time after dancer we're going on the ground ahead of tomorrow's apec forum bringing together russian american and chinese leaders in papua new guinea prone to catastrophic impact from climate change according to the asian development bank coming over the show the end of tourism is plans we investigate whether it is legal to precipitate food and medicine stockpiling with britain's former attorney general bill morris and we asked renowned palestinian journalist abdel bari atwan about what's next up to this week's serious military confrontations in israel by britain and others killed or wounded thirteen thousand in gaza in the twenty fourteen plus i have left by scruffy looking call that right back at home this week so it's just me and action going through all the top stories or you can call this a more coming up in today's going underground but first what is it with nato nations in journalism these days now it is up to saudi arabia to show the world

that all these stories that we're reading about in the press that are causing such concern. implications for freedom of expression freedom of press for the direction saudi itself is taking as a country before get what direction the u.k. and saudi arabia is taking when it comes to a free press let alone another saudi journalist reportedly tortured and killed since because shoji turkey be enough to lizzie's i'll just what about the usa and time warner c.n.n. suing trump over its white house correspondent i'm going to speak in defense of jim acosta this morning because i don't think there's anybody on this set who hasn't gotten too personal during this presidency and i don't think that's just our fault i think this has been one of the most disturbing moments in history except that none of the same outrage of nato nations accompanied monday night's bombing of a t.v. station in palestine in the latest error in its israeli warplanes target. a t.v.

station belonging to the palestinian resistance movement hamas at least three palestinians have so far been killed during the israeli air strikes aerial bombardment of a t.v. channel al aqsa t.v. by an air force by the u.k. is not unprecedented though you're looking at the radio television serbia headquarters in belgrade yugoslavia bombed today by nato forces the attack not the state run station off the air killing ten people and wounding nineteen with twenty believed to still be buried in the debris according to an associated press report the international call the bombing of the t.v. station a war crime all the terrorism bill clinton and tony blair arguably more guilty of crimes against journalism. we'll have more in the weeks atrocities in u.k. armed israeli and saudi military action later in the show first after the british government's de-facto defeat in the face of german corbin's onslaught of a brics it legal advice i'm joined by former u.k. attorney general lord morris is the prime minister approaches a so-called end game morris how is the largest democratic exercise in u.k.

history ended up with jeremy cool be in order to be next prime minister demanding the publication of bricks and legal advice because the. other new nneka matter. on their boat there of significance going to war is a very great significance for any country this is equally if not much greater on these very aware of occasions their office is advice how's it been published neither the contents nor the existence of an office as advice is evidently the only exception has been in the war it was refused in. it. the existence of the device was conceded in february one thousand nine hundred by both douglas heard the fighting secretary nick. the attorney general but not the

contents maastricht being the precursor to a closer european integration the previous treaty which was of the utmost importance and indeed the foundation of where we are today on this occasion on the . occasion the cabinet secretary decided it was their new nique occasion standing on the job and therefore the then to turn. his advice should be published and i've come down very very slowly very lucky over night that this is the major occasion my suspicion is that he's never with the formal opinion that you don't you voice does concert. my guess is that he has never put anything formally on paper before the cabinet or before the prime minister because he is not a public law expert he will be advised by treasury counsel who specialize in these

fields. if you will the attorney general now that because of tourism is political problems suddenly finding a pen and pencil and talking to treasury legal advice. might and consult with specialists to do better than i am i'm a criminal lawyer if i decide to murder one is by far i was the man to come to a because i knew all about it. but i'm not a public law expert and that's why the attorney is not acting on you though is. a lawyer is got a lot advocate or the equivalent in scotland and they were joint opinions on the maastricht treaty of the lord advocate and there. and you've got to tell the whole of experts is another matter because there's another element. to this day so much but the cabinet minister leading to in the past twenty four hours even raised the prospect of independent legal advice being a factor. aside from the legal advice of the government what does that even mean

that's nonsense because the advice of the government constitutionally is her majesty and emphasize that her majesty's law offices mugger's as attorney general and he is the advisor the principal adviser to the government. get an independent report to support. irish backstops or perhaps the whole country. which was raised by a remain as is the kind of. legal advice that not only leads to perhaps the destruction of the remember to state aid restrictions it affects agriculture industry all the different elements of the brics agreement. they've been kicking the can down the road and tried to get on with what they think

are the major matters. result. not been resolved and they're all part of the huge area. issues i think we can put. aside and try to deal with what appears to be the principal problem is what to do with northern ireland and northern ireland as an important part country divided. the border in the middle of the. very important. point with the dog. and it's being and is the debate of course but on the state aid issue part of the reason the british focus the call been. leadership of the labor. or contained in legal advice about renationalisation of the railways electricity water

. without the agreement when i was. forthcoming to a brigade and. any aid that was given by her majesty's government or there was nothing else at that stage had to be. i need the same way if we are no longer part of europe there will be no stations is this way. write things down then i mean obviously you said this would be advised treasury official now they might have to write it down because the government has resumes been forced to they why didn't you write everything down on pieces of paper he had devised over the cost of a war. very difficult very tenuous so i took the opportunity of putting everything on on those account the correspondence it is now

public knowledge the documents can be made available if necessary but you can see why jeffrey wouldn't want to do with. it because. it could be tied to it and. i am surprised. that he doesn't when i'm george resume would completely deny that there's any such lacking legal knowledge around the cabinet table she lost his appeal court decision about the ability to unilaterally revoke article fifty completely with the. time left if possible what's the mood in the lords because no eight hundred to one thousand statutory instruments needed to know where the vote was in two hundred sixteen eight hundred one thousand sets three incidents and needed for breaks it to bring the law in nine with the law and you will be part of that process yes. i've just been reading the agriculture.

which has been severely criticized by a block report from the select committee on delegated legislation in the lords which examine has all these delegated pollers bill and they've come to a huge amount of criticism of the bill which. dozens if not hundreds of stature to edge of us that there is no hope for tall either of examining the population or even dealing with the numbers of them in the time available i mean it's not just that there are only fourteen of two hundred thirty six e.u. international treaties of being ruled over so the britain has these with other countries when is that heading your way as well. i would be. legislative process. that means the two houses of parliament be done in mt to be acted for years before anyone thinks this is ok hm law we're talking about

were you surprised then that the transport secretary chris grayling said he was exploring the idea of chartering ships to guarantee food supplies and meds and supplies to this country because of the lack of all these types of agreements if there is no deal. as i stand it may be our. president did and situation. with the idea of. the county of becoming a car park. i don't find it very appealing nobody else and i hope we do not come to that situation the particle problems of getting medicine. i'm told is one of the problems i mean we have an immediate sort of these problems your feeling then is that it's not going to be able to happen by the end of march i think. has.

to decay and the time scale which seems to me somebody who is out of the major decision making of any decision making that is an impossible task over to the general thank you. after the break as the taliban calls for a complete u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan after peace talks in moscow we speak to an award winning journalist who interviewed some a good lot of fans not scruffy corbin right max insight just an action going through this week's top stories on broken. pelvis and more coming up in part two of going underground. join me every thursday on the alex simon sure and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. it's hard to imagine decades after the war a nazi doctor was still active rich in the nineteen seventies cretonne had as the

chair of its board a man convicted of mass murder and slavery. a german company developed. a drug that was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy. it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything. you know she said she's just. mimics a little mind victims have to this day received no compensation they never. for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge. welcome back after monday's destruction of a t.v. channel by the israeli government by the british government and others i'm joined by the editor in chief of reilly i'm sorry out one thanks so much for coming on

surprises not more outrage that israel destroyed a t.v. station when innit. so if this is normal nobody paid attention at all iraq t.v. station is bombed people were killed journalists are completely you know displaced so there we don't hear any any criticism or any sympathy in other parts of the world this is the proper the why do that as there is a there is a really bombed element are before in south lebanon the american bombed. in baghdad so if if you are not with them you know it means they can't do anything nobody will you know there is a finger look at the bomb. of hamas it is a television station hamas was elected and a. transparent. election and in palestine what happened no nobody i didn't see a single piece in the newspapers talking about a mass station was bought and they are saying that we ask that stuff of our

decision to leave but in two thousand and four they killed more than two thousand people they did not ask anybody to leave before they bombed them otherwise we wouldn't have this high number of casualties to take place and what was behind their brigade commander no baracoa was being killed what happened you know they sent as special forces to gaza and order maybe to kidnap one of hummus leader or kill him in order to bargain because there are two hostages israeli hostages what hamas maybe they were looking for the place of those hostages and in order to release them so maybe there are looking for that it means of other two is there is soldiers killed and how mask it as a hostage or something like that because change them for hamas prisoners in later stages we don't know but it was very fishy why why hamas is talking about

a truce. a sort of permanent. peace for a ceasefire why the israeli decided to provoke the troops or to revoke the truce to send special forces to provoke hamas they sent about four hundred this is actually a big question we don't know is there some rift among the israeli cabinet that netanyahu was in paris and that time. his defense minister for example liberman did he decide to spoil the water for we know that election is coming to israel so we don't know but there is there actually committed a very very grave mistake by doing this and trying to actually. put an end to the truce which was actually and was extremely successful and this feat well as usual we haven't got the israeli ambassador to london here we go ask for him let's just turn to yemen now jeremy hunt the british foreign secretary was in saudi

saying you want to get to the bottom of the cause shoji killing even as edward snowden was reeling that he was claiming israeli spy ware was used because shoji assassination. or do the hunt should be in saudi arabia to talk about. whiles apparently there was an ongoing operation in yemen colonel tokyo mulkey with the saudis military said there was ongoing would you make a jeremy hunt being in i'm surprised jim hunt he did not actually. any blame to the saudi government he said you know we managed or we succeeded actually to reach some sort of deal with the saudi government the injured people to be treated outside the yemen that we were going to hootie community people going to will be england well i wish so many were so you know because simply why he was silent this war is going on for at least a year or three years and

a half what about those people who were in. more than thirty thousand yemenis were injured most of them children and civilians why british government was silent about this why now there realize that there are injured people who need treatment outside given they cannot be treated even inside yemen because most of the hospital were bombed by the saudi alliance this is the problem now this thing don't we should actually advocate for stopping this war completely and to the with the rule of the saudi troops and troops from yemen and let the yemenis sort are themselves as you say the the troubled ministration is withdrawing all refueling me there refueling for the slaves this is nothing to be honest they should stop a munition should stop besides they stop selling fifteen sixteen to their saudi and to the united arab emirates for using these warplanes to bomb civilian

targets inside yemen briefly to afghanistan i should say though that britain has license five billion in weapons to saudi arabia since the every war began what do you make of the fact that. trump is no saying there should be no afghanistan presidential elections next year and the taliban russia china india pakistan all talking in moscow and the taliban saying right it's time for the u.s. to get out of afghanistan it is an action breakthrough for russia actually for the last seventeen years it used to be american territory that american promise their grammy. ability jobs prosperity after seventeen years look author situation of their taliban control about fourteen district and they are active in more than seventy five percent of the afghan it directories and the american actually come out decide what to do with afghanistan

there are that they're here maybe the question will give them you know. we don't know yet ok but just finally why did why did fifteen thousand british servicemen and women die or wounded since during those seventeen years should we have ever been there where the american goes the british full of them there is no independent policy is there is no independent strategy there is no independent government they cannot say no to united states this is the problem so. how many people belong. you know of a thousand people are going to stand there are still involved what they are going to achieve in afghanistan this is the biggest question and daughter that is going to answer this ok taliban there are afghani people you know we cannot say to taliban leave afghanistan do you have to come to britain. you know. asylum status one example this is this is the biggest problem i think britain is

wrong the shouldn't follow the steps of the american and now they are following the steps of. imposing sanctions against iran trying to sit up and you need to use a new tool in the middle east in order to fight iran why should they fight it out. and fight it in britain for example is. the united states it is that i would like actually better to mobilize the american and. british and other european in order to fight their war against a symbol of that i would think. well joining me now to go through some of the week's top stories a journalist and writer the u.k.'s leading independent news tried the canary steve coppell steve away from television stations being bombed by british isles countries let's go straight to the tweet about the german invasion of france indeed so this is mr donald j.

trump tweeted a man you know my grandson just building its own army to protect durable goods so you are stronger and. but it was germany and while it was one and two how did that work out for france they were starting to learn german in paris before the us came along pay for it all not good choice well made well indeed this is trouble because matt brown came out and suggested about a year. trumps up in arms about this i mean his timing with this awful tweet couldn't be less appropriate really because it just might be appropriate let's go straight to this absurd story of a day being investigated. just claims once again so un envoy warns poverty in britain is a political choice this is the un special rapporteur fearing in the baltic yes exactly i don't know what his business is. special up to a phillips who specializes in extreme poverty he's got an investigating u.k. doing a tour and a fact finding mission this particular story has to jailbreak an essex which has been the subject of many programmes on the television about poverty about benefit

claimants about austerity he's also been hearing evidence about food banks quite forthright actually has come out and said that for the food bank system in this country it shouldn't be an replace of the state operating in protecting people who are at the bottom rungs of society but of course there's an added element to this which the mainstream press of generally missed this is the fifth the fifth reports by un subcommittee in thirty months in the u.k. we have you in committee on economic social and cultural rights report in june twenty sixth at another u.n. human rights commission reports and we've had two reports by the un committee into the rights of persons with disabilities one of which said the u.k. government have committed grave and systematic violations of people's human rights resulting in a human catastrophe this is a concept missing this is now the fifth time the un would have investigated the u.k. successive u.k. governments have gone under with owsley this man has begun as. bangladesh can bring britain to the poorest countries on earth it is absurd if you're

a banker you remember the conserved apology you can't deny that there's an issue in this country i mean as well. we have to look at our property rights we said sixty percent of the median average income in this country even e.u. came out and said that's not good enough we should be fifty percent so we're even underscoring poverty as it is is probably a lot worse than actually as well in fairness two hundred five billion pounds is needed for elsewhere let's go to italy see we're yes so this is a bad call and do watch over submarine contract this essentially the story that one of the trident submarine is has been sitting in dock for three years at a cost of two hundred million but nothing to do with poverty in this country at all the beleaguered tried and submarine system in this country costs vary between four to six billion two hundred billion and this news has essentially been throwing money away apparently in the governments aren't too happy with it was nerve. time for us but they should take all be in a city willing to press the button even after all this money is being spent one federation america has beleaguered forty eight warheads on the most go area could

kill two and a half million a million outside moscow three million dying within two weeks of radiation exposure including seven hundred fifty thousand children with several million injured so a powerful system to protect our safety yes but is beleaguered because firstly the costs keep going up and up secondly we all know there's a nuclear war would be a no win situation and thirdly i mean the relationships between the u.k. russia side up and down the roads leds banquet last night saying oh well russia if you tell us that you've been naughty and admit your faults and we'll be friends with the guy let's go to your bees in the canary yes so public support for fracking has officially nosedives so this is the department for business energy and industrial strategy does a quarterly survey of the public on their views on energy and u.k. and how we should supply and how the government deals with it and fracking is officially nosediving in december twenty thirty it's now plummeted from that point twelve percent support for fracking has dropped by it's now fifteen percent second lowest point so far since the us has been doing the survey meanwhile opposition is

growing ten percent since december twenty third. now it's thirty one percent of course this survey was done in september of this year this is before the earthquake started that press the new rose minor earthquake struck the mind of. the strong storms of magnitude one point one this is of course a quarter of a solid impression you're right in lancashire one point one magnitude earthquake was felt in blackball now you say the mind of the scientific evidence doesn't back this up what academics in the u.s. and academics i've been saying is these minor earthquakes quite often pretty loose more major instance because essentially the more you shake the rock that we stand on the more undermine the rock is going to become and the more likely the larger earthquakes are to follow will build organizations is about five million people will die between twenty thirty and twenty fifty excess deaths using the plays of fracking that's been shown they're going to increase greenhouse gas emissions so they're not doing anything about climate change by introducing fracking i think it's more looking for energy independence you say with the budget just

a few weeks ago they gave tax breaks to oil and gas companies on the recently the government signed off on more exploration of north sea oil fields i think with the situation in the middle east when so volatile with regards to oil look at sanctions on iran and saudi arabia directions that i think britain is mirroring the u.s. in looking for energy independence well here it home numbers of murders into any eighteen leche twenty seven teens a total figure on monday i think this is about that more than stopping journalists i think so yeah police are in talks to scrap the reasonable grounds condition for stopping this is the old going control stop and search obviously if you read the press should be believed there's a knife crime epidemic in london and in the south of control and so the police are looking to scrap the reasonable grounds which basically means that they have a suspicion that someone is carrying you want to be stopped and reasonably well apparently so look stop and search is always been controversy i was reading this morning that in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine six times more likely young black men were to be to be stopped by police the figure is now nine times more

likely that black men will be stopped there's been constant criticism of this. doesn't actually work but we're now seeing this kneejerk reaction to frenzy around the epidemic in the capital there is actually if you look at the figures as well historically not crime to tony blair in two thousand and six two thousand. and two thousand and six two thousand and seven there were over five thousand hospital admissions for shop instrument injuries well known as i live in a community that's been. in the past hundred yards from. the implications of what's happening with narconon london but also why it's happening and the things we see these pics. of. like this there's not a large reason why it's happening so they it's capitalism capitalism breeds inequality and that's what is the root of all this angry young people who feel that the system has left them behind that stop and searching ultimately is going to solve that problem a system reboot of how we govern ourselves is what's needed. thank you and that's

it for the show join us for going on the ground exclusive t.v. interview with the new palestinian ambassador. trophy expansion into the delegation to. get in touch on social media with. david some of this is the season was founded in the mountains of mexico. a warmonger and the democrats are easily conned into spending trillions of dollars and the defense industry and why they control the house defense stocks went up the mean is there any clearer indication that the democrats are the party of war. as the media become unhinged in their of trump the president's most ardent critics

in the media hang on his every word news cycle after news cycle all about. and much of this coverage is negative as journalism lost it for journalists now nothing more than ideological. donald trump again lashes out at his french counterpart and on your mouth drawn who wants greater independence from washington. yesterday combined with the long term deal with the man. to terrorism israeli defense minister resigns just a day after palestine militant groups announced. in an attempt to stop an escalating conflict that's claimed a.p. lives in twenty four hours. cancer patients in around find it increasingly difficult to get life saving medications washington's green post sanctions beginning to bite.