philip a separate kaiser report. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars and. more than ten white collar crime stamped each

day. eighty five percent of global wealth you longs to be old for rich eight point six percent market saw thirty percent minus one is your home with four hundred to five hundred trees per second per second and bitcoin rose to twenty thousand dollars. china is building a two point one billion dollar a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need remember one one business shows you can afford to miss the one and only. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy one from day shouldn't let it be an arms race is on all sides very dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk.

what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. some want to. have to go right to be close to survival before three in the morning can't be good . i'm interested always in the waters of my house which. question. i would prefer to say. the human space is must make into prana terry wish me instead so we have a living in the solar system. and for sure we show that spans on other. another goal of this system i see these and so way bringing them

developing more technologists and technologists so that they can even. say increase in the end improve the quality of life for no. thought. was. welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names.

ok let me go to earl here during the break you mentioned the wolf it's doctrine why go ahead of peter i mean look at this you know we mentioned we talked earlier about full spectrum dominance and an influence over not just the region but globally and if we look back at the wolfowitz doctrine. the whole the whole basis of that was u.s. supremacy. and being the only sole superpower and doing whatever is necessary to maintain that status and you've got paul wolfowitz involved you've got vice president cheney who had a special role in that bolton was actually part of those different capital and different positions during that timeframe and it went from starting out in the in the reagan in the bush one time period. really had. to bush two full blown into

bush to correct it actually took some basic shifts but maintain the same tenant that were originally documented and basically it's it's as senator you know one of the deceased's late center edward kennedy said this is a doctrine for us supremacy in imperialism one that no country. should go along and support ok but it was a hundred and then he went to obama and now in this this is the bipartisan here this ties into the withdrawal from the i.n.f. treaty which i think it's really interesting because full spectrum dominance means being able to act unilaterally ok and this is exactly what's happening in this administration here and john bolton has all been a long proponent of unilateral action is going to spin a lot of folks on the european opera however i wouldn't overstate the door exaggerated too much because we've seen this in the past if remember back in one

thousand nine hundred ninety one the united states under clinton argued that perhaps they should start to develop a missile defense shield what happened in europe you had the germans the french despite. the dutch essential all of western europe the united said no this is a horrible day you're going to disrupt a nuclear balance of power the russians going to have to come to us aid they're going to have to compensate somehow the i.m.f. might honorable all this argument came out however what happened two years later when the united states actually did withdraw from it they said well these are the new realities either you can accept it or you can begin to risk our alliance solidarity and and this is everyone started to fall in line and i think that was it was not just accidental this is there a deliberate strategy and we find out that we found out through the wiki leaks cosimo we have you know very interesting territory for this radar sometimes getting proper footprint of russia and the u.s. ambassador to norway he pretty much was very open saying well we got to put a lot of pressure on the norwegians make them change their mind because we opposed

it and essentially break this down to being all about aligned solidarity once this because the issue they will turn and then a few months later be reported but yes we put some pressure on the government journalists everyone on that one eighty and so we need a lot of investment he entreaty didn't. pass the possible arms race the withdrawal from the could mark i do. to send it in and it's not necessary you know let me be very clear i can see the flaws in the weaknesses of this treaty that was the warsaw pact existed at the time here but walking away from it we're not replacing it or even beginning to start some kind of new talks about nonproliferation and arms control i think that's a mistake well i think that if the us pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty back in two thousand one will certainly did start a new arms race and russia's new front line weapons hypersonic missiles that are all specifically designed they announced then we're going to have to take measures

they announced well they're developing them and they announce when they're deploying them which is what's happening now but bolton must have a scorecard of international treaties that he's getting rid of. one by one because he was instrumental in the back in two thousand and one and pulling the u.s. pulling out of the a.b.m. he's got the joint comprehensive plan of action now the treaty of amity and friendship between the u.s. iran and now he's the one driving at least according to the washington post and others in the western mainstream media the u.s. pulling out of the i.n.f. treaty and but there's been some some some quite interesting. vents going on so john bolton came to moscow in the last week and he met with putin and putin had had quite a comment for him as far as i remember the u.s. seal depicts an eagle on one side holding thirteen arrows but on the other side is an olive branch with thirteen olives here is the question did your eagle eat all

the all of us and only the arrows are left. but we replied i didn't bring any more olives and putin just thought i thought so but. but announced in georgia in tbilisi that he that the u.s. wants to hold strategic conversations meaning nuclear in. context of a conversation with the press about the i.m.f. with russia. about china and that's my that's what the last week of the drug might actually be trying to whether he'll get it done or not is another matter but his goal might be a new international i n f that brings china and religion it's possible but going it seems kind of counter-intuitive to me because then that would crimp this unilateralism ok i don't that would be a change maybe for someone like bolton does to suggest that when he is

a unilateralist to the core why would he want to be the father of an internet of those coming enough to just sell it that way but i later coming is one thing i mean it's a bureaucratic infighter but i mean about reality ideally the international treaties you want to constrain your other is there is about yourself and i think the legitimate weakness of the i.m.f. is drawn up in to seven so this was a book bipolar distribution of power for that reason it's constrained moscow and washington so i think it's fair to say that you know you have all this pakistan you have the chinese you have a lot of other countries who doesn't have to abide by it so in order to draw more countries into it if fair enough as you point out i think this time for updating this international treaty this gives that the world is going through a lot of changes. but. again the walking away from it might just be. you know this is a preamble to the i guess we mark maybe you know maybe maybe you know there are no

down there no discussions about dealing with the new start treaty that's going to expire in two thousand two hundred ration is given indication that it is not looking favorably on renewing it ok let's talk about nato we have really huge exercises in the. arctic i think it's the first time in thirty years an american aircraft carrier is in the arctic under. this exercise here. as i said i'm a introduction opening up of the new frontier. it sure does look like it we have we have the largest exercises since the end of the cold war i mean i used to participate in some of those exercises back in the eighty's. not in the. late eighty's. we've got. we've got the a.b.m. sites being set up in poland romania i think czech scada targeting facilitate our facility and we've got now looks like we're going to be moving a division into poland forward stationed and we've got some troops you know

rotational basis in the baltic baltic sure does appear that we've got a unprovoked by the way a kind of forward movement of a new from. occurring. but why is norway so keen on at least official doorway so keen on this kind of things i thought you were a kind of a peaceful people well you know what you said about holding the compass a bit divided on this course in the north they're actually to do a lot of work with russia and relations are quite good also they remember the second world war because we were under nazi occupation and the red army actually came in to the north of the country and liberated libya liberated it sorry and once it was liberated they promoted said you will come and they went back so we didn't have the eastern european experience as actually so but also we adopted the narrative of the poles because nato solidarity like the russians will come for us but in the north they never bought into this so we did the country is

a little bit they are divided on this but there that being said you are correct i mean in terms of per capita norway is second only to the us in nato in terms of military spending since last year we going to hosting american troops in the way that we're going to putting the british helping the arctic with developing the invited to the radio side radar to monitor russia so there's a lot of what can be interpreted. most certainly from russia's perspective i mean you have this vast military alliance but there are several moving closer to your border but there's a reason behind the because the arctic is developing very fast at the moment and so you militarize it how you want what you do say a demilitarized arche could get everybody to sign that it would not be a better idea yes but the arctic will be it looks like it might be chinese russian lead because in general this year the chinese released the first white paper on the arctic they refer to as the polar sea world so essentially putting the arctic route into their one world one belt and russia is now accommodating them to cooperate to

develop the arctic so for transportation east west energy scientific kid development so there will be a lot of corporation there and so essentially what the americans and british are saying is we will be a lot of competition as you know candy and so you're right this mostly military tools. nato has to counter this so we're going to is a military organization looking for a mission the arctic well i mean we've seen those cold war tensions we've talked about it on the show and the qana nato's in the last year was the biggest military exercise since the end of the cold war then russia had their vos talk two thousand and eighteen just a few months ago we thought that biggest military exercises since the end of the cold war albeit they were very far from nato as boarders in the far east and now nato is back again with trying to end juncture we're talking some fifty thousand troops two hundred fifty aircraft sixty five navy vessels ten thousand military

vehicles all parked right on russia's borders and they're practicing this shipping are what would actually happen in a conflict against russia on the continent of bringing into a conflict theater large amounts of military equipment from the u.s. and all that really resonates through russia russia is not the target that's completely ridiculous but the norwegian defense minister did say one on this thing russia is not a direct threat to norway well it isn't but you're doing your best to make you give glenn the last word as a norwegian while he makes. this is in a time speak and he always makes that argument about the direct threat to norway however norway has to look after its allies which i find interesting because the british a british general made the argument yesterday the. threat to norway and we have to look after our allies so it seems that no one is seeing a direct thrust an attack on them but we're just there warm of fluff and want to look after and we're going to keep. nato solidarity you know well so there it is

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