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the headlines here on our two international emanuel micron that welcomes donald trump to paris a. day commemorations with the two leaders attempting to settle their differences following a dispute over proposals for a european army. the white house finds itself and boiled in further controversy after it uses an allegedly doctored video clip to justify its banning of jim acosta from press briefings. as saudi arabia posts a tweet in support of the yemeni children where the u.n. warns tens of thousands die every year as a result of the saudi bombing campaign. and that the syrian army rescues over
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a dozen hostages from the islamic state while the u.s. report reveals american aid money is ending up in terrorist pockets. course you can read all about those stories over on our web site r t v dot com my colleague well he's got you covered here in about an hour's time but in the meantime it is time for going underground and if you're watching in the u.k. or ireland stick with us for. time after time here we're going underground on the birthday of the man who had it for millions of the repeated thirty five million death toll in india and created the catholic black and tans death squads in ireland winston churchill coming up on the show a victory for abstention azim with a job. of americans not voting at the u.s.
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midterms we go to georgia to measure the decline of u.s. democracy with the green party's twenty sixteen vice presidential candidate john mclaughlin and will tomorrow's meetings between leaders of china russia and india in singapore signaled the beginning of the end of major nations power we speak to a u.k. government has invited her on china plus from the headlines the president who's planning for war while parading for peace in the poet who sees no lowell's in being a lawrence all this and more coming up in today's going on the ground but first tereza may stands in silence today to commemorate british wars of the royal albert hall amidst thousands of u.k. veterans homeless and a noticeable lack of publicized see that the german revolution ended world war one in the real world vladimir putin prepares to meet donald trump tomorrow in paris before a big a meeting of the g. twenty this is the week when president mccraw unveiled plans for a real e.u. on me. but i've. been president he couldn't afford.
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the security to. make. me want to of the four thirty some people said monday that there's a need so the e.u. is creating an independent army on the hundredth anniversary of a war to end all wars that killed or wounded more than forty million what could go wrong and why was the politician who is arguably have more influence on britain's future than any other nigel farage laughed at by u.k. media and join claude young when he said this three years ago mr young said we must convey to russia that we are serious who do you think you are kidding mr young we do don't want any part of an e.u. army and i doubt the rest of the peoples of europe do either for. the left of arguably being much more keen on improving trade ties with the former colonial developing world than creating armies in nations that spark not one but two world wars for those like tony benn bring. it was always about democracy i think that the
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power to govern ourselves must remain with the british people co-operate worldwide trade worldwide join the united nations be members of the international community but cut the umbilical cord that links the lawmakers with the people and you destroy the stability of this country and well stability will be a subject in singapore tomorrow when leaders from russia the us and you're in china convene to discuss the future of the planet that's followed by and apec summit in papua new guinea again the usa russia and china will be present we'll get the perspective of a u.k. government advisor on china later in the show but before that to the midterms which british media arguably suggests demonstrate don't trump decline even though the g.o.p. won seats in the senate joining me now via skype from atlanta georgia is the green party twenty sixteen vice presidential candidate joe miller. thanks for coming back on record breaking turnout but still more people didn't vote than voted what is the point of us elections. it is to determine every two or four years what
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presses will be put in office and i hate to sound like that but in essence because of the very real limitations of u.s. democracy that make it very difficult for any political challenge to take place beyond the two parties then people are basically stuck with having to participate either supporting major ruling class party or another and so those of course isn't so third forces like the green party are basically marginalized and the consequence is that many people have concluded that the dems so-called democratic process in the u.s. is irrelevant and therefore they vote by not voting because the d.n.c. often says it's not their fault it's either the russians facebook or perhaps well believably widespread reporting of voter suppression you're of course in georgia.
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why is it that u.s. elections have these irregularities and accusations it doesn't happen in venezuela or iran well and it doesn't and what we have in the us is a eight a decision may primarily by the republicans to engage in voter suppression because they believe i think quite correctly that any expanded. our participation levels among the working class will be of those that were probably picked up by the democrats therefore they have elaborated some very sophisticated schemes to suppress the vote in georgia they have now taken us to a level of science in the sense that you had a individual who is running for the governor was also the secretary of state the office responsible for in essence organizing the elections and who has been accuse
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of being gauging and active botha suppression primarily of black voters he'd win at recuse themselves didn't that resigned his position and in fact have been primarily responsible for what we see as a systematic effort to undermine the black vote because we saw by wall street black lives a matter of do you think in the face of that kind of accusations people are just going to move politics to the street where they have to move the politics of the street to the streets that the idea that the electoral arena represents the end all of all political participation on li plays into the hands of the do wobbly so even have one believes that the electoral arena is important that has to be also connected to non electoral to go participation so having one's oppositions express. industries if you will. a true political organization is
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vitally important and that's really the message the minibus tried to advance the idea that all politics in the u.s. should be confined just to the electoral arena only advantages the it to operate that does not represent the interests of the majority and certainly net of working class employed people in the united states of america because now the headlines shifted to the defacto firing of your attorney general jeff sessions what what exactly does an attorney general do because i mean he he too and went on a my last year kept it open but he was attorney general when the u.s. was arguably illegally bombing syria militarily aiding the saudis in yemen who was jeff sessions with jeff sessions as part of the confederates a movement in the us he is clearly a white supremacist and a nationalist we believe who was brought into the shop administration to be the
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representative of the of the hire as a legal office in the land of the attorney general. she fell out of favor with with chop of course because he recused himself from the the the rushing a process ma'am as a consequence he was targeted by the trump and ministrations to be replaced as soon as the midterms were or are over but this is you know directly that office is tasked with the responsibility uphold of holding us law but we know that the enforcement of u.s. law has always been skewed toward the interests of the most powerful under for example eric holder there was no prosecution of bush administration arab officials who were involved in torture and there was no investigation of the bankers who crashed the u.s. economy. so you know that office theoretically supposed to be in force the law and
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protect the interests of the people but him. be reduced to a instrument of whatever party is in power at the moment well i'm sure sessions or deny he's a racist you might say he's a nationalist like trump proudly does say but now there's this caravan that trump was name checking all the time the un saying that the children show signs of mental anguish and distress would would donald trump really order u.s. troops to fire on children in the caravan of the mexican border well we have no idea what he might attempt to order we don't believe that troops when in fact fire on and on armed. protesters even though truong said that any protester that had a rock there that protester should be considered to have a rifle we don't believe that that's going to happen. but again it is
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representative of the kind of politics that we see in front and center in the u.s. because they the discourse has moved away from from issues that are maybe more relevant to many people out to these wedge issues like this this caravan so. this is part of the racial politics in the u.s. and is something that is going to be with those for the next few years and there's always a coverage a caravan in other nato nations in britain not very much about why people should want to leave their homes and try and enter the u.s. on the mexico border what about the united states much debate about u.s. foreign policy impact and as a catalyst for immigration. you know one of the one of the positive consequences of the of the caravan has been that within the u.s. people who are are attempting to try to understand why people are moving toward the
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u.s. border and as a consequence people are looking at the conditions in these various countries and that they're posing some serious questions and that allows us to provide answers so we can be splendid people that want to reason why you have such a large number of people who are leaving honduras and coming to the u.s. is as a consequence of u.s. policies in honduras they gave the green light under the obama administration to a anti-democratic crew in that country we can talk about what happened in el salvador and guatemala to talk about our economic policies in mexico that have destroyed the mexican economy you force people into into the cities and in and to migrate to what the north so the people begin to understand that the interests of working class people and poor people in the u.s. are very similar to the answer as
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a working class or people in central america so the sort of internationalist perspective is now developing more as a consequence of this caravan and the and the kinds of questions of people are raising so it's been a very i think positive an unintended consequence of this is a situation and just briefly there's been a lot of talk of identity politics optimism about the new congress do you think if not class politics do you think that muslims in congress for the first time going to make any differences or god's u.s. policy on israel well i i suspect not i do think that if if some of those individuals. take a very strong line that would be helpful. but you know ones as to your race i have nothing to do with one's political stance so
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is to be a very lonely a task if they are not able to bring more individuals within a democratic party in line with real support for a palestinian rights real support for putting a brake on u.s. policies in the so-called middle east that's responsible for the destruction of various nations in that part of the world. the task still is trying to move one of those parties to it is issue where they will be in opposition to the permanent wards end of both parties very difficult task but one of which they are going to have to take on in conjunction with those of us who are outside of the. well who understand that it's vitally important for us the people that put a brake on us policies that are responsible responsible for the death and
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destruction of millions of people around the world a job abroad to thank you all pleasure after the break and it's a morris singapore summit riaz the u.k. government's adviser on china with a britain can be part of any bold brics future it has again on from the headlines the tortured truth about the iraq invasion and the tory choice of ignited by the bait a bad taste told us of all going to have about to have going underground. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to. the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it still loyal i mean you know i live with pity you would put him in the new bill is that i mean you split needle the former ukrainian
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president recalls the events of twenty four. those who took part in this to do over five billion dollars to assist you in these and other ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. politicians to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to express. some want to. actually going to be pretty much like them before three of them can't be good. interested always in the water. they should. welcome back join me now because he's on the week's papers book us are full of the
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brill democrat member of parliament lembit opaque lembit what do think of the mid east the attorney general is gone should be better for russia not sure about some expired somehow gained votes because more people voted for it we have those particular areas where he campaigned so in that sense maybe he's an electoral genius but on the other hand the last house of representatives as we always say we haven't really got a clue what's going on it's too close to call and who really cares executive orders of the way forward and said that's representative democracy anyway let's go to this high joke which made the papers all this week but slight difference being the age of joseph yes. it says exclusive. ground felt our effigy burning group members conservative party links revealed the former speaker of the house bernard weatherall who's not with us anymore he was the chair of this group that the this bunch who who burnt an effigy of grenfell tower on bonfire night that's fifth of
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november in. exceptionally bad taste now this is caused a big for already and there seem to off you know where it is then the. oil stories in the royal behavior of kids have been just a little in the rehab of the jewels of a it's not that big yet the issue here is a bunch of idiots did this in the fast pace and then we discover they can so the conservative party are involved in this as well only by proxy but that makes it embarrassing suddenly it becomes a national story there's no doubt it's tasteless whether they should go to prison for it or not it's a debatable point in as a conservative nor they took down the pictures of the members involved in the sex they have and these guys now in hiding as well so whether it's legal or not i think this is a big no no don't do this kind of thing if you want to be respected and if you don't want to bring your own political party into disrepute i don't think many people would think of doing this sort of thing they did well if it's a tragedy it has gotten to a poet well professor benjamin zephaniah says in his own words i have
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absolutely no interest in this job i won't work for them they oppress me they upset me they are not worthy i write to connect with people i have never felt the need to go via the charts the state or the monarchy to reach my people no money freedom or death is talking about being laureate he's been tipped as a successor to the opposition and he's saying no way not interested don't want to do it don't like the empire so he's turning down a potentially influential position now the counter argument is why not find it from the inside why not take this position he's not even a year going for the poet laureate because vacant i can neither confirm nor deny ash i mean he said he wouldn't even take the order of the british empire which some . of the. he did turn an o.b.e. into nobody and that was quite a big statement too because it's quite an honor if you like that kind of thing he is distancing himself from anything colonial turned on and later than that let's go to the man who deals in malaysia. over here of us does day yes here's another irony
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afshin the times reports european army can protect us from us policy says mark drawn the short version is simple trump invades your well not exactly if trump or putin invade europe he thinks that having an independent european army gives us the independence to fight alone against the russian threat and potentially against whatever's coming from america today doesn't define that threat is the irony then he goes and marches parades for peace and armistice day with wait for it putin and trump that would be an interesting conversation maybe the e.u. will protect iran after all you leaders are opposing trump on the iran deal and their parent lee the european union is saying that they go ahead with all this i think niger furder minded us that this would be happening and it was always denied this go into our intelligence services our security state and on it goes the canary reports m i six knew that the key source justifying the invasion of iraq was tortured but used his intelligence anyway now this is a dark story turns out and it's not surprising to me but some of the evidence used
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to not surprising to you when you were a member of parliament who thought that there were torturing people for evidence i thought they were torturing people we knew this but it was just swept under the carpet it was an inconvenient truth british media not to report this kind of thing at the time of course i didn't know about this individual but the whole of the iraq war justification was riddled with an accuracy with untruths with misconceptions and deceptions turns out it also was riddled with torture we have no evidence that that continues to this well maybe not but this man was called the cook who mysteriously he died in a libyan prison apparently committed suicide question marks on that too we'll never really know the full story here but we do know that. his his confessions were maintained under torture and as they say you can get people to talk but you can't get the truth by causing the pain but over thank you. well after tomorrow's brief trump meeting in paris leaders from russia china india japan and the us will next week convene with the commonwealth nations in singapore
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to chart out a new world order of trade advising the u.k. government on china and britain's department of business energy and industrial strategies is professor usual and he joins me now thanks so much for going on the show everyone in the world arguably talks about the trump trade war will that be a focus of the ends meeting in singapore. not the director utopias a focus on however there will be some topics that the relevant because a. as a country so we are directly address me caused by this trade a war i have to ask you given that you've been advising the government here why is to raise or may maybe not lean folks at the meeting i mean maybe at the apec meeting in papua new guinea i'm not sure but surprise that britain hasn't got a strong delegation there because of the post breaks of life yeah actually u.k.
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on the china already have a very very close relationship and the u.k. has already a try its best to attend the most significant event i know you can even have or foreign secretary whose wife is a chinese over here if you watch say the state by david b b c. read the press when they're running a story china is burdening perhaps africa with debt bloomberg asking whether china is on the road to hell with its debt why do you think there are so many articles and of course you're also with the business school here in newcastle so what do you make of. the media coverage always and it's been doing this for ten years pointing to the fact that we shouldn't think china is that big a deal or any of anything china has a severe problems actually if you look at the fact that africa half china. china is only take
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a maybe very good one i told you one or two percent and actually it's the countries or other financial institutions out to really give a burden to african counter economy and they already control not whole war resources over this country because those countries could not afford to pay with or however if you look at china main purpose is to help the development of those country certainly and get their resources but then what do you make of the attacks on china i mean usually it's either human rights or it's the fact that we shouldn't really consider china as a strong economy even now ten years of the foreign policy magazine say or the economist magazine would say don't exaggerate china's importance i think this is because that china is quite to be honest compared to its already saving the largest
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economy. china is quite a modest compared to us china very friendly developing the strategy on the to help other us and it's not the two countries are the us and the china do not already use a military force or start wars ok so in this way maybe people think of china are not powerful that's because of china trying to be our friend but we now get even reports of china creating islands i know that china is surrounded by nato nations military but we also get now. images of china being the warlike country as well there are many. issues that to remain in to be solved under this is a scene to many other countries but a china trying to resolve all the usual so we as a surrounding countries for we but britain didn't. publicly back
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the belton road massive keynesian infrastructure system africa asia europe did you tell the british government they should publicly back it why did they not because of things like military. i think because a china adopt a different the political system compared to many western countries rather than to our among you for the country. and actually you u. k. is a quite a supportive you know last year. back on the road for. china. or to china it's time for you. at the moment a terrorist mysterious than the most important officer under her leadership i believe was out just like a terrorist to me said. you didn't hew to be in hong sed to
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a new level c. because russia and china and considering cross border payment systems has been a hundred billion dollars of trade in twenty. you don't think washington will be telling downing street even while you tell the business here it's really dangerous because they're cutting out the dollar from international trade well i think many are. apart from us maybe even support of these because they would like to see who powerful countries rights are only one powerful countries so just like a you many countries. as is the reason why they want to create your royal is because out there there was a counter is that because the. maybe it's better to give up using dollars yeah m.f. of course is backed by washington money and has quite
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a track record enough. i think maybe you were alluding to that institution with respect to africa. perhaps risking an international financial crisis maybe more because of the debt do you think we should. statements made by some nato nations when they criticize i think for china it's have a system. economy. and maybe. you can say there is a population during the process i think a wish for the chinese government more support to rise up more criticism because even for us government are not. given us create us so much trouble for the work. thank you thank you. for the show we'll be back on monday with revelations of another p.r. spinning for saudi arabia in twenty four hours over the hundred year anniversary of
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a hip hop artist and i just know he will explain how world war one paved the way for a century of u.k. u.s. conflict until then you can judge by social media the forty nine years to the day that the bulk of major initial claims about syrian use of chemical weapons seymour hersh broke the story of the me massacre. you know world big partners. and conspiracy. to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell. me to be smart we need to stop so. the door on the bath and shouting past each other it's
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time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. here in kiev in recent days my done independence square has turned into a full scale war zone. full clancy's in ukraine's capital kiev.

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