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about twenty nine minutes. or so. relationship banks butts recommend trouble couples to keep talking to each other this advice would also apply to president putin and president trump on the eve of their second meeting. russia relationship out of crisis.
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times you're watching going on the ground ahead of tomorrow's vote on britain's budget that could spell the end of to raise a maze government coming up on the show carry on mendoza editors of top independent you can you cite the canary on the coffee ism post budget class war could double sonora victory in brazil mean a return of the u.k. u.s. back to torture in the western hemisphere we speak to professor james caballero who has spent years working with some of the major nations. plus former u.k. home office minister norman baker on continued u.k. intervention in the world's worst humanitarian crisis in yemen and this week's bombing of gaza. coming up in today's show but first forty four years ago today mohammad ali was celebrating his eighth round rumble in the jungle knock out against george foreman in what is now the democratic republic of congo in those days americans arguably did more than take a knee of the game they said things like this about nato nation foreign
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intervention in the developing world and went to jail for it not. that all right i'm. not. going to do. your mom. your mom. you want to. you want me to go from want to buy what you want to. while britain's biggest stars have yet to turn out against to raise a maze hostile environment legacy the u.s. does of course have swapped stars like this who have upset president donald trump have cops that are murdering people we have cops in s.f. p.d. that are blatantly racist and those issues need to be addressed less outraged ruggedly than ali but cavanagh like religion is also internationalist he arguably supports b.d.s. like lana del rey and lord following pink floyd's roger waters but how is it that
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kanye west support for trump and the so-called blacks it out in the capital of a justice a so easily wrapped up in multinational capitalist logos added us for west and nike for captain ik to know if your dreams are crazy. crazy. calling cap'n a good controversial multinational nike they're telling us we're not crazy enough and these company god he says more than britain's formula one tax exile lewis hamilton about hostile environments that perhaps he will win the races at the brazilian grand prix on sunday week because brazil has a new president and more on that later for now i'm joined by inaugural alternative claudia jones memorial speak of a twenty eight hundred joint chiefs of the u.k.'s leading into been a new side the canary carry on windows a carry on thanks for coming on i want to get to the speech in a second at your site as austerity rebranded sell for a new publicity drive tourism a philip hammond hosting post budget briefing today for business leaders why are
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you so cynical or skeptical about this great end of austerity after all these years and to anyway well because it's been nothing sed by every year for the past five years it's always jam tomorrow it's the jam tomorrow a budget that we've really watched and relisten to. every year. a few years and i feel that there's a pressure on the government now to essentially pretend this is nearly done you know this is all actually necessary and well done the british public for taking a hit so that we could balance the what we all know is an ideological this is not real thing this is not a tightening of of the belt to see you through a tough budgetary period this is the systematic dismantling of the welfare state this is a deliberate policy the deliberate underfunding of public service and the welfare state in order to effectively collapse tobacco to that advocate the privatization
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of the service and we all knew this it was never intended to balance the books or help people out of poverty you look at the key thing you know what the key crises at the moment we've got the highs in crisis we've got welfare crisis of corporations crisis which departments are getting cut the very departments that should be leading the way almost. two point six three ministry of justice and six point three to six percent cut in schools in real terms twenty thousand police going why do you think it's not reflected this relates presumably to claudia jones as a journalism should be we're not hearing that in any of the budget we're hearing an idea about. they stealing corbin's clothes this kind of debate to be honest it's just beyond ridiculous i think several years into this we thought well maybe you know they don't understand you know maybe if you know the work we can do is
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a left wing media is to put forward is to really pick these budgets and to supply that information always back to the base stream and so they could kind of break this cycle but what's really become clear over the last couple of years is that these people are apologists for the system i do think at this point you can no longer say well you know the government promised this but then it didn't deliver so the poor media were just kind of doing it you know you were hoodwinked once ok every year for most of you. you know. because people are already working two three jobs just to feed their kids they're not going to come home from work i know what i'm going to do i'm going to read a one hundred six page budget. the impact is on me so they were loyal in the media to break these things done for the we have seen for the last few years is convince the public what they're experiencing is real and it's almost institutional
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gaslighting at this stage where people are saying but i feel poor poor margaret skyhigh my wages have dropped and i'm not is incredibly disingenuous and i think it's causing extreme distress you know we have people committing suicide we have people dying because of this it's not some abstract academic debate about the impact of austerity on people it's real and tangible. advisor a guy standing was on this are talking about the hundred day. while the queen is going to get two point four million citizens exploited one and some of the schools capital funding for not being able to pay for toilet paper pens or. there's a billion extra so elite media has been saying this is a budget for everyone because he's he's giving this billion to soften universal credit but this is a that but that's less than half of what george osborne already taken out of it so
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it's like someone stealing a tenner from you and then giving you back five pounds they promise some spending and then when you go with the small print it's either not you spending before it's not going to happen for five years there's always a catch or it's actually not even anywhere near what we've already cut from the service of journalists as well as you'd accuse them of amplifying the ideas what did it feel like to be asked to do the claudia jones speech is here presumably you'd say gloria drones would not have covered the budget the way the headlines of everything yeah i think i think. if you think that noise in the background is quoted to you spinning in her grave you know the way this budget has been cut i was just completely honored to put it in speeches which you will rarely five me speeches to be likely the germans was she was a raw because she was an active issues a feminist she was born in trinidad moved to united states with her family in the
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one nine hundred twenty s. so she's operating in a time before the civil rights movement before rosa parks before martin luther king and she was this is amazing woman who went from a loon free in harlem to addressing fourteen thousand people at madison square garden and she calling the term triple oppression which was where race gender and class all come together all of those prejudices come together to conspire against someone and that was the life that she lived eventually she was deported from the united states for being for the great crime of being a communist in the forty's and fifty's she would have been jailed four times by that time and then she came to britain because. the british governor general of trinidad put her back in her tree she said she may prove trouble which i think is a great quote but there came here really create legacies here which everyone's heard of the notting hill carnival but almost no one can tell you who
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founded it like. she wanted to do with the notting hill carnival we say to britain and say to the world you know we are rich in culture we are rich in arts we are not south which is. created this legacy long after her death every year two million people descend on london to attend this carnival with her. but you were chosen to give a lecture the guardian journalist had. various people saying the canary should not be suspecting journalists of showing partisanship for us foreign policy when covering central america. these kind of obscure. i mean it was as well you should not be able to give the go. i think the bottom line is i'd been scheduled to and i was invited incidentally this is not something i asked for i was invited by the by the national union of journalists but members of the speech accepted because
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it was an honor i had no one venue you know i didn't care frankly about the speech was about quality james. in the guardian building in two weeks before the event partly because i think its rival because. that's their view i mean we're here to talk. very rarely. where the rules are our first ration with the guardian is they're always complicit in the rise of the far right you know puff pieces by you know outright fascists meanwhile condemning leftwing people who just want to share more as the chief threat to jewish people in this country is beyond poverty has been common to call been created the current. extra pittsburgh are we honestly i'm speechless at this stuff at this point because it is just so. beyond the pale of i find it genuinely offensive. especially as someone who has lived
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a life where i've experienced racism experience homophobia experience classism i know what it is to be prejudiced against them i can see you from a country mile said to have kind of privileged white colonists you know who live within fifty square miles of each other in london they talk into the story first movement which the left is you know we're black we're bryan we're working class. i'm very opening us and saying you guys are record chamber you go to the racists you know so why would they be so angry at a black gay working class editor in chief of a progressive news outlet with may purport to agree with her about ninety percent of our positions i mean literally they were daily coming up with new control you've confected outrage to try and pressure the a new jay to stop me from doing this speech and trying to pressure me into backing down they want to kind of hijack the memory of quality chains in service of
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tokenism i suppose they would say yes because there is extremist you gave the alternative gloria jones lecture the inaugural the link to it of course they don't get. they don't get to milk her memory to try and puff up. couldn't change should not be a token and networking at that she should be a celebrated cultural icon. thank you thank you for the bric. nations look to capitalize on the bull sonora victory we ask of brazil's new leader could bring a return to nation back near liberalism at the point of a gun. into the transport department calls for being irresponsible on climate change both the more coming up with what you have going underground.
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be global economy's been dead since two thousand and eight and through the transfusion of a lot of money has been animated and kept alive and look like something was going on there but now those transfusions of cash are ending because interest rates are going to start ticking up so now that rotten stinking corpse of the global economy is going to start smelling really bad people are going to start bailing out of stocks technology stocks housing stock. semiconductor stocks right now just like sell sell sell sell sell sell sell and then of course you could have market down twenty thirty forty fifty sixty percent. thank you but i don't think.
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that you come. welcome back joining me now to go through some of the week's top stories is former u.k. home office minister and former u.k. transport minister norman baker norman thanks for coming back on before we get to the budget and all the rest of it happening medical cannabis something that you never got through when you were at the home of as this government is finally allowing the ill and the vulnerable to take advantage well thank goodness easy sense as a case i was very strongly i want to bring this forward as a home of a structure minister i was stopped by to reason may have to raise a man shouldn't what she would have secretary shouldn't apologize to me by the way or can actually do before or after doing that but then it's a function of lib dems in this country to propose ideas which are first ignored then the rubbished then are adopted by somebody else than the people who adopt and so the thought of it first let's go to the independent and the great budget yes
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budget twenty eighteen as ham and sixty million pound pledge to plant trees is dwarfed by thirty billion pound road spending bill that wrong with trees that's a really good for the environment trees are very good news i mean but there's other than what the figure is which are five hundred times as much. as on his own free will roads people can use for buses or public transit where you were. and eight transport minister under who is the boss they can i was on the philip haven't just including mclaughlin and all three of them committed to reducing carbon emissions and the transport sector is the only parts of the society where emissions from carbon are rising at the moment he's not producing help for buses out of this or coaches or trains this is about more and more roads and the one nine hundred ninety two seminal the part the transport study on road traffic showed that we're
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going to build a new road or widen existing roads hey you want more traffic you don't build yourself out of a problem and for philip hammond to abandon his climate change commitment which he had. at the top of transport and to have more and more cars at the expense of public transport by the way and to get more carbon emissions is simply irresponsible he must have had discussions with him about this precise to yes we did i would you're going to school we did and we should agreement and we're great we came up with a formula which in which was a business case for new transport infrastructure whether it's roads or rail and part of that was a factor in the carbon emissions on the consequence for the environment and that's been swept away by by a button the headline to satisfy talk about benches there are food banks across the country and the biggest gainers from yesterday's budget are those on the highest incomes so he's responded a bit you have to respond a bit to the reason may telling him it used to reserve a bit you know shouldn't have you had a prime minister tell you the chancellor what to do i mean gordon brown wouldn't
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put up with this for tony blair george also would've had david cameron telling him but he's announced. about austerity he has to go along in unfold ok well maybe maybe because breaks it is on his mind it's going to financial times and the great success the government is having over these complex yes ideas yes the irony of that for those of you with a view was we were sort of the pre-show are in a has ruled over only fourteen of two hundred thirty six e.u. international treaties well this is mean this is calamitous this is this is everything not this is not thoughts of loudly in my spare croft it's it's about nuclear arrangements this is terrible but i wasn't doing it they want to scrap the two hundred thirty six little treaties or delay they've been lazy or does it mean they were going to really push actually got to you got to really go see everything will be a choice a conscious decision not to have been written negotiate i don't know quite know they've got to renegotiate these treaties with other countries what's happening in other countries britain is defenses we will get a better deal or britain so they would agree to renew these teachers in the same
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terms that the e.u. had did for us we'll have to go see old worse terms it's just another brick to disaster i don't know how many people have died since we started the conversation just now reviewing. the paper's figures from save the children of people who died in yemen have increased they've got new figures now let's go to the express and the story which seems to disappeared little well it has. to show the bombshell britain knew of could not plot and bait saudi arabia to abort plans well look on the face of it a specious story hasn't been big by other papers backed by a source is that the not named the fact is if this story had appeared in any other paper particularly say the mail of the times of the guardian it would have been followed through by other papers but nobody believes the express pressures a paper full of miracle cures of heat waves of unfreezes and of princess di being murdered now it is perfectly possible the m i six has been listening to what's
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happening through cheltenham and conditioned to what's happening in other countries they did all the time and i wouldn't rule out the fact that the some some hidden agenda we don't know about but will we be able to put a new chemical weapons were being used by the saudis in yemen it says here and i six. did know unless it's five teligent out of the united states that could show he so the decision was taken we did what we could well i'm not saying it was murder i don't know whether the john le carré well it's i don't know whether he's expressed or is well founded or not i guess we wouldn't know until someone else to some proper research or that some journalist or some proper research it was leaked to you don't have to believe all the story to know that it's likely m i six was or was listing to other countries intercept i mean that's what you do all the time just not beyond the bounds of possibility that the saudis had a further agenda we don't know about but just leave it near we don't know but i certainly think it's worth following through barred by a reputable paper ok well we know that britain sold two hundred twenty one millions
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of export licenses to israel for weapons of twenty three and as good as this in the guardian this is this is yet another horrible story about israel got out of the three boys killed in israeli airstrikes. palestinian medics you know that the amount of firepower and live ammunition the israelis use against children and against people who are throwing stones style weapons is simply inhumane on the world to stand up to this role israel says it's under the well this is of course has got countries around who don't who don't recognize it exists and that's wrong as well but the response is completely disproportionate to the threat which is being issued to the country really i mean israel's nuclear power it can stop anything frankly on its borders it does not use live ammunition like this known mega thank you well from the donation bag bombing in gaza to nato nation back torture in south america joining me now via skype from connecticut in the northeast
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of the u.s. is professor james kevin yarrow he's worked with the survivors of pinochet's u.k. u.s. back chilean government and the refugees from cia back to el salvadorian death squads james welcome to going underground the state mandated b.b.c. monitoring unit here in britain tweeted or posed a question could both sonora be a refreshing break from political correctness it had to take that down what's your perspective on posing a question like that well the question is is offensive and it's actually obscene and it's both offensive and of seen because also represents a break. that has absolutely nothing we freshened about it he represents a free not just from clinical practice he represents a break from democratic values from the rule of law from human rights and from or value of human dignity he has ordered torture he has called for the now as a limitation of political opponents he has called for people to be to show
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thousands thousands more should have been killed during the dictatorship in brazil and again these are not merely outlandish comments. fact there are comments from someone who lived through that resilient and ship who knows what it means and to a problem in brazil that is very much aware of what did you mean to propose torture to support torture and to support military dictatorship and summary executions so there's this a break it's a break from normalcy it's a great from decency it's nothing to question about it i want to get on to the torch especially with your perspective as someone who's analyzed torture in previous decades but it was new to the b.b.c. the canadian broadcasting corporation funded by the government said that brazil's new president elect is a right winger who leans towards more open markets this could mean fresh opportunities for canadian companies are equally problematic but look at if we look at your service perspective what you'll see unfortunately our alliances between
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right of center work stream right and if there are cherry in political groups and big business right wing groups in latin america have so intimidated the work of extractive industries so it is the work of origin that's nuts because they've been able to acquire said often talent so this is not new this is not acceptable to get in bed with someone who wants to kill torture eliminate rights and undermine democracy we always invite the brazilian i'm best of maybe a new one to london on the show he said he's old enough to remember the dr days of the dictatorship where you've done work on the british backed pinochet the government in chile on the el salvador what if he was to emulate those examples you've talked to survive as what do they talk to you about the procedures
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meted out to groups not disposed to the ruling government. when survivors narrates and working. circle record shows and you know it's for new research and refuses and to anyone in brazil and central america. authoritarian regimes in latin america the relatively recent past have implemented measures. very crude smardz institutionalized torture forced this experience what we're talking about the state of near constant fear which anybody can go missing can be seized from his or her home subjected to hours decent weeks of torture. murdered. or alternatively incarcerated with no legitimate basis in the qur'an this conditions and dungeon like conditions for years on it so we know when latin america want to start bringing means we know what
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are not in what we do need to be tough i'm fine cracked down and don't need opponents needs it means eliminate them it means behead them it needs torture be. it means pregnant women until they give birth and then murdering women and you think that the way to others all of this is recent life or past it's not hypothetical this is really frightening terrible tension allergies that we have to address as a response i should say that margaret thatcher the former british prime minister said pinochet was a hero and of course pinochet was let go from britain and from british shores diction do you think the that this time around they would involve nato nation intelligence forces collaborating with what you like out tries is a authoritarian government in the making i hope this is a hope not an expectation i hope that western democratic states would use their leverage to constrain and limit intentional abuses by post or how
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different is government that's right hope unfortunately we have a long history in the u.k. and the us and elsewhere of support for terror. regimes and so forth which tragically is driven by big business interests and the financial interests of large multinational corporations based in the u.k. the united states so i hope and it's back to. back to my most hopeful sense that british maryse you can parties canadian authorities force a number of states will hold the line on human rights and press also not to and the government to respect the constitution and its international commitments but that has certainly not always been the case and there's every reason to fear that powerful states will turn a blind eye and we have great reason to fear that the united states will support also not oh i understand that trump has already called to congratulate him. i think trump sees also not only as someone who has been listed by trump's ascendance
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sort of part of the global. neo nationalist movement so there is some indication that there will be support that both in the united states and in the u.k. and also in western europe there are laws and procedures and limits on the ability to support rights of users in other countries it's my peers most of the united states and maybe u.k. professor james coming out thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday when we speak to the man who could be president of libya in december until then he went on to have social media will be back on saturday one hundred years to the day of the german workers revolution that paved the way for the end of world war one which killed or wounded more than forty million. dollars and to. put themselves up i want. to get
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a little richer. so when you want to express. yourself i want to. actually going to be for us to see what the before three of the ten people get. interested in the why. should. the national security adviser john bolton says that the u.s. does not want to harm allies that trade with iran and a sign that washington could be willing to ease sanctions. the foreign secretary is grilled by parliament over weapons.

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