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and i'll be speaking to us of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. three. times you're watching going on the ground ahead of tomorrow's vote on britain's budget that could spell the end of to raise amaze government coming up on the show carry on mendoza editors of top independent you can you cite the canary on the coffee ism post budget plus war could double sonar a victory in brazil mean a return to the u.k. u.s. back to torture in the western hemisphere we speak to professor james carville who has spent years working with some ideas of major nations i. mr norman baker on continued u.k. intervention in the world's worst humanitarian crisis in yemen and this week's
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bombing of gaza more coming up on today's show but first forty four years ago today muhammad ali was celebrating his eighth round rumble in the jungle knock out against george foreman in what is now the democratic republic of congo in those days americans arguably did more than take a knee of the game they said things like this about nato nation foreign intervention in the developing world and went to jail for it. that all right in my. mind. i'm going to do. what i will tell you. you want to. do you want me to go from one fight where you want to. while britain's biggest stars have yet to turn out to against to raise a maze hostile environment legacy the u.s. does of course have swapped stars like this. you have upset president donald trump
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you have tops that are murdering people we have cops in s.f. p.d. that are blatantly racist and those issues need to be addressed less outraged ruggedly than i leave it cavanagh like religion is also internationalist he arguably supports b.d.s. like lana del rey and lord following pink floyd's roger waters but how is it that kanye west support for trump and the so-called blacks it and company x. demands for justice a so easily wrapped up in multinational capitalist logos added us for west and nike for captain ik to know if your dreams are crazy. crazy calling cap'n a good controversial multinational nike they're telling us we're not crazy enough and he's company god he says more than britain's formula one tax exile lewis hamilton about hostile environments that perhaps he will win the races at the brazilian grand prix on sunday week because brazil has a new president and more on that later for now i'm joined by inaugural alternative
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claudia jones moral speak of a twenty eight hundred joint chief of the u.k.'s leading into been a new side the canary carry on windows a carry out thanks for coming on i want to get to the speech in a second at your site as austerity rebranded sell for a new publicity drive to raise money for the pam and hosting post budget briefing today for business leaders why are you so cynical or skeptical about this great end of austerity after all these years and to anyway well because it's been nothing by every year for the past five years it's always jam tomorrow it's the jam to morry budget that we've really watched and relisten to. every year. a few years and i feel that there's a pressure on the government now to essentially pretend this is nearly done you know this is all actually necessary and well done the british public for taking a hit so that we could balance the what we all know is an ideological this is not
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real thing this is not a tightening of of the belt. through a tough budgetary period this is the systematic dismantling of the welfare state this is a deliberate policy the deliberate underfunding of public service in the welfare state in order to effectively collapse tobacco to that advocate the privatization of the service and we all knew this it was never intended to balance the books or help people out of poverty you look at the key thing you know what the key crises at the moment we've got the highs in crisis we've got welfare crisis of corporations crisis which departments are getting cut the very departments that should be leading the way almost. two point six three minutes you just of done six point three to six percent cut in schools in real terms twenty thousand police go why do you think it's not reflected in this relates to preserve. journalism should
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be we're not hearing that any of the budget you were hearing an idea about. this feeling corbin's close this kind of debate to be honest it's just ridiculous i think several years into this we thought well maybe you know they don't understand you know maybe if you know the work we can do is a left wing media is to put forward these ideas to really pick these budgets and to supply that information always back to the base stream and so they could kind of break this cycle but what's really become clear over the last couple of years is that these people are apologists for the system i do think at this point you can no longer say well you know the government promised this but then it didn't deliver so the poor media were just kind of doing it you know you. once. every year for most of you. you know. because people are already working two three jobs just to feed their kids they're not going to come home from work i know what i'm going to
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do you know i'm going to read a one hundred six page budget. the impact is on me so they were loyal in the media to break these things that i'm for the we have seen for the last few years is convince the public what they're experiencing is real and it's always institutional gaslighting at this stage where people are saying but i feel poor poorer. skyhigh my wages have dropped and i'm not is incredibly disingenuous and i think it's causing extreme distress you know we have people committing suicide we have people dying because of this it's not some abstract academic debate about the impact on people it's real and tangible. advisor a guy standing was on this or talking about the hundred dead day. the queen is going to get two point four million citizens exploited one and some of the schools
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capital funding for not being able to pay for toilet paper pens or. there's a billion extra so elite media has been saying this is a budget for everyone because he's he's giving this billion to soften universal credit but this is a that but that's less than half of what george osborne already taken out of it so it's like someone stealing a tenner from you and then giving you back five pounds they promise some spending and then when you go with the small print it's either not you spending before it's not going to happen for five years there's always a catch or it's actually not even anywhere near what we've already cut from the service of journalists as well as you'd accuse them of amplifying the ideas what did it feel like to be asked to do the claudia jones speech is here presumably use a quality adjourns would not have covered the budget the way the headlines of every single space i think i think. if you think that noise in the background is crude
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spinning in her grave you know the way this budget has been cut i was just completely honored to put it in speeches which you will rarely fired me speech but to be likely the germans was she was a raw because she was an active issues a feminist she was born in trinidad moved to united states with her family with a nine hundred twenty s. so she's operating in a time before the civil rights movement before rosa parks before might meet the king she was this is amazing woman who went from a laundry in harlem to addressing fourteen thousand people at madison square garden and calling the term triple oppression which was where race gender and class come together all of those prejudices come together to conspire against someone and because that was the life that she lived. eventually she was deported from the united states for being for the great crime of being a communist in the forty's and fifty's she would have been jailed four times by
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that time and then she came to britain because the british governor general of trinidad put her back in her country she said she may prove trouble which i think is a great quote but there i mean she came here and really create legacies here which you know everyone's heard of the notting hill carnival but almost no one can tell you who founded it well i can't quote. what she wanted to do with the notting hill carnival we say to britain and say to the world you know we are rich in culture we are rich in arts we are not south which is and says she's not created this legacy long after her death every year two million people descend on london to attend this carnival and that's her. reverse of what you were chosen to give a lecture from the guardian journalist hadley free when. various people saying the canary should not be suspecting journalists of showing partisanship us
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foreign policy when covering central america this kind of obscure is really i mean it was therefore you should not be able to give the good. i think the bottom line is i've been scheduled and i was invited incidentally this is not something i asked for i was invited by the by the national union of journalists but members of the speech accepted because it was an honor i had no one venue you know i didn't care frankly it was about the speech it was about could it james. later find out is in the guardian building in two weeks before the event this email apparently going is rivalled. well that's their view i mean we're here to talk to the far right. where the rules are our first ration with the guardian is there always complicit this boy in the rise of the far right in a puff pieces by outright fascists meanwhile condemning leftwing people who just want to share more as the chief threat to jewish people in this country is beyond
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parody has been common to call been created the context of pittsburgh are we honestly i'm speechless at this stuff at this point because it is just so you are beyond the pale of i find it genuinely offensive. especially as you know as someone who has lived a life i've experienced racism i experience homophobia experience classism i know what it is to be prejudiced against them i can smell it from a country mile said to have kind of privileged white columnists you know who live within fifty square miles of each other in london they talk into the story first movement which the left is you know we're black brian working class. and then putting us and saying you guys are record chamber you go to the racists you know so why would they be so angry. a black gay working class editor in chief of a progressive if news with may purport to agree with ninety percent of our
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position i mean literally they were daily coming up with new control you've confected outrage to try and pressure the a new jay to stop me from doing this speech trying to pressure me into backing down they want to kind of hijack the memory of quality of chains in service of tokenism i suppose they would say yes because there is extremist you gave the alternative gloria jones lecture the inaugural the link to it of course they don't get. they don't get to milk her memory to try and puff up their own ego. coated should not be a token a networking event she should be a celebrated cultural icon. thank you thank you after the break as nato nations look to capitalize on the balls in our victory we ask of brazil's new leader could bring a return to nato nation back near liberalism at the point of
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a gun the man that used. to the transport department calls for being irresponsible on climate change goes the more coming up going underground. seemed wrong wrong just don't call. me. to shape out just being active. and engaged equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.
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you know world of big part of the new lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back joining me now to go through some of the week's top stories this fall when you get home office minister and former u.k. transport minister norman bacon all in thanks for. back on before we get to the budget and all the rest of it happening medical cannabis something that you never got through when you were at the home of as this government is finally allowing the
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ill in the vulnerable to take advantage well thank goodness easy sense as a case i was very strongly i wanted to bring this forward as a home of a structure minister i was stopped by to reason may have to raise a man shouldn't while she was rejected three shouldn't apologize to me by the way or can actually do before for doing that but then it's a function of lib dems in this country to propose ideas which are first ignored then the rubbished then are adopted by somebody else than the people who adopt them so the thought of it first let's go to the independent and the great budget yes budget twenty eighteen as ham and sixty million pound pledge to plant trees is dwarfed by thirty billion pound road spending bill that wrong with trees that's a really good for the environment trees are very good news i mean but there's other than what the figure is was five hundred times as much. roads as on his own free will roads people can use for buses or public transit where you were. and
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a no transport minister under who is the boss that you know i was on the pull of i haven't just including mclaughlin and all three of them committed to reducing carbon emissions and the transport sector is the only parts of the society where emissions from carbon are rising at the moment he's not producing help for buses out of this or coaches or trains this is about more and more roads and the one nine hundred ninety two seminal depart the transport study on road traffic showed that we're going to build a new road or widen existing roads hey you were more traffic you don't build yourself out of a problem and for philip hammond to abandon his climate change commitment but you had to develop a transport and i have more and more cars at the expense of public transport by the way and to get more carbon emissions is simply irresponsible you must have had discussions with him. about this precise to yes we did i would say we're going to school we did and we should agreement and we're great we came up with a formula which in which was
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a business case for new transport infrastructure whether it's roads or rail and part of that was a factor in the carbon emissions on the consequence for the environment and that's been swept away by by a bundy headline to satisfy talk about benches there are food banks across the country in the biggest gainers for your city's budget are those on the high incomes so he's responded a bit you have to respond a bit to the reason may be telling him that used to reserve a bit you know shouldn't have you had a prime minister tell you the chancellor what to do i mean gordon brown wouldn't put up with this for tony blair george also would have had david cameron telling him but he's announced fuel duty about austerity he has to go along in unfold ok well maybe maybe because breaks it is on his mind that's going to financial times and the great success the government is having over these complex yes ideas yes the irony of that for those of you with a view was we were sort of the pressure our innate how u.k. has ruled over only fourteen of two hundred thirty six e.u. international treaties well this is mean this is calamitous this is this is
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everything not this isn't the thoughts of the tripe it loudly might spare croft it's it's about nuclear arrangements this is terrible but it was they're doing it they want to scrap the two hundred thirty six liberal treaties or did i mean they've been lazy or does it mean everything's really bush actually got to they've got to really go see everything will be a choice a conscious decision not to have been really negotiate i don't know quite know they've got to renegotiate these treaties with other countries what's happening in other countries britain is defenses we will get a better deal or britain so they would agree to renew these teachers in the same terms that the e.u. had did for us well if they go see all worse terms it's just another brick to disaster i don't know how many people have died since we started the conversation just now reviewing the papers figures from save the children of people who died in yemen have increased they've got new figures now let's go to the express and the story which is. disappeared little well it has you know. the bombshell britain knew of could not plots and to abort plans well look on the face of it specious story
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hasn't been big the papers backed by a source is that the not named the fact is if this story had appeared in any other paper particularly say the mail of the times of the guardian it would have been followed through by the papers but nobody believed the express pressures a paper full of miracle cures of heat waves of unfreezes and of princess di being murdered now it is perfectly possible the m i six has been listening to what's happening through. condition to what's happening in other countries they did all the time and i wouldn't rule out the fact that the some some hidden agenda we don't know about but will we be able to put a new chemical weapons were being used by the saudis in yemen it says here and i six. did no alert it's five teligent out of the united states that could show he so the decision was taken we did what we could well i'm not saying it was murder i don't know whether the join the kerry well it's i don't know whether he's expressed
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or is well founded or not i guess we wouldn't know until someone else to some proper research or that some journalist or some proper research it was leaked to you don't have to believe all the story to know that it's likely m i six was or was listing to other countries intercept i mean that's what you do all the time just not beyond the bounds of possibility the saudis how to further a job that we don't know about but just leave it near we don't know but i certainly think it's worth following through barred by a reputable paper ok well we know that britain sold two hundred twenty one millions of x. would licenses to israel for weapons a twenty to go to this in the guardian this is this is yet another horrible story about israel got out of the three boys killed in israeli air strikes a palestinian medics you know that the amount of firepower and live ammunition the israelis use against children and against people who are throwing stones. ans style weapons is simply inhumane on the world to stand up to this role of mourner israel
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says it's under the road well this is of course has got countries around who don't who don't recognize it exists and that's wrong as well but the response is completely disproportionate to the threat which is being issued to the country really i mean israel's nuclear power it can stop anything frankly on its borders it does not use live ammunition like this known mega thank you well from major nation back bombing in gaza to nato nation back torture in south america joining me now via skype from connecticut in the northeast of the us is professor james kevin yarrow he's worked with the survivors of pinochet's u.k. u.s. back chilean government and the refugees from cia back to el salvadorian death squads james welcome to going underground the state mandated b.b.c. monitoring unit here it in britain tweeted or posed a question could both be a refreshing break from political correctness it had to take that down what's your perspective on posing a question like that well the question is is a chance of. actually seeing any of the friends that have seen
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also model represents a great. there's absolutely nothing we freshened of our he represents a free not just from political correctness he represents a break from democratic values from the rule of law from human rights and from or value of human dignity he has ordered torture he has called for the now as a limitation of political opponents he has called for people to make the to show thousands he said thousands more should have been killed during the dictatorship in brazil and again these are not merely outlandish comments in a fact their comments from someone who lived through that resilient and ship who knows what it means and to a problem in brazil that is very much aware of what do you mean to propose torture to support porter and support military dictatorship in summary executions so
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there's this a break it's a break from normalcy it's a great from decency it's nothing to question about it i want to get on to the torch especially with your perspective as someone who's analyzed torture in previous decades but it was new to the b.b.c. the canadian broadcasting corporation funded by the government said that brazil's new president elect has a right winger who leans towards more open markets this could mean fresh opportunities for canadian companies equally problematic but look at it if we look at the service perspective what you'll see unfortunately our alliances between the right of center work stream right and our fair cherry and political groups and big business right wing groups in latin america have so intimidated the work of extractive industries they've selected the work of large investments because they've been able to acquire the said offerings tally so this is not new this is not acceptable to get in bed with someone who wants to kill torture eliminate
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rights and undermine democracy we always invite the brazilian i'm best of maybe a new one to london on the show he said he's old enough to remember the dr days of the dictatorship. you don't work on british backed pinochet that government in chile on el salvador if he was to emulate those examples you've talked to survive is what do they talk to you about the procedures meted out to groups not disposed to the ruling government. when survivors narrates the work circle record shows in researching refuses to larry in brazil and central america. a storage area regimes in latin america relatively recent past implemented measures. very crude that's why it's
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institutionalized torture of course this experience what we're talking about this state of near constant fear which anybody can go missing can be seized from his or her home subjected to our worst season weeks of torture. murdered. or alternatively incarcerated with no legitimate basis in the qur'an this conditions and dungeon like conditions for years on it so we know when latin america want to start bringing means we know what are not and we to need to be tough on pine cracked down and only need opponents needs that means eliminate them it means behead them it needs torture to be free it means pregnant women until they give birth and then murdering the women and you think that the view each other's all of this is recent life or past this is not hypothetical this is really frightening and terrible tension allergies that we have to address and that's
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response i just say that margaret thatcher the former british prime minister said pinochet was a hero and of course pinochet was let go from britain and from british shores diction do you think that this time around they would involve nato nation intelligence forces collaborating with what you like out tries is a authoritarian government in the making i hope this is a hope not an expectation i hope that western democratic states would use their leverage to constrain and limit tension abuses by postmodernism for that's right hope unfortunately we have a long history in the u.k. and the us and elsewhere of support for authoritarian regimes and so forth which tragically is driven by big business interests and the financial interests of large multinational corporations based in the u.k. in the united states so i hope and it's back to. back to my most hopeful cents. that british maurice you can far he's canadian authorities force
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a number of states will hold the line on human rights and press also not on the government to respect the constitution and its international commitments but that has certainly not always been the case and there's every reason to fear that powerful states will turn a blind eye we have great reason to fear that the united states will support also not oh i understand that trump has already called to congratulate him. i think trump sees also not only as someone who has been listed by trump's ascendance sort of part of the global. neo nationalist movement so there is some indication that there will be support that both in the united states and in the u.k. and also in western europe there are laws and procedures and limits on the ability or rights of users in other countries it's my peers most of the united states and maybe u.k. professor james have an era thank you and that's it for the show will be back on
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saturday when we speak to the man who could be president of libya in december until then he went on to have social media will be back on saturday one hundred years to the day of the german workers revolution that paved the way for the end of world war one which killed or wounded more than forty million. i have the honor to once again the interview alister croaky as a former e.u. diplomat and founder and director of complex forum and of course we're going to discuss it in weeks. national survival stacey let's learn. let's say i'm not so i can hear on greece some banks have to fight. thank you for.
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doing the story that's truly. slavery. i. thought i thought i. thought i. was i think. i. thought. my eyes i. speak a foreign secretary. but admits no position to negotiate commercial interests. or anything on
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a trade deal with you if you reach for human rights.

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