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show but first forty four years ago today muhammad ali was celebrating his eighth round rumble in the jungle knock out against george foreman in what is now the democratic republic of congo in those days americans arguably did more than take a knee at a game they said things like this about nature a nation foreign intervention in the developing world and went to jail for it not. bad all right you might. not. happen if. you want to. you want me to go from one fight what you want to. while britain's biggest stars have yet to turn out against to raise a maze hostile environment legacy the u.s. does of course have swapped stars like this who have upset president donald trump have cops that are murdering people we have cops in s.f. p.d.
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that are blatantly racist and those issues need to be addressed less outraged ruggedly than i leave it cavanagh like the legend is also internationalist he arguably supports b.d.s. like lana del rey and lord following pink floyd's roger waters but how is it that kanye west support for trump and the so-called blacks it earned capital extra months for justice a so easily wrapped up in multinational capitalist logos added us for west and nike for captain nick so don't ask if your dreams are crazy. crazy enough calling captain again controversial multinational nike they're telling us we're not crazy enough and these company god he says more than britain's formula one tax exile lewis hamilton about hostile environments that perhaps he will win the races at the brazilian grand prix on sunday week because brazil has a new president and more on that later for now i'm joined by inaugural alternative claudia jones memorial speak of a twenty eight hundred joint chief of the u.k.'s leading into been the new side the canary kerry and. thanks for coming on i want to get to the speech in
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a second your site austerity rebranded sell for a new publicity drive tourism a philip hammond hosting post budget briefing today for business leaders why are you so cynical or skeptical about this great end of austerity after all these years and to anyway well because it's been a nice a by every year for the past five years it's always jammed tomorrow it's the john tomorrow budget that we've really watched and really listened to every year almost. a few years and i feel that there is there's a pressure on the government now to essentially pretend this is ok nearly done you know this is all actually necessary and well done the british public for taking a hit so that we could balance the what we all know is an ideological this is not a real thing this is not a tightening of of the belt to see you through
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a tough budgetary period this is the systematic dismantling of the welfare state this is a deliberate policy that the liberal underfunding of public service is in the welfare state in order to effectively collapse tobacco to that advocate the privatization if they service and we don't need this it was never intended to balance the books or help people out of poverty you look at the key thing you know what the key crises at the moment we've got the highs in crisis we've got welfare crisis of corporations crisis which departments are getting cut the very departments that should be leading the way of saying when it's expected to be three minutes you're just as done six point three to six percent cut in schools in real terms twenty thousand police go why do you think it's not reflected in this relates presume jones is a journalism should be we're not hearing that in any of the budget comedy we're hearing an idea about. they stealing corbin's clothes this kind of debate to be
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honest it's just ridiculous i think several years into this we thought well maybe you know they don't understand you know maybe if you know the work we can do is a left wing media is to put forward these ideas to really pick these budgets and to supply that information way back to the base stream and so they could kind of break this cycle but what's really become clear over the last couple of years is that these people are apologists for the system i do think at this point you can no longer say well you know the government promised this but then it didn't deliver so the poor media were just kind of doing it you know. once. every year for most of you. you know. because people are already working two three jobs just to feed their kids they're not going to come home from work i know what i'm going to do i'm going to read a one hundred six page budget. the impact is on me so they were loyal in the media
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to break these things done for the we have seen for the last few years is that convince the public what they're experiencing is real and it's almost institutional gaslighting at this stage where people are saying but i feel poor poorer. skyhigh my wages dropped and i'm not is incredibly disingenuous and i think it's causing extreme distress you know we have people committing suicide we have people dying because of this it's not some abstract academic debate about the impact on people it's real and tangible. advisor a guy standing was on this are talking about the hundred dead. the queen is going to get to two point four million citizens exploited one and some of the schools capital funding for not being able to pay for toilet paper pens or. there's
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a billion extra so elite media has been saying this is a budget for everyone because he's he's giving this billion to soften universal credit but this is a that but that's less than half of what george osborne already taken out of it so it's like someone stealing a tenner from you and then giving you back five pounds they promised some spending and then when you go with the small print it's either not you spending before it's not going to happen for five years there's always a catch or it's actually not even anywhere near what we've already cut from the service of journalists as well as you'd accuse them of amplifying the ideas what did it feel like to be asked to do the claudia jones speech is here presumably you'd say gloria drones would not have covered the budget the way the headlines of everything else i think i think. that noise in the background is clouded spinning in her grave you know the way that this budget has been cut but i was just
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completely honored to put it in speeches which you will rarely five speeches to be likely jones was she was a raw because she was an active issues a feminist she was born in trinidad moved to united states with her family in the one nine hundred twenty s. so she's operating in a time before the civil rights movement before rosa parks before martin luther king he was this is amazing when he went from a laundry in harlem to addressing fourteen thousand people at madison square garden i'm quoting the term triple oppression which was where race gender and class come together all of those prejudices come together to conspire against someone and because that was the life that she lived eventually she was deported from the united states for being for the great crime of being a communist in the forty's or fifty's she would have been jailed four times by that time and then she came to britain because. the british governor general of trinidad
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wouldn't let her back in her country she said she may prove trouble which i think is a great quote but there came here really create legacies here which everyone's heard of the notting hill carnival but almost no one can tell you who founded it like. what she wanted to do with the notting hill carnival we say to britain and say to the world you know we are rich in culture we are rich in arts we are not south which is. created this legacy long after her death every year two million people descend on london to attend this carnival with her. but you were chosen to give the lecture so the guardian journalist. the canary should not be suspecting journalists of showing partisanship us foreign policy when covering central america. these kind of obscure. i mean it
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was awful you should not be able to give the. i think the bottom line is i've been scheduled and i was invited incidentally this is not something i asked for i was invited by the by the national union of journalists but members of the speech accepted because it was an honor i had no idea. you know i didn't care frankly it was about the speech it was about quality james. to find out it's in the guardian building in two weeks before the event partly because i think its rival because. that's their view i mean we're here to talk to the far right very rarely. where the rules are our first ration with the guardian is that there are always complicit in the rise of the far right you know puff pieces by outright fascists meanwhile condemning leftwing people who just want to share more as the chief threat to jewish people in this country is beyond parody has been common to call been created the current. extra pittsburgh are we honestly i'm speechless at this stuff at this
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point because it is just so. beyond the pale of i find it genuinely offensive. especially as someone who has lived a life where i've experienced racism experience homophobia experience classism i know what it is to be prejudiced against them i can smell you from a country mile said to have kind of privileged white columnists you know who live within fifty square miles of each other in london they talk into the story first movement which the left is you know we're black we're brian we're working class. and they're putting us and saying you guys are record chamber you go to the racists you know so why would they be so angry. a black gay working class editor in chief of a progressive news outlet with may purport to agree with her about ninety percent of our positions i mean literally they were daily coming up with new control you've
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confected outrage to try and pressure the end you jay to stop me from doing this speech and try and pressure me into backing down they want to kind of hijack the memory of quote your chains in service of tokenism i suppose they would say yes because there is extremist you gave the alternative gloria jones lecture the inaugural the link to it of course they don't get. cody james i'm they don't get to milk her memory to try and puff up their own egos code should not be a token a networking event she should be a celebrated cultural icon. thank you thank you after the break as major nations look to capitalize on a victory we ask of brazil's new leader could bring a return to nato nation back near liberalism at the point of a gun. to the transport department calls for being
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irresponsible on climate change goes the more coming up going underground. seems wrong wrong just don't call. me. to shape out these days. and engagement because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. i have the honor to once again the interview alister croaky is a former e.u. diplomat and founder and director of conflicts forum and of course we're going to
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discuss the middle east. when lawmakers manufacture get sentenced to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. with the final merry go round be the one percent. we can all middle of the room. welcome back joining me now to go through some of the week's top stories is former
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u.k. home office minister and former u.k. transport minister norman baker norman thanks for coming back on before we get to the budget and all the rest of it happening medical cannabis something that you never got through when you were at the home office this government is finally allowing the ill and the vulnerable to take advantage well thank goodness if you sense there's a case i was very strongly i want to bring this forward as a home office structure minister i was stopped by some reason may be able to resume while she was home secretary shouldn't apologize to me by the way or congratulated me for rafa doing that but that's a function of lib dems in this country to propose ideas which are first ignored then they're rubbished down the road docked by somebody else than the people who adopt and so the thought of it first let's go to the independent and the great budget yes budget twenty eighteen. sixteen million pound pledged. to plant trees is dwarfed by thirty billion pound road spread and all that wrong with trees that's a really good for the environment trees are very good measurement but this other
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what the figure is was five hundred times as much. roads as on his own free will roads people can use for buses or public transit where you were. and a no transport minister under who is the board's they can i was on the philip haven't justin greeting mclaughlin and all three of them committed to reducing carbon emissions and the transport sector is the only parts of the society where emissions from carbon are rising at the moment he's not producing help for buses out of this or coaches or trains this is about more and more roads and the one nine hundred ninety two seminal depart the transport study on road traffic showed that we're going to build a new road or widen existing roads hey you would. you don't build yourself out of a problem and for philip hammond to abandon his climate change commitment but you had to develop a transport and to have more and more cars at the expense of public transport by
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the way and to get more carbon emissions is simply irresponsible you must have had discussions with him about this precise to yes we did we would you're going to school we did and we actually agreement and we're great we came up with a formula which in which was a business case for new transport infrastructure whether it's roads or rail and part of that was a factor in the carbon emissions and the consequence for the environment and that's been swept away by by a one in the headline to satisfy tour about benches there are food banks across the country and the biggest gainers from yesterday's budget are those on the highest incomes so he's responded a bit you had to respond a bit to the reason may telling him it used to reserve a bit you know shouldn't have you had a prime minister telling the chancellor what to do i mean gordon brown wouldn't put up with this for tony blair george also would've had david cameron telling him but treatment he's announced. about austerity here. to go along and follow bucky well maybe maybe because breaks it is on his mind as going the financial times and the great success the government is having over these complex yes ideas yes the irony
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there for those of you with a view was we were the pre-show are in a has ruled over only fourteen of two hundred thirty six e.u. international treaties well this is mean this is calamitous this is this is everything not this isn't the thoughts of the tripe it loudly might spare kroft it's it's about nuclear arrangements this is terrible but also what they're doing is they want to scrap the two hundred thirty six deliberately treaties or does it mean they've been lazy or does it mean they're doing the real bush actually got to they've got to really go see everything will be a choice a conscious decision not to have been really negotiate i don't know quite know they've got to renegotiate these treaties with other countries what's happening in other countries as britain is defenses we will get a better deal or britain so there would agree to renew these teachers in the same terms that the e.u. had did for us we'll have to go see old worse terms it's just another brick to disaster i don't know how many people have died since we started the conversation just now reviewing the papers figures from save the children of people who died in yemen have increased they've got new figures now let's go to the express and the
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story which is he disappeared little well it has. to show the bombshell britain knew of could not plot and begged saudi arabia to abort plans well look on the face of it a specious story hasn't been big the papers backed by a source is that the not named the fact is if this story had appeared in any other paper particularly say the mail all the times of the guardian it would have been followed through by other papers but nobody believes the express pressures a paper full of miracle cures of heat waves of unfreezes and of princess di being murdered now it is perfectly possible the m i six has been listening to what's happening through cheltenham and conditioned to what's happening in other countries they did all the time and i wouldn't rule out the fact that the some some hidden agenda. i don't know about but will we be able to put a new chemical weapons were being used by the saudis in yemen it says here and i six. did know alerted five teligent not of the united states because shogi so
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the decision was taken we did what we could well i'm not saying it was murder i don't know whether the john le carré well it's i don't know whether it's expressed dory is well founded or not i guess we wouldn't know until someone else to some proper research or that some journalist or some proper research it was you don't have to believe all the story to know that it's likely m i six was or was listing to other countries intercept i mean that's what you do all the time just not beyond the bounds of possibility the saudis how to further a job that we don't know about but just leave it near we don't know but i certainly think it's worth following through barred by a reputable paper ok well we know that britain sold two hundred twenty one millions of export licenses to israel for weapons of twenty three let's go to this in the guardian this is this is yet another horrible story about israel got out of the three boys killed in israeli air strikes a palestinian medics you know the amount of firepower and live ammunition the
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israelis use against children and against people who are throwing stones style weapons is simply inhumane and the world should stand up to this role israel says it's under the well this. of course has got countries round who don't who don't recognize it exists and that's wrong as well but the response is completely disproportionate to the threat which is being issued to the country really i mean israel's nuclear power it can stop anything frankly on its borders it does not use live ammunition like this known beggar thank you well from major nation back bombing in gaza to nato nation back torture in south america joining me now via skype from connecticut in the northeast of the u.s. is professor james kevin yarrow he's worked with the survivors of pinochet's u.k. u.s. back chilean government and the refugees from cia back to el salvador. death squads james welcome to going on the ground the statement they had b.b.c. monitoring unit here in britain tweeted well posed a question could both sonora be
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a refreshing break from political correctness it had to take the down what's your perspective on posing a question like that well the question is is offensive and it's actually obscene and it's both offensive and obscene because both represents a break. that has absolutely nothing we freshened of our he represents a free not just from political correctness he represents a break from democratic values from the rule of law from human rights and from or value of human dignity he has ordered torture he has called for the now as a limitation of political opponents he has called for people to hear the t.v. show thousands he said thousands more should have been killed during the dictatorship in brazil and again these are not merely outlandish comments in a fact their comments from someone who lived through that resilient and ship who
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knows what it means and to a problem in brazil that is very much aware of what it mean to propose torture to support torture and to support military dictatorship in summary executions so there's this a break it's a break from normalcy it's a great from decency it's nothing to question about it i want to get on to the torch especially with your perspective as someone who's analyzed torture in previous decades but it was new to the b.b.c. the canadian broadcasting corporation funded by the government said that brazil's new president elect is a right winger who leans towards more open markets this could mean fresh opportunities for canadian companies equally problematic but look at it if we look at the service perspective what you'll see unfortunately our alliances between right of center work stream right and a fair. larry in political groups and big business right wing groups in latin america have so intimidated the work of extractive industries they've selected the
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work of large investments because they've been able to acquire said offerings calway so this is not new this is not acceptable to get in bed with someone who wants to kill torture eliminate rights and undermine democracy we always invite the brazilian ambassador of maybe a new one to london on the show he said he's old enough to remember the dr days of the dictatorship where you've done work on british backed pinochet the government in chile on the el salvador what if he was to have me late those examples you've told to survive is what do they talk to you about the procedures meted out to groups not disposed to the ruling government. like in one survivor's narrates and what sort of a record shows and you know as for your research in your view susan and to anyone
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in brazil and central america. authoritarian regimes in latin america and relatively recent past have implemented measures. very crude death squads institutionalized torture forced this experience what we're talking about is state of near constant fear which anybody can go missing can be seized from his or her home subjected to hours decent weeks of torture. murdered. or alternatively incarcerated with no legitimate basis corrent just conditions and dungeon like conditions for years on it so we know when latin america want to start going in means we know what are not in we need to we need to be tough i'm fine cracked down and don't need opponents. it means eliminate it means be had than it needs torture to be. it means pregnant women until they give birth and then
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murdering women and you think that the way to others all of this is recent life or past this is not hypothetical this is really frightening and terrible tenchi allergies that we have to address and as a response i should say that margaret thatcher the former british prime minister said pinochet was a hero and of course pinochet was let go from britain and from british shores diction do you think the that this time around they would involve nato nation intelligence forces collaborating with what you like out tries is a authoritarian government in the making i hope this is a hope not an expectation i hope that western democratic states would use their leverage to constrain and limit tension abuses by the harder it is government that's right hold unfortunately we have a long history in the u.k. and the us and elsewhere of support for authoritarian regimes and so forth which tragically is driven by big business interests and the financial interests of large
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multinational corporations based in the u.k. and united states so i hope and it's back to. back to my most hopeful sense that british maryse you can always canadian authorities force a number of states will hold the line on human rights and press also not on the government to respect the constitution and its international commitments but that has certainly not always been the case and there is every reason to fear that powerful states will turn a blind eye and we have great reason to fear that the united states will support also not oh i understand that trump has already called to congratulate him. i think trump sees also not only as someone who has been lifted by trump's ascendance sort of part of the global. shereen. right neo nationalist movement so there is some indication that there will be support that both in the united states and in the u.k.
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and also in western europe there are laws and procedures and limits on the ability or rights of users in other countries it's my peers most of the united states and maybe professor james have an ira thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday when we speak to the man who could be president of libya in december until then he went on trial social media will be back on saturday one hundred years to the day of the german workers revolution that paved the way for the end of world war one which killed or wounded more than forty million. xena's says harlan kentucky. overall in this group the employees says the boardroom story fanny's leaning in.
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a coma and he says he would almost no coal mines left. jobs or grow all the coal miners the said that's. live to see these people the survivors of disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's happening it's happened. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see that.
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