forty you know bloody revolution of. the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know here i mean i live with to do with and they believe as i do believe me to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty four. those who took. this to do over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle maybe

just maybe there is some hope for yemen and global a supper a major defeat in brazil and much much more on this edition of cross. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dimitri bobbitt he is a political analyst with sputnik international and we have author he's the deputy dean at the department of political science at moscow state university all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate mark let me go to you first here we have announcements proclamations coming from the united states from the state department to the defense department about yemen about calling for a cease fire within thirty days get some movement on that does that story have any legs at all because this out. and others in the region have not really officially

reacted peter don't you think it's time to move on from this story obviously we're spending far more time than the western mainstream media as you keep in but that's what we're that's why are all going saudis at our barn and yet i don't expect anything to come from this first of all the most restraint voice in yemen. among the government and must be said the larger blob on the right or left is. james mad dog mattis the secretary of defense and he is the most restrained voice in the administration which is probably why he's been slated to likely be removed from office after the midterms with trump saying he's kind of a democrat and talking about him leaving is what written on the wall yet but maybe it is well i guess in talking about yemen is akin you're talking to a demon because that seems to be disappearing too it will take weeks to determine

what kind of sanctions will be although how many new cycles and i think it will all be forgotten intentionally well. right now the western media squatted all how everyone reacts to its novel in reality i think we should look at the past who supported the thought of muhammad bin so on and sold during the last five or six years there would be in fact russia given iran didn't has a board didn't know who will support it or haven't been sold and it was the united states and israel it was israel it was basically all we know all the european union they supported his stance on ourselves one hundred percent they supported his action in yemen but how do percent when it started in august two thousand and fourteen let me bring you back to august two thousand and fourteen first the western world was expecting that the ukrainian army will. finally crushed you know

that rebellion as they called it in the east of ukraine although the real rebellion happened several months before that in kiev with thirty five policemen killed i wonder how all of the american media would describe a peaceful demonstration killing thirty five policemen in washington right that's that's why they have the mainstream media yeah. exactly they expected a victory in ukraine and they expect it a quick victory in yemen and look how they reacted to the fact that russia too can neutral stand at that time and didn't support they said that russia isolated to itself by this action even more than it did itself by not supporting the draw and western and arab league action against mr austin who's who said it was basically one of the torrijos in there in the new york times in new york and it was their general the general grant you know if you look at the media in europe in the united states it was basically saying the same thing if everyone goes against again let me

remind you egypt when thinking even pakistan went against yemen if everyone goes against yemen then yemen is probably wrong well it's the same thing with syria you know when the whole class at the boy you know usually it's the bomb but it was all right or not it's lasted me that is this tells us very clearly that the united states is not is not willing to restrain the saudis and their allies all in their war against d.m. and me i mean even it hardly got into the news into the fear and now people know about it there's still no real push to end this senseless war well i think that the united states to career re comedian position on the show give fair on the one hand it's not possible to cancel on the call that contradicts all the ideology of the american administration is just to determine who is person responsible for that so. relationship of the saudi relationship is trumps any kind of personal

response committing premeditated murder sure sure sure so it's not not to blame the whole country the whole their leadership but just to to trace and punish only those who are responding that would be the house of saud talked about it and the solution to it is it is. up you know same age as we are but neither were the fifteen so it's the thought that no of course so here it was not by you know about you but that's your deep analysis and right to. switch gears here. the tropical trump what's going on in brazil because i think western media is misunderstanding fundamentally what is going on in brazil and what happened with the electorate what i mean by saying that is if you look at the coverage it's basically blaming the people the way they voted it's an echo of how liberal media looks at american politics it's the deplorable fault ok i think that some a misreading of what's going on here in brazil. so we had an extreme

right wing what is often described as populist i would rather refer to as fascist leader be for the most part freely elected other people fascists than. some of them you know. fifty five percent thirty percent of the british brazilian electorate and they are required to vote either an old or mark down their ballots they did not they chose not to vote and actually i think the big reading of this right you have a leftist candidate like the last few governments have been louis de silva was not allowed to run he was jailed on politically motivated corruption party by then the judge who jailed him was immediately given a position in both an r. o's do with administration. i think this is a failure of the liberal democrats of course that's what i think too because they

were so threatened by left wing governments that redistributed wealth to brazil's very large impoverished population education health programs etc that they chose either not to vote or they voted for the law and the one promising brutal law and order and i mean one has one of the highest homicide rates in the world it does but it's going to have a higher because this one says he's going to give police freedom to kill and that a policeman who doesn't kill isn't a policeman ok he may have it with pretty interesting here is that i think western liberals they see what's going on in brazil through the prism of contemporary politics in the west and i know up to this list is president elect he is fighting the battle of the sixty's and the seventy's he was part of the home to in brazil

this is there is the u.s. supported. this is almost like a time capsule in a way if you look at the rhetoric of brazilian politics it's almost. a reflection of the battles that they go that well if you look at the. where you the american media reacts to elections in latin america they're never there waiting americans always get it don't you remember that thing i recall i'm the oldest here i remember just have democracy and let people vote then they started voting to the left oh now we have to get rid of these or jeans here this is pattern just give you what they're gonna do on the new york times ten brazilian democracy be safe but my question is what is your business about saving democracy in brazil you already saved democracy in one thousand and seventy three you already saved democracy in brazil in the age of sixty four supported basically

a coup or against the brazilian president who walked with the accused of being an coots with according to law school well my eldest daughter get home i just don't get hunder exactly what the markets are going to talk about that my understanding is that people in latin america are fed up with the so-called mainstream liberal politics and they try to get out of the mainstream they voted for charges in one thousand one thousand nine because they were fed up with the oil company. you know given billions to the united states and their company and given millions to to us well and it's people you know. so you know i and others were not happy with the charges and now they're not happy with their new rule they're never there they're with both and they are all now in brazil and the problem is that the mainstream doesn't walk in this is what this is leave you with the detail you are of the establishment that it's really interesting as mark already alluded to and i mean if you look ever since democracy came to brazil it is essentially been the left to

center a very solid left the center is what happened here fifty five percent and you have even general calls playing a very important role here i mean the message was very very different than what was being reported in western media here of course we heard. less than sterling. narratives about politics i mean this president elect he's a bit vulgar i guess that's why these called the tropical tribe here but this is a radical message from the vast majority of the people to the elites exactly i think that the presidential election in brazil they reflect the general trend that people in general are tired of the old elite and the old mode a lot of governance so there is a demand for elite change and both sunroofs found very successful have found its own role and is very radical statements maybe just for p.r.

to get more publicity i don't think they were all into really doing the similar things which i think that it's actually that the law and order anti corruption rhetoric it because you hear all these other bolder things people are filtering that out because what they want is someone that's going to speak directly to their concerns exactly it reminds me of one survey of public opinion poll that was done in brazil immediately s. and i think american scientists who were there they were shocked by the results more than sixty percent of brazilians they may be asked several thousand people they said they could vote for any government. to be huge and new emperor or communists or democrats. on the condition that this government souls two major problems or brazil or decayed poverty and convert crime hold that thought we're going to go to a short break here and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with us.

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welcome back across or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok let me go back to mark here let's look if there is so a trend some tendencies here in the take a look at briggs it trump hungry germany brazil is there a thread that ties them all together no ok no i think too much can be made i think this brazil is a particular situation that has a lot to do with brazil's history of dictatorship and the history of the u.s. backed military dictatorship throughout south and that's a theme that doesn't get the mainstream all ok so. this is

a leader who has said that openly many times he supports dictatorship he wants to turn brazil into a dictatorship he said a former congressman he said the he is an admirer of pinochet and wants to bring neoliberal shock therapy economics to the country he says the problem with the previous brazilian us back to their ship is that it imprisoned too many people and didn't kill enough we need to kill at least thirty thousand he wanted to start a civil war and kill thirty thirty thousand back in the ninety's he's torture he's all in favor of it he thinks it's great. the indigenous there are parasites we have to get rid of all the native reserves and fifty five fifty five going on fifty five percent of the one thirty percent of the population didn't even vote and the principle leftist candidate who everyone thought polls agreed one of win was jailed . on politically motivated corruption charges right before the election.

i don't see him as a populist in the brand of not i agree this is. all the character that they make out of trump in the liberal media in the us this man actually. represents and it is completely wrong in the us they don't support him the us administration is crowing about his election while cities like to do all three weeks of israel he already announced he's going to move the person to the embassy to jerusalem and brooks is dead as it were he said. he's going to move brazil so far into the us camp right now the biggest thing they're talking about in the us neo con circles i'm looking at former admiral stavridis writing in bloomberg talking about the sweep of victory for both the u.s. and france axis america yeah but it's not a coincidence that john bolton u.s.

national security advisor referred to a new troika of tyranny and a triangle of terrorism talking about. saudi arabia qatar and bahrain no no no this and the. then ignore us. cuba and venezuela has already been overthrown in a u.s. backed. me here i mean there are people that are like to use the example of germany and brazil as part of this populous wave and i agree with mark populism is a more of a strategy and not an ideology i think we should do a separate program on that. marx's there's not enough there to tie them together but to take well first of all. i should i think we just don't know i mean a lot of horrible things are said to the filipino president attempt it because of he has a way of fighting the drug problem will do night that states and their friends in

mexico forty five thousand people here in these war on drugs that is a fact and that is a lot more the ease accused of killing in the p.p.o. in the fifty's so i think we just don't know which to see how he will act and what will happen because i'm kind of tired all of that the. it's sane you know saddam hussein is going to wage a war on all of the media east qaddafi is going to attack europe by terrorist acts . might do is going to attack colombia and then we have the united states and the european union at take in iraq and then we started to bomb police so this so-called new order of the guys the mainstream guys who were in fact i don't think we have to worry about this because he's an entirely pro u.s. candidate supported by us we would have to see ok we'll see germany about germany well i think we should congratulate the world with the fact that america is leaving you know basically who is in the lecturing in the in has some well

the problem with america is that she is very politically correct she would not see things like the ones that are all set but she stopped at the coup in ukraine she supported in person her foreign minister was speaking to the peaceful protesters in my don who killed so if i am interested she compared the division of division between crimea and ukraine to the division of germany this was all it's very bloody what are interesting because you know if you look back in two thousand and fourteen that was one of the first major foreign policy initiatives that the europeans had under the home. angela merkel and it was an utter catastrophe here ok gentlemen i want to move on here and talk about. it's time for sanctioning of iran here. i think that if this was done fifteen or twenty years ago there might be something to it but i think there's going to be an enormous amount there already rhetorical he

is a lot of pushback against the trump administration for its attempted global sanctioning . iran it isn't going to happen and our wide relationships already under stress are going to be under even more stress iran is going to. wait this in when this. i would compare the decision about sanctions against iran with the very recent decision to withdraw from this very good old treaty between the us . yes and i think that the idea of president trump and his administration is first to free their own hands so there are no longer committed to some deals that were made by their predecessors so all of the they're not responsible for the policies of the previous presidents so it makes them more gives them more freedom of choice about their future moves and also i think it's

very important to seize the initiative not be the full food the previous leaders but to to lead not too full so yeah let's all really go she would really go she ate here but that's a policy of spite in seems to me anything that obama did it has to be here an idea and not only a bomb but yeah but i think also that you have again we've talked many many times i've actually made separate programs on the hand of john bolton you know this is this is the next step right here in the threatening. this is going to be iran is going to draw a very specific lines in the sand i think this is a very important story first of all i mean we have to remember we have it ministration that the foreign policy at this point is now entirely in the hands of the. bomb peo and you know they have a hard on for a war with iran i mean there's exactly when you talk the understatement of freedom

of options that's exactly what we're talking about is they're moving step by step part of a you could see the script it phases towards a war of aggression against iran whether that's a libya style you know you know supporting proxies or so i think that's most likely k. . maybe some limited strikes but that's what we are going to do but these sanctions are a joke yes i mean did you did you see that the advertisements i mean they ran advertisements for sanctions like. the interesting says george r.r. martin sanctions are coming instead of winter is coming these are the latest of countries that the u.s. has already granted waivers to because they already announced they're not going to follow what is a sinister greatest hits china the biggest in the world and india the most populous country in the world taiwan right u.s. ally in little client state off the coast of china south korea u.s. ally italy part of the e.u. the united arab emirates u.s.

ally dictatorship in the middle east turkey a non really still part of nato kind of u.s. ally that the u.s. can't afford to middling or angrier right now because their proxies are killing each other in syria and japan a major industrial company and u.s. army rather didn't make the cut grac iraq as well and they've been granted only oil but for food and other things as well so before the sanctions are even come into effect they've already been granted waiver and the rest of the e.u. is certainly not going to follow suit either so sanctions sanctions are coming sanctions already left and they didn't have. to use them in american media here i hope you catch it here but it's it's all hat and no cattle ok. so they really got it but i don't have an internet and i pod cows i just loved the way we were on

the is there even though that the states and the european union if you look at the recent years the all only country that opened this said that the bill's all that was the killer and that openly opposed his actions was iran. you know that when russia had he would russia didn't do it so well they say no or sanction iran or you know crippling sanctions sanctions. i think they're trying to essentially coalitions because the iranians were the old ones who saw the real you and they actually called directed here. not only those eight countries are an exception even american companies may get special license from the treasury department and do business with iran if needed so it's like sanctions are ascensions but you can always get out of it is this is this again from pulling out that in the book or the as all of his little misses on the bus and his checks and all this it seems to me

very rhetorical here you know this is obviously a political move before the elections to a large extent. i'm not so sure how popular sanctions on iran are with the american people or not i don't i don't i don't think american people care about sanctions on i mean i either way i don't i don't think they don't support them i don't think they do support i don't i don't think they really care about this not what americans vote or care about all there are other than from the angry comments the people that watch the show you all know that you are not the average americans that you actually are concerned with forget you would be watching this program watching the show if you are right but by and large you know every data shows americans do not vote on foreign policy and they certainly don't care whether their sanctions or not on iraq last thirty seconds. there was more story that happened or visit the ukrainian troops is going to face some very difficult times ahead as the president came to you stumble to unstick

constantinople he signed the deal with the constantinople and the u.s. state department supported this so much for the wall of separation between church and state we have the guy who came to power in ukraine i would call meeting there. had all of a religious organization that represents eight thousand people and even then. and they both decide to crush basically a church which is about five thousand years old and which kate it was all for the good behavior we're going to ask you to keep an eye on that story it will come back to you with that in the future that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rolls.

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