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i mentioned a tendency we're going underground on the day of the million mom march as demonstrators around the world john guy fawkes mosques to protest international capitalism coming up in the show why in the past few days as the u.k. foreign office been hosting the leader of an alleged isis the group the mother superior from the homes tells us who the real enemy is in syria and the british backed war in yemen we investigate the true death toll of the world's worst humanitarian crisis plus after events to mark u.k. back to fascism in chile attended by jeremy corbyn can british workers learn from
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a new documentary on chile about how to oppose arms exports to brutal conflicts coming up in the show but first while british and nato nation proletariat celebrate the normal mr day on guy fawkes night a bonfire of nato nation dominance is arguably being prepared for tomorrow's meetings in shanghai xi jinping and russian prime minister dmitry medvedev meet there following september's meetings between putin and she while the u.k. was still debating sanctions on months ago the key messages for a lot of more potent and cheating paying in fly out of a war that there was great trust between beijing and moscow when it comes to politics defense and security business ties will keep growing stronger and stronger and most important see beijing and moscow are looking to get off the dollar hole at least when it comes to bilateral trade amid mounting pressure from washington but this is not. level sino russian meeting in shanghai tomorrow bank of england
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governor mark carney will be with chinese premier league pitching in beijing that's carney who last month sounded like he was coming round to norms of debate in red and tiananmen square as is there a correlation between between management firms that think about structural issues like climate like the impact of artificial intelligence like demographics like emergence of china is there a correlation between that and. also there will be i.m.f. empty christine legarde convicted of negligence in a paris court and here arguably taking china's side on the trumped trade war it's going to have current tensions could reduce. man percent over the next two years than the bretton woods good call up to the i.m.f. so bad cop jim yong kim of the world bank will also be in beijing here he is arguably sounding like a member of the chinese communist party they lifted five hundred million people out
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of poverty over the last thirty years unprecedented in world history and they know that huge portion of that was just because of their growth but now not only are they focusing on the quality of growth you know switching their strategy from you know one that was so focused on investment and exports they're also really thinking about how they can more effectively invest in their people and we know that that's a critical aspect. of their own growth strategy also meeting china's premier in beijing is o.e.c.d. secretary-general angle gourrier arguably almost quoting from column marks in his analysis of western economic crisis austerity we left a lot of people outside of this progress outside of the opportunities and this is something that we now have to focus on because it is giving results which are extremely extremely well unpredictable many times negative having to do with the quality of the governance so it is. becoming not only an economic or financial
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problem it's clearly is social problem and a political problem in the new quality of governance and governments of course while major nation governments grapple with self-inflicted political instability they have infamously been involved in political instability in the developing world except this week u.k. state mandated media has been interviewing the u.k. funded white helmets claiming that russia not the u.k. has been responsible for killing in syria foreign office minister alistair but even posed with the leader of the white helmets in westminster joining me now via skype from paris france is a mother superior from a monastery in homes agnes mariam to the mother agnes thanks so much for being on the show what do you make of the british government proudly showing their support for the white helmets when we expect. to go to learn to work day i think he wanted he meant that in. these and this should be the next. leg to be that he cannot.
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be with because the white helmets when you say ambiguous the white house would say they have helped that they've helped save one hundred fifteen thousand syrians maybe some in your community in homs province you know what you have seen now you know you were being affected and thirty. years from where. the snake. eyes. means it through a pen that did not for you. you being in a difficult time but. time makes you just people who weren't really sure what. they were left we tried to get right outside of the leader of the white helmets on the show because he's in london he's been on before but we couldn't seem to get him this time he did say though this week here. in london that it is russia that is
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responsible for the killing of civilians so for instance in the seed you just spoke of russia is doing the killing when larry cannot see it because any time that the next the he can feel the touch of the ground is that of course that is. maybe thirty coffee this is the lot of both in any country and if you have these. majesty of the people they forced an intervention and. he eventually did that eventually to stop the war and specially the two. and two thirds of these. but britain is supported the overthrow of president. and you would agree that russia has prevented british support and british help. thrown out and went into damascus. that.
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you meant that the input is. not to support c. ninety five and then i think that is politically financially in tennis sometimes but for the life of civilian and weapons. he's thirty is it accordingly it was not more kind of the war it was and then showing that of course a lot of christian communities feel threatened by the assad government i am not see it yet but they even see the. nineteen ninety four. and. of course the. conquer the opposition and the very tense is. that i. read. see. it
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kind of imagine what he. most people in the egypt in the government of. the united nations because this is go up at length. in britain had says it had to bomb syria because the government was using chemical weapons if you want to punish the government if you will do not. see the notice unless we destroy evil incarnate the old you only know one country to be spit on and they released many because of the use of most of the sort of these tools does not go and against the national laws and you money that is. why do you think russia and yourself have been criticized in british corporate media elite media as being part of a misinformation campaign i can say that only look for new media have been very fed
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with me. on leave from time to time some do see then voice so it would be so i accept and. agree. there were a b. b. c. and other things being too if you see me and also letting me go you see is fair from my point now news information is not part i am giving in. and before god before then i am saying what they see and what they have been saying has been a third of it being you know by everybody i think there is a kind of the there's. the fifth or ship of sorts the third shift for our mind. continues to support the rebels do you see now the violence is lessening in syria and the war is essentially over. we are very happy if that. big.
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part of the of this city and thirty two of you has seen and read this for our eyes and the ground you better look for that because everybody is much much more. and he sees you to all. very. very important and you know he was fully into the venture on. to the syrian government like russia and i believe it's we have to acknowledge it and everybody occlusive even the opposition and did you explain this on your tour in the united states recently and what were the political class is saying when they heard your perspective on syria we had to face everywhere the same kind of so-called nickel position but not many we have been to see the.
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lead their lives and even a very distinct and in the media here in britain we didn't hear so many christian voices from syria we heard from rebels on syria why why do you think we didn't hear so much from christians when you know the kurds. are the fabric. and they want to hear what they want so because then we think then that they will. be shown and. feel. the nightmare. that any of the. western countries have supported. and the other sponsor of happening they would like a kind of color. state they speak about.
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well we would like to see the sygate people. who were pretty neat. in that kind of good tool and just finally as a palestinian i have to ask you what your thoughts about events in palestine as the great return much britain still selling weapons to the israeli government. how do you characterize events at the moment in palestine writing or seems the creation of . yesterday and he. what he said happening. human rights. they say. look. if they were going to
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these weapons now it's for the first we invite the israeli ambassador to london on even get back doesn't drive this progress rather i guess that after the break the global force is covering up the truth scale of the u.k. back to the war in yemen and how scottish rolls royce work has defied the cia backed coup by chilean general pinochet told us about the coming of about doing going underground. there's no break here in rwanda why says a terrorist. bad memories. twenty four years ago this country saw. the one. after the genocide. in rwanda
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a man. to fix the broken. welcome back to yemen now last week u.k. foreign secretary jeremy hunt seemed to endorse u.s. calls for a cessation of hostilities in the war in yemen arguably spurred on by the killing of saudi journalists but much less attention has previously been paid to u.k. u.s. involvement in the war that the british government now appears to want to end a yugoslav style humanitarian corridor with a new study by the armed conflict location an event data project may give more food for thought up the foreign office revealing that the death toll in this u.k.
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war may be over five times widely accepted figures i'm not joined by andrea koppel only the study's author thanks so much for coming on the figure normally given for this u.k. back toward the end when is ten thousand dead what have you found. to your work to conclude that. many up to fifty six thousand people killed as a direct result of armed conflict these kind of outside older people that have died as a result of malnutrition disease and other it leaves it out yet so this is not fifty six thousand and you're not counting all the people who die i mean save the children iraq figure of one hundred fifty. children will die today because of the you're back backed war forty million at risk you're saying fifty six thousand because of conflict presuming this can't be to do with aerial bombardment because the british government says that the area for training the pilots the war planes the u.k. is obviously training saudi pilots in north wales there's no british. killing in
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those figures there's no. british soldier of course on the ground or british planes brittany's support in the saudi led coalition in refueling and training as you mention. the number of course includes both combatants and noncombatants. but there are easily least we recorded for instance at least six thousands of people civilians that have been killed seventy five percent with our tribute them to the to the saudi led coalition the ten thousand figures that the u.n. have been using since twenty sixteen seventeen hasn't been updated since so that's the major problem and the problem is that the media have continued to use that figure as he was actually the only immutable figure of casualties in yemen. they figure actually in the u.n. never known at that since the very beginning was already an underestimate they said they're actually there ten thousand to ten thousand people there were reported to
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be killed where recorded using figures provided by medical centers of course many people do not make it to a medical center do not make it to the to the clinic run by either the red cross or the government and so those people will actually end up in the in the in the top of can't it's very likely that our our figure as well the fifty six you mentioned might be an underestimate and of the scale of the people killed in yemen what we do is relying on secondary sources so media international news agencies national media and other local outlets are available online how do you know whether the. american . news agencies or british we triangulate has much as possible the information of these provided in all these media of course there are areas in yemen where the reason kind of one sided. reporting or. backlit we
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don't get funding you don't get funded by saudi arabia or the you know we get funded from a number of different partners including. the government of the netherlands government of the state department as well as some european union countries the us state department and it's notable that the head of the pentagon appears to be very concerned by the mounting casualties and death toll in yemen almost pushing pushing britain into it arguably you don't delineate by manufacture of war plane or bomb because those are loaning figures you're giving for air strikes. i mean you don't know whether there are any british manufactured bombs that have killed those civilians or whether any british made and manufactured warplanes have been used in killing the civilians we don't carry out that kind of that level of investigations
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de vries however extensive reporting that u.s. made bombs u.k. made bombs even italian made bombs have been used in yemen in a piece where there was an indiscriminate killing of civilians including of course as we know. children or are we men the high court in london said that our robust arms export regime here is is brilliant. britain must continue and must be able to continue exporting killing machines to the saudis which are being used it's very difficult this is something of course we can corroborate because we don't have resources and. and the ability to verify what kind of weaponry has been used for all these bombings because now we have really been documented to read apparently leaked to a british newspaper saying that the saudis have done sort of publish a deal for publicist for aid money and saudi arabia the u.a.e.
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supply. of the total humanitarian aid budget for your minister britain blows aid and in return i don't know maybe it will be the casualty figures but certainly their actions in yemen it's up to protest strategy and both books saudi arabia and the u.a.e. as well they've been very willing actually to provide humanitarian assistance at the same time they are conducting they are leading these air campaign that has killed also thousands of civilians in yemen. the u.a.e. in one of the most recent investigation by buzz feed as well was said to be behind assassinations extrajudicial killings of some islamist leaders and we will be. on the show big brother in this religious belief said that cessation of violence. would be pointless without going to political solution maybe the government moves
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like this and general matters at the pentagon is that you know we've got to really think about a ceasefire what do you think of the fact that we've been covering this war previous on this year it was the devil showed you that he was through one person's death rather than the six those new came up with seems to have moved the narrative on further he looks irrational i mean the death of one single person compared to the scale and the numbers of you know many people have died over the course of the past three years doesn't doesn't make sense. of course that has increased the pressure on all western governments. to accept pressure. on the saudi government particularly and on the u.a.e. certain extent to stop the air campaign stopping the air campaign probably will not end the war because the war started as a local war in yemen. but it will definitely help resuming the peace
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talks. bring the two parties or even more than two parties because there's plenty of actress in there right now fighting to talk negotiate a cease fire which is the most important thing and provide humanitarian aid and relief to the people across all of yemen that are suffering because of these four hundred company thank you some viewers may be asking why workers on killing machines used in yemen and not laying down tools that's what happened in scotland when workers discovered they were maintaining engines for warplanes used to aid a cia backed coup in the latin american nation of chile while u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn was widely derided in elite media for recently being in geneva to mark twenty years into an attempt to make a goose to pinochet for war crimes charges a new documentary suggested and joining chile legacy in the u.k. joining me now via skype from edinburgh is the woodring director of ny passer on philippe cousteau sierra for the pay thanks so much for coming on the journey
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called as i said was laughed at for concerning himself with pinochet rather than things in this country what made you think the stories of these scottish workers. could make a good film about relations between britain and chile i mean originally i didn't really think we'd get this far this was a story or what i was a kid my father was a next out from chile and the story of the scottish boycott of chilean engines was one of the mystery and story verity so early on it was really more about finding out. if there was any truth to the story and if they had any impact what was it so it's been a long process been six years to get to the point where we're actually discovered you know what we're making of so many old guys themselves in this one discovered how much of an impact you had. and hawker hunter war planes were used by the dictatorship and in the coup maybe so the hawk a hunter was the most exported british. aircraft around
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a time and so by the time dear area force no longer using it they were ex and so into about twenty four different our forces around the world and some of them quite dodgy. so on the day of the coup in chile on the liver september one thousand seven hundred three to our counters flew over centuries ago a sort of it's going to irreversible damage to. the north to attack the palace where you know so much of our unit was if you surrender were soliciting a message to anyone not to oppose that and the workers may not have known that it would become a crucible for a new liberal chicago's their league and omics what did they want will concern the most about this southern order to maintain a rolls royce engine i mean there where you know there were four wars royce and most of them there were two rows or since they were in there you know fourteen sixteen year olds and started the printing so that's been their entire life you know when to so the saudi image of the coup in chile in effect the responsibility and you know six months later the first engine arrives in the factory and fulton
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who was a world war two veteran conflicts from italy to germany found that you don't want to you know put his name to it so you refuse to work on them there are some quite simple to the action this is one of the longest action of solidarity's in the world . guys managed to keep these engines in scranton for four years in the interests purges scottish elements until it has vanished in one thousand seventy eight and the guys were told within six weeks they're going to we're back in chile and already in service this doesn't really go with them but that was the last that they've heard. so. yeah it's been a long time to get to get some proper answers and it wasn't just bob fulton and the three others that are in the film soon. transport unions show solidarity with their actions here and that's goal and that's where bob fulton took the initiative and there are to his colleagues and automatically to kind of rallied around him all the shop stewards and sort of thirty shop stewards who were their representative for
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each union in the factory supported bob and it took it to their. shop floor and that was four thousand employees who backed the action nineteen knew back then of course you know this was one nine hundred seventy four so they had trillions where had a different kind of power back then and supported bobbins cronies completely and this is without them knowing the scale of torture and the disappeared i mean one has to say that margaret thatcher of course in this country hailed pinochet as a hero you obviously chilean just give us some perspective on the kind of torture that the british and american governments were defacto backing in chile i mean it by seventy four six months after the crew the thing that motivated bob was definitely no e.u. was in the house politicized some of his colleagues he'd heard a lot about the torture and human rights abuse which church so again it came from a slightly different perspective you know by by early seventy four some of the
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crimes committed by pinochet regime were already poor why well known it's only until the labor government i rise to power in seventy four that i started taking this seriously overall dicks to me that is about a million trillion. in exile as a result of the you know from the coup you see a muddled times columnist said about the german call been being in geneva with michelle bashfully was tortured by the regime the former leader of chile that it's kind of obscure why should it be relevant to a political leader here in britain today and what happened in chile in the one hundred seventy three. well i think it's been there you know it's been the party line show ever since the crew itself sort of downplayed the actual. atrocities that were committed you know and then in play i suppose the what distro it is the coming economic miracle of chile and there pinochet which is a complete fallacy has been debunked over and over and all you believe in before
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then though was in the solidarity between you suggest in the film by israel perhaps india in kenya who came to the aid of pinochet given what these goldish workers were doing and the many more there were no indian archives i found within the u.k. and in chile there's many countries who are or well aware of the embargo you can borrow against chile and are trying to see if they can sort of sideline it without them themselves being affected by the embargo but i was definitely suggestion that they thought inviting the leaders of the boycotts to chile would somehow sway. and their opinion if thereby cut british and others do it i mean it was absolutely a bid to discredit us from those royce inviting them and their and their spouses to chile on the next trip or expenses paid trip. i suppose if she does how things get resolved bunch of money at somebody and. the debacle discouraged workers i can
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support the war for the sierra thank you and you can see and i pass around and you kate cinemas now that's it for the show wednesday would winning musician share the stage with bob marley from ziggy marley tell us about modern slavery the wind drug scandal and racism in britain plus an exclusive performance from his new album man like i am still then he becomes president he will be back on wednesday one hundred one years to the day of a bolshevik revolution that would change the world forever. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to. the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know here i mean you know i lived with video through me in the new bill is that i'm new school in the middle of the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty fourteen. those who took part in
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this to do over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. maybe just maybe there is some hope for yemen and globalist suffered a major defeat in brazil and much much more on this edition of crossfire. the top stories now say the u.s. is re-imposed all sanctions against iran which were lifted in the twenty fifth day in the plea deal. in the banking sector with washington also threatening to paint allies foreign companies doing business with the.

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