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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle finally the midterm elections and there are many questions with these races a referendum on donald trump's time in office what will the democrats do in power and what chances in two thousand and twenty. crosstalk in the midterm elections i'm joined by my guest mark silva here in moscow he's an international affairs and security analyst and we're joined by lionel in new york he's a legal analyst and a news decoder at lionel media dot com and chattanooga we cross to brian joyce he's the host of the brian joyce show and in los angeles we have ron pluck own he is a comedian a frequent guest on the jimmy door show and the young turks as well as host of his own streaming show get your news on with wrong all right let's start let me start with you. mark here i guess the first thing that comes to my mind is that there was

no way. jake tapper at the c.n.n. evidently for the first time maybe in history agrees with you and that was the words out of his mouth early this morning late in the evening when this was announced yeah so the results of gone down pretty much as expected the republicans retain control of the senate the democrats have recovered the house and the governors' races are perhaps a little more split than they were expected to be. so what we saw was pretty much a standard made term election. where we see you know the presidential it's expected that the president's side will do poorly in midterm elections it's pretty much what we see here split houses where the republicans actually did slightly better in the senate and it's not been since one thousand

nine hundred four that this is happened well it's interesting it let me let me go to ron in los angeles what ron is some kind of normality return to american politics i mean the what his early results that we know now is pretty much conforms with what we would have expected during a president's first midterm elections run in l.a. . yeah i kind of echo that too this isn't terribly surprising you know i like a good wave analogy living in southern california people are saying there's going to be a huge blue wave and i was like look i think there's going to be a kind of a ripple but it's not going to be something you're going to want to take in to shore and i kind of feel like that's essentially what happened yeah there was a little little wave there for the house but then it kind of rippled out in the senate and it didn't quite make it to shore so yeah this is typically what you see in a midterm with whatever party is against what's in the white house those are the types of gains you see so you know there are some things on the micro levels to be

optimistic about on the progressive side of the coin there were some pick up by d.s.a. backed candidates and stuff like that meanwhile more establishment back and it's kind of went down so i think that's remnant of the trend we're seeing in our country but yes far as overall results as of right now as of the recording of this nothing really a typical you know brian is the republican party finally now the trumps party with the selection and you know. the republicans can pat themselves on the back fox certainly is doing it but trump went to red meat states ok here's his big tour he was speaking to the converted already ok but is the party trumps party now. well i don't think there's any doubt that the republican party of twenty eight seen as donald trump's party even here in tennessee we've seen we've seen republicans like corker who just they stepped down or bob corker stepped down because it just i am

convinced bob corker just doesn't really see a position for himself in the future of the republican party and i think we've seen that in certain other cases as well there were some chatter at first that maybe a guy like bill has who was a republican governor of tennessee very popular would step in and run for bob corker seat but bill haslam is also a very centrist republican much like bob corker and he didn't even want to run for that seat because he really didn't see a path to victory for himself so i think this is absolutely donald trump's party victory for marsha blackburn here in tennessee is indicative of that right the candidates who are winning our candidate who by a lower. limits it's goto that's got a line in here we have small problem there ok lionel. with the house going back into the hands of the democrats we've heard all through the campaign the base is interested in these investigations and investigating trump his family russia game

interesting lamp was hardly mentioned during this election cycle and bad days english so but you know if we if palosi comes back in power as speaker. what what's the tension going to be with the base and the centrists in the democratic party when it comes to trump dealing with trump specifically and i'm using the word the i word impeachment. ok well first and foremost the greatest thing that could ever happen and i know this is a big problem for a lot of my friends is sometimes you look at this as a purgative you know trump was winning everything one time he said are you tired of winning not really and i think what people are going to look at this as it specially in the world of stocks as you know peter the call this a correction right every now and now in the during a correction you're going to see what the democrats have been wanting to do now what i hope for and i want you to understand i am a political atheist i believe me i this president i love what he's doing by the way

what you did notice something barack obama in a couple of instances tried to campaign with him recently after two days he was hoarse and exhausted trumped to seventy two years old one hundred pounds overweight and he's like the eveready battery he was one of the greatest campaigners of all time but i hope what happens is that they let nancy pelosi go full tilt boogie and maxine waters in charge of the senate finance committee and then when jerry nadler to be in charge of the the the house judiciary and i want these people to go nuts and by the way as you said where is there we where is there was should an interaction here did they drop the ball does this does this bode ill for muller's investigation i just asked about twenty questions which is why i'm paid the big bucks to do so so that of so are at but here is a live oh you're you're you're really going to the the the worst better the better scenario from your point of view here mark. you know why don't they bring up

a good point i mean in a macro sense you know the economy is humming along i think if you go micro it's a lot more complicated than a lot of the media likes to say. you know that should have been something in that should have given trump a little bit more room because the economy is doing basically much better ok i get i think it's much more nuanced but by the standards that journalists report the economy is doing well the stock market the g.d.p. doesn't necessarily reflect how it's the economy is doing down at the end of the lines in the pocketbook of the you know the average family in different parts of the country but yeah if a midterm has one punch line. that is not a blue wave it's not the economy stupid right because obviously trump was on the minds we see some two thirds of voters were voting primarily because of

a strong opinion on drop youth wimmin and minorities predictably turned out very high higher than than than i do or more for the that's a very good point ron that you know the back to los angeles i think that's an interesting sign the turnout was higher than expected here because i guess we can that's accounted for because of the polarization but there we go it going into the midterms are two issues i think that the media puts a lot of focus on and with different angles obviously cavanagh and the caravan how did that how did those two issues play in the selection. well i think actually people are hungry for some real policy ideas i mean i mean you guys bring up nancy pelosi she has said that her first priority is trump's tax returns and pay go and people just aren't interested in that people just aren't interested at all nor are people interested in these kind of hot button issues that the media just kind

of shoves down people's throats i think people are interested in real solution real policy ideas that's why when you look at some of the people that kind of came close to a rourke. you know they both came out of the gate swinging really hard and they were kind of steadfast in their positions then they kind of eased up a little bit on the medicare for all and gillum in particular started campaigning with debbie wassermann schultz with hillary clinton well then look what happened they kind of didn't have enough to get to the finish line so i think people are hungry for real policy and answers and that's why that turn out was what it was you know that's why i love having you on the program run because you're you're on the progressive side i'm on the conservative side but we have one thing in common we like policy where policy wonks and i think that's where we need to get back to brian let me go back to you i only want to end the wars we want and the way to do it we're going to do that the next part of the program going to mention that brian . given what lionel has said and what mark just said here going into two thousand

and twenty could we see a red undertow instead of any kind of waves because if if if you're going to go after tax troubles taxes and these investigations and then in light of what ron just said there that's not policy that's just politicking the politics of personal destruction go ahead. well our year i mean i'm at the point now where i think it's next to impossible to predict what exactly is going to happen you know i mean if democrats in the house want to go after traumas taxes i don't think that's a political witch hunt necessarily i think there's a lot better to be seen in those tax returns and i think it would show a lot about what the president's financial shock ties are and why perhaps he's beholden to certain foreign interests that bet is a huge concern of mine i'll be completely honest and that's why that if it has to do with policy than than you would meet count me in ok that is fine line only one minute before we go to the break i can tell you want to jump in go ahead what we're

having right now this wonderfully intelligent graue roundtable discussion. occurred nowhere among anybody that i knew this was not an election about policy or issues or platforms or dreams this was a a roar shock hate fest yeah about tromp if there was no wow we're giving so much intellectual heft we're giving people around the world the idea that americans speak like this it's the opposite it was our side versus the other side and it was based upon a fundamental schizo phrenic trump derangement syndrome which was the sole basis and focus of much of the democratic platform i'm sorry to break anybody's a bubble here but to give it the idea that somehow america talk about policy are you kidding me if i felt it wasn't. going to get right away i got to jump in here guys we've got to go to a hard break here after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the

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welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the midterms. ok marc let me go back to you here after everything is said and. what's trumps position right now one of the interesting things he said right before the. voting stations opened he actually talked about. the importance of tony in politics maybe i'm reading too much into it what's his standing after the dust settles yet not good i think we can take of this lesson we call it three g.'s gerrymandering plus geographical polarization equals gridlock and that's what we're looking at going forward and if you think the mueller investigation was bad hold on the your

seats because there's about to be a new blood sport in d.c. these are the things you want to look at democrats control the house particularly with the oversight in the ways and means committee they're going to launch subpoenas investigations into trump's accusations of sexual harassment of misconduct in the us taxes in the giving cushion or a security clearance we're going to see hearings trumps legislative agenda is dead dead in the water if you ever had one and of course the inevitability of impeachment will come up on the other side wrong with the way the senate i mean i mean. really i don't see that how unless they want to go through it and see it or it'll be they want political feet of course they can't because of the senate but political theater and there's always the potential for something foreign policy wise to flip enough neo-cons in the senate depending on you know how things go

foreign policy wise but trump will still control executive order. and he'll try to legislate out of that remember obama and clinton seem governed with a. b. that's the trend here additional judicial appointments will be appointed by the sentiment and trump of course still has control of the military. are we just going to see more intense part is a partisan conflict here because we do have a split government now we have a split congress. but our our people haven't people had enough of just donald trump twenty four seven i mean is this really what the democrats is this going to really benefit i think that's. i think they have peter i really do and to respond to some of the other points others are making i do take lionel's point that you don't hear a lot of policy talk especially via the corporate media just like every election cycle this one was treated like a circus too but

a lot of people showed up because they were voting to legalize pot in their state where are they were voting to end gerrymandering or something like that people are hungry for real solutions and to the point brian was making i highly doubt that anywhere in the heartland of this country where you have people that are working two and three jobs just to put food on the table and you know if you ask them what they're concerned about they're going to say i'm not really concerned about paying for my kids' college i'm not really concerned about my ability to go to a doctor i'm really concerned about seeing trump's tax returns if i can just see those tax returns all the other problems will solve that themselves i don't think that's the country that we live and i think that's just the hyper partisan media cycle that we hear twenty four hours a day and it's not reflective of the people that live in the united states at all and there's a bunch of academic studies that back that up brian with respond to that because i think all of us here and maybe that's what makes us anomalous i'm very interested

in policy and if we have a level of partisanship intensifying then there's no room for policy it is just the politics of personal destruction personally i'm sick and tired of hearing what donald trump has a say every single day i really don't care i care about policy go ahead. i care about policy too i don't really see much getting done i mean and in about how a caravan of refugees is invading the united states that's not a policy that's a myth i mean this is it's all just mythology to the point of terms taxes truck taxes are very very important to see because it would reveal whether or not this man has financial ties to serve all what darcs in certain countries that should be of a very very high concern to the average american this stuff speaks volumes about the kind of policy that this man is putting down and the fact that he will not show them to us that alone that alone is incredibly suspicious there's nothing to hide

there to show them to us show them to us ok lionel does the drums taxes keep you up at night now trying taxes don't show anything anybody who knows anything about forensic i go to that and it said that doesn't mean anything look at the bottom line was this peter you're a freak nobody here want to talk about policy and the best thing to could ever happen to trump is that they actually do what was said before if the democrats go full throttle against him and do that it will be the exhibit a of exactly what he is talking about doing in finally crushing the deep state and you don't think more rotting caravans coming into our country is big new to argue about anything and who's marotta largely why that's a lot of it's not rotting caravans that's a lot last year you might want to get your optics checked because believe it or not we are seeing this and you may see does and you may be the only person that i know

out of who sees it in this way it is a very well. ok well it's a caravan of refugees a thousand miles away who are they were not me well you both bring up a good point here mark is that immigration is still front and center interesting really enough. when trump went down the escalator that's what he talked about now we're at the two thousand and eighteen midterms now they're in the rearview mirror but that issue still is on front and center yeah immigration is a very polarizing issue and we see a lack of intelligent policy discussion we have one side that tries to demonize immigrants and say all immigration is bad and we shouldn't have anyone on the other side we have other side saying we should forget borders forget solvent to use forget our security and invite everyone in the world whoever reaches our borders into that country and neither one of these are intelligent ways to discuss in issue and. every president for the last few decades including obama including trump has

admitted that our immigration policy in our this country is broken but no one has been able to even put forward an e. realistic program and in a realistic policy platform for correcting it now i don't think that it is a real hot button issue i think it was political theater on both sides the forces behind arranging this caravan that was political theater trumps faithful patriot reaction that was political theater when the new york times condemned the idea that american troops should be put on there on our own border in a cartoon and suggested rather that our troops should be off you know killing people in the middle east that is well a condemnation of the moral blame group c. of the new york thugs and good point well let me go back to los angeles remark brings up a good point here and if you could perilous say for example fox news and then m s n

b c and c.n.n. . juxtapose them. they show you the same pictures but they tell you a different story and again i think immigration is a very important issue and it's a very important putting on where you live too but it really is driven by the media cycle of what we see and what we hear and then how the debate is constructed i mean this is really constructed. chaos at times in the political sphere go ahead ron. yeah it certainly is and i favor a common sense policy for immigration i also think that i do also favor abolishing ice i don't think we need those brutal tactics i do think the caravan was just mostly scapegoating nonsense. so that's kind of where a man on the issue i think it's largely used as a scapegoat we have

a net zero immigration coming across the border. and i think it's just kind of a polarizing talking point ok and i want to switch gears here i know lionel disagrees that's ok. we're markedly in my mind very little foreign policy was discussed in this cycle here which i think it's extremely important we have tensions rising all around the world donald trump is taking a very unilateralist view on many issues here. traditional american allies are the wilderness not angered some issues here why it doesn't get into the midterms i mean isn't it sexy enough or is it does so bipartisan they don't want to turn the apple cart over because its foreign policy is so bipartisan. is a radioactive for yes for you. yeah i mean in terms of a midterm election i don't know really unless we're talking about times of war

whether or not for policy really ever factors too much and it usually is about the economy stupid i mean in this case you know there are certainly some. regions and. i think we should be talking about or eight countries right now yeah well there are eight active conflicts there eight hundred bases in eighty countries make nine countries i think it's important that the thing is that it's not brought up into the political discussion so people can debate it i mean we're going to get disco back with ron and i were saying you know what the caravan i mean it's made for television coverage ok and that's what's driving the discussion here but i think that when there's an obligation at least i feel an obligation that we should look at it are a more broad spectrum because foreign policy does count you finish up prime for about a lionel. you know i mean what i was suggesting is obviously there are military

conflicts around the world and we have a military presence in regions of the country we're not in full war really anywhere not at this point well you know and so i don't you know i don't know you would know it for the mainstream media let me go to line a while go ahead. this is the exact reason why nobody knows what the hell is going on and this is from a gentleman who was i think far more versed in what's going on in the world that most people and he doesn't know what's going on for some reason i don't know what it is what it comes to the american need the media palate we think that look we are here and had so over there and when you talk about yeah man and maybe we'll talk about saudi arabia if you could put somebody about a bone saw maybe that gets interesting but we have you talk about in your contrary we have this idea that. unless it's a real war where we fly over and we have embedded coverage this is emblematic of the problem this is why nobody talks about it because for some reason we are

dyslexic when it comes to the notion of war this is exhibit a to by the way with all due respect ok i'm going to jump in here many thanks to my guests in new york out in chattanooga los angeles and here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segments stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk well. there's no break here in rwanda in the isis terrorists. but there are bad memories. twenty four years ago this country song a real end of the world. after the

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