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mediation. diplomats failed to in conflict come into play looking quietly as private citizens of the spotlight. mistrust and blood feuds patiently bringing warring parties to the table. as parallel citizen diplomacy work will. give. the people. with the promise of nobel peace prizes or t.v. fame and how do they get the job done. thank you very much for being with us today thank you for everything. to be in such an interesting profession i want to know all about it so you are a noted negotiator lots of success stories in africa i know that you're now trying to get sites in libya to sit down and talk i mean in a way you're more successful than united nations at least you're getting these guys to sit down and talk. with you the nations as you

would need united nations but also somewhere somehow i needed those. two forces which. so you are right now talking about putting down the barriers of mistrust in libya but those barriers are were actually put up way before you and for the reasons that are beyond you what makes you think that an outsider can bring them down. over the country and. and bed also so he spect was a condition and is always a completely leaves and. going to one. while all easy to show off i think where all countries affecting over libya why not

giving really begin to proceed to have to exist as a voice and to jointly express what they would like to do is a home country she's my aim is not to make peace east to peate. the fundamentals to create. for. peace this is what i'm trying to so what kind of effort do you have to make to actually bring this people together in the same room bust. class is always the big word yes it should be when but it's essential what they have done fully by for example is a following. a tie to look i don't the five. is a general scope of politically. two extremes of the scope and i for i found bishop was aides and very close to.

their feet and their large ability belhaj was forming fault but to fight has got to fit him since he has years of seventy so. and those are the two except the one who uses it will never talk together because. one accusing the other of. the worst things and. so i put them together how how by convincing them that their meeting will be not to discuss . the past and what these won't but to see what they have in common what they want to force in common what is that point of conversions as far as he is going. is concerned and he knowing it was a point of difference also it was a point where they don't like anyone and it happened. of course they will accept any city case by their own people or as a people of

a follow else how can you meet these men now can you see to bellagio can you see it will be sure sunday but homes that meeting. ziyad agree on very simple principle about the future of libya. should be one country should be a civilian government should be an army will respond to civilian government so this should be an independent judiciary because this is something that's what i'm saying like this is something that international diplomats have been trying to do forever and you're just saying you know i convinced both sides that they shouldn't talk about the past just talk about the future and a common goal of libya this is a very simple straightforward formula that other diplomats use as well i still don't understand how it works out when you come in a dozen when other diplomats to you must have a key that others don't know what is that key thing they ever keep the one they have a past twenty do them some kind of guarantees what. so there's no guarantee you could

have. a hand at the beginning it was a complete left shows are after five minutes no problem is. once you have once you are not an institution when you are not a government. your voice is your voice it belongs to you and even. in your voice zen people accept to do seems they would not accept was a situation. is this is a difference between diplomacy and official diplomacy. diplomacy is one like everybody talks the same way nobody can have individual opinions they have to express what is it. different than me i am not bound to say i can i can have i can do what i want when i want and people believe

as close to me. just one example in south africa i stopped the dialogues between white and black by an exchange of prisoners. other than sixty people. five country forms five complaints for. access to places in the. muslim beak into the very small sleep everything went right not one document was site so he's not the best bet which has been site everybody rife with because of this was it planes to be put back as a back of the prisoners everybody believe that it should be issued that i have at that time and be part of that. not one paper. and it was involving major country like hamas or south africa.

mozambique so i wonder if it always goes down so it's most i had a friend an american friend who was working at the fall of apartheid in south africa just like you and he was telling me you know every time he's in the conflict resolution as well and he was how we know every time i go for a new job i have this feeling that i know what to do i know how to fix said i know it better and after three years of being there he was like you just fall into this state where you understand you don't know anything and you probably will never understand anything do you ever get that feeling when you go to a new conflict to a new country where you feel like i know it i'm going to do this and then you're on the ground and you trying to do your job trying trying trying and then at the end of the day you like i just don't understand anything and probably never will you were talking about success. so yes god i had some success but they had also

failure i had big failure i tied to fix conflicts which i didn't succeed. so of course i am. my success but why is to give a chance to to the to peace to give a chance to peace doesn't mean that you get on to that you will bring peace but at least you give a chance to achieve peace this is what i'm going to type to do with no guarantees that i will succeed so i am much more courageous and much more ambitious than if i am seeking ways and i'm going to succeed or not she's not my issue i am not sinking was what i was a chance what i was a statistic what i was a possibility for me to succeed and not interested i just say shall i do i have enough elements in my hands to try to bring peace. do i have elements here. are my going to put them aside not doing what they want no of

course not i go for it this is their s. life danger at any point in your line of work where you feel like sense of superiority here i am white man from the land of prosperity and peace i come to you party squabbling i will solve your pain because i know better does do you ever get that feeling because it's dangerous there's a there's a fine line when you have so much power and trust. in your hands and you can make the process as movies can get that sense you can yeah sure i don't you don't have i am very as i don't. believes that i am sure of what i'm doing that i am as i am a person who is it is easy is it and i don't know the world in english i'm sorry as i adapt about what i am doing just censuses

a feeling of superiority can never occur because if i doubt that means that they don't as i don't have a sense of superiority and i am and i never go is a sense of and then people know that you know we are dealing with men we are dealing with human and sometime we have to put aside the paper and document and report and z. explain asia is a logical explanations. to to get. also a human side in the piece because everybody will use. the people who. is a muslim to be the most wired cocktails somewhere somehow was hoping for peace and want peace this is is there an easy in it out of your butt. i think maybe something given worst and sense of security that a lot of big powers get while they're going into conflicts is ignorance because right now we see a lot of politicians. they don't have the understanding of the region when they

actually act in that region they don't know the complexity of the fragility of the places that they affect for instance i remember president obama saying that not lack of planning in libya was probably one of his biggest mistakes of his presidency just recently norway admitted having no idea what they were doing when they send their planes to bomb libya and we see that happening actually a lot where does this i'm a tour approach come from i mean should they elected leaders be sent to some mandatory job or have political lessons about the world because this happens all the time you know when you when you start to do something and it's valid for governmental individuals don't apply to. see it twice before you. even need to bad and you replace it by the worse and unfortunately would happen more and more. questions like this you you you want to

change because because of bad but you replace it by some of the bad you have to take it off and for me of course how can you avoid that you avoid it by. because when when you leave a conflict by keating another conflict when you when you. are solutions by creating another if you fail but when you deal with because you will when. you see it's years of that bacteria he wants to build a future together then you are avoiding to replace the. bad the worst mistral here we're going to take a short break right now welcome back we'll continue talking about harold the promise and what is it and is it more effective beneficial the promises stay with

us. yeah. yeah yeah. yeah . both the republicans and democrats claim victory in the wake of the midterm elections. anything. what the voters voted for.

and we're back with. expert in peril diplomacy and the chairman of the foundation and i remember you expressing your opinion in the early times of the syrian conflict escalation you were about wrote about wars of good versus evil. that was you write that you know they said that this is led by us and they can no longer force on everyone because balance of power is shifting so i always think of why does the united states still go over and over again for the same strategy of fighting the black and white good versus evil wars when it has brought all his lee so much misery to the world and to themselves in the first place. why not to me to

answer to this question you're a true diplomat no i'm not to this is not to me sure why you why should a express an opinion on the left here are an american know i. am just as it were worse yes. i am just saying we have to be very worried that you we by taking something bad will be placings by subsidy even worse and its story as proof that some of the actions taken by just one those. have been the placing something bad something event where us. we leave that to the twentieth century and. those mistakes because why as you said about president obama they were not planning after what do we do after how i work and for me i am taking this after as a very fundamental bass and after has to be

a consideration is it is a consideration they can be exchange of opinion it can be democracy i'm not talking about western democracy or eastern democracy or specific democracy a book the ability of the people to decide of their own future that can only be done. before hate considerations or cure and that it is real so you just mentioned earlier in the into that peril the promise in official diplomacy it's pyro because they go without crossing pass so that means that you're not part of the system right official system there that the stablish meanwhile when you do your job as a diplomat and a lot of your success stories in the african period they were tied to the hall they were tied to shock seen you kind of are in the system or are you completely not part of the system. after certain moments.

it's time for the system to take over. that's for sure i am as i said earlier i am not here to make peace i am here to facilitate peace who is going to make peace izzie a situation because you need twenty agreement it's one which i am not thinkable to to take so yes at a certain moment there is let's say if. some people accept it some countries accept it there is a lack of communication and. a takeover by country of two brings everything to lose if in the finality when i did so because i feel that which led to the independence of namibia and for the first time as a cuban and the american were sitting at the same table with together with the south africans younger than it was i have the political has been signed. it was

taken by the un and there was a big show in. the un for the signing of the agreement i was not even invited i want to invent it nobody invited me when they all know that i was initiated this is because this time at a certain moment of the official takeover and i don't pretend that i can replace what is off the show of course not i am not here to the place anybody i am not here to to do. to i am here to help to assist not to replace the official diplomats listen to your advice as an outsider or do they really try to shut you down because it's competition then we have to go back to the human nature i have extolled the need for friends with our diplomats and zander said what i do and prove what it. of course. they belong to as i said feeling. myself probably not but then again it's not white and

black it's i have very good friends we have diplomats they had. and they have no problem with them because it is really allies that bring some seeing the extent. of the progress but of course it is situation we don't like me maybe they don't like successes or has have your political convictions or i don't know moral convictions ever get in the way of doing the job as a imperil the commissaire for instance this guy i cannot talk to that want to talk to or whatever you feel personally is always irrelevant if you have to make peace and make people reconcile. there is not one person in the planet has so little if you sort of course never one. as criminally can be i will accept if he is a d. to talk about peace i will talk to him of course in the beginning of the interview

set that i bring fighting sides to one table because there is trust you know they trust me and they trust that you know with they come together it's going to be for the better of the common cause does this always work how do you make people who are not willing to reconcile change their mind or this is only work when they actually do want to negotiate their side you see this is a tactic between records. when i did i did the first conference which is in may in that car which she's called now that i won because hopefully we are going to have a dugout to. i did invite all the people there i didn't know who are the people but i have done. i went to bishop's alley i went to a billet village and i said please convince your friends to come to the conference

so exam. have been convincing their friends to come to the conference so i was not exposed as a person the test was. jumping jumping from one person to the other but at the end of this way also. because if i would have been the one who had been traveling with my legs and going to to see the people i want to invade to convince maybe i would not have succeeded because it dawned on me send a verse of me there who is white man in the libyan conflict as you say. but if i am using somebody was done by said. that's a different push this is something which is you don't very briefly when i started to be interested in africa i had a chance i was very young i was twenty i was me i was invited for dinner by a very fantastic man we were president of a device of iran he caused. me and he invited me over for lunch and he was

listening to me and i was interested in going to call him what i want to do with africa an hour into africa i was there and as the end of the dinner he said you are interested was a fake i am going to give you only one advice only one never enter an african village if you are not accompanied by somebody who is known by the village. and they have apply. all my life is. a caution is the. beginning is never given by myself is given by somebody who has a test of a person. and it works so i realize that there are no guarantees of any kind of anything when you get two people when you get people in the same room that have been killing each other for such a long time it's always a big deal that they sit down but what is the success rate usually those people who

have been feuding for so long ok they're in the same room what is the success rate after they start talking have you i'm sure you've. already there are in your personal theory i don't i don't count ok but let me tell you something is where the dialogue is the most essential because that means easy and accepted to meet. it has been a patient it was a meeting is not is not. idea what they're going to discuss their bed so indeed a cli indeed take the dialogue has been established between them by me most of the most of the time for me so. they don't. have before they meet. evaluated appreciative. that it was going to be very be very sour and i was

a relief but. i never experienced. a moment where i put two parties together and no one has left the home never explained that they might not and. it did happen in the car one when after mrs. delegates. accepted to be on the plane that charter i didn't that but when this all was going to be their homes i said no we cannot sit there with the same people in the left so. the. ways that. i never experimented but do you know like gestures words that are it already like signal to you that there's going to be a deal here do you feel yes dance or are this like a center for ages and is when you're intervene. you know you're not. the mains as long. as it is not. beginning or slight of

conflict your positions then yes you have to intervene and calm down and tell people that geez what do you mean she's what do you. know that they maybe you you can match and. you feel it you in the negotiation you you feel it's a time you use you should. and having yes would you work on a complicated conflict like syria and if not then what would you advice people to do that no i would never work on the conflict there because unfortunately syria is going to be young people of syria of syria. i still believe that in libya yes not yet live and where it goes beyond the people of. the people of syria is a poor people of syria who doesn't count i mean. it is so what will

be my role to do do or do to have syrian government. syrian and the us government and. and i don't have the keys and. i cannot and that is also given i don't have i'm not following so since well good luck in the cases that you are involved and i'm sure they're going to be successful like most of the cases you have undertaken thank you much for this and thank you very much it's been a pleasure it was been a pleasure for me to. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the

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