me where the great ship was lost on june seventeenth one thousand forty. captain shopping commander flown past received an order from the. it told them to load as many men as possible for the guard to the limits laid down by modern time law. by fear quote after the more than six thousand people exhausted soul just confused refugees were crowded on to the ship more than three times as established capacity limit at that point captain sharp made a fateful decision to stay at the and not to make a dash for poor he was understandably frightened of a destroyer escort his ship would be easy prey to your books in the english channel . and this week's show we feature the quest for the membranes under the voices of the survivors and the relatives of those who perish seek to explain why so many have battled against officialdom to have the sacrifice of their loved ones probably recognized by history alex takes up our story i say to kill woman out

spirits increase in london and never to believe as each month passes that a few of the like last year survivors a life to give witness to what actually happened on that fateful day of june the seventeenth one thousand for even since we started filming we have lost ninety seven year old reds brought in a stalwart of lancaster commemorations over the years and therefore today i'm privileged to be here not to interview like last year survivor royal engineer basically one hundred one years younger. than me who lost family. i remember about mostly well yeah i was a little less i must take you back to when you were on borderline cast the bombs went down the funnel the ship was packed to the gunnels with tindall well the ole

soldiers saw a world the civilians refugees other people then nearly all. soldiers and nurses and one term for a year there was a hole in repay poland and i. some of my children with them but i think the key thing to survival was was it just your lot was a fight you were the straw swell of was to your advantage of course but it was where but some people stay some people would jump because they didn't know what to do on the ship shank and are so i'll sure was about to model why i shower for our baggage jump in the spring why how could swim quite a bit past one provide twenty minutes then let's row now is the cove where i

come around and he said in striped pull me i know how charedi. and he stood on the bowery well and he strong a rubber raft i know well know why so our climb into the rubber roll down from satan and nobody's barge covered in or will help comes when men are about shiksha abhiyan god i'm with mayor what can the hollows was hanging on the saw its and our god crunch in my legs and now i had to stand up our and our stored up. no i push me in the say i was a bit much you were not are fast so you go well i don't like them because they thought you were going to be stabilized at a rough day as well so i always start to swim towards a hill or cock shout for

a while and there was a robbery about come from show and he's coming towards my help and he comes saying the cause he calls back to me in age and he comes out and when he called it cross our shire and i are oh we're over here and you know ronnie same me and he come over he said can you route oh said yeah and then are now were coming this rope roller nivel corvette. i took a solemn board and i washed oh all the old all of us and then the other big lawn with. their own say and this cove that we was on he put us all on to the wrong city you have this. and.

then we set sail for england we want up implemented. and. we were always slightly from other people because so i didn't want to talk about what happened you would of all those years not to talk about how like the past i had gotten does that is true when i went home and talked to my parents about. one of the. urgently thing about our. because i were forbidden to put it and a person's piper the americans. i know. with all this gatehouse. everybody knew the for years afterwards if you said to some the i was on the lancastrian very few people would know you were now now. with us if you'd said you were on the titanic or

on the loose our hearing everybody would know when the thing was. i mind and. it was more people lost their lives. on the line cash. and yeah we'll talk big ships can i talk about your medal so that's the story of medals here well good because you said right through the what i can see the medal you have is saying none of them has to do with the long catch all of a is was what happened to me after that would you like to have a medal signifies to learn our african options that somebody told me i had ordinance survivors in scotland not generally given a matter though everybody was given one as your flight well it just so happens.

that i have one with me and with great pleasure oh i see you have spirit and the spirit with has very low engineers my privilege to present a legend that is really nice however i certainly appreciate. your service and now on very pleased time i'm here. to talk to a paper bag and talking so well our lovely home shall please to spread. now i must have got one more thing that so i lancaster meadow but this is the quick . the quake's a scottish like you put whiskey in the quick. only scotch was a question a means a loving cup so the whiskey. when you possible know your friends only your

best friends asked her enormous home free. own lies that are just you today ever come. well hers and you're still here and a good amount of whiskey and you'll be here for the whole. announcement you were not bring good. the lack of recognition and acknowledgment in the subsequent years has led to many survivors and relatives of victims feeling the sacrifice was worth less than the big heroic events of the second world war jacqueline tyler is one of a handful of people who was on the lancastrian and is still with us he was just a little girl of two and a half when the ship was attacked her parents clifford and of either tilly or were working in belton when they decided to evacuate and i'm delighted to be joined by jacqueline to the welcome back into the show tell me a bit about what you can remember here with each of two and a half what you've been told about what happened and how your parents managed to

get themselves and you off the ship when it was torpedoed they had to move so they picked me up and apparently i kept saying baby here baby here so i was very lucky my parents were strong swimmers and i think they were in the water for quite a few hours. and people gentleman they gave that a piece of wood to put me on so that my father could you know get better on that and then when we got picked up on the highland. i was unconscious by then so i'm told. so they put me in hot water cold water hot water cold water. until i came around and luckily i kind of learned and here i am who did and of course you brought with you jack lena this is a sweater this is what you were wrapped in when you were brought right rise to how humans sweater that you looked after. me and. and and of

course at the same time a something else you brought with us today very beautiful is your mum's warm. she told me it stopped at ten past four or not the seventeenth of june one thousand forty and you've got it you've kept it and just as it was yes and you got to safety because we have a lovely picture of you your family this is this is the day after when you are your back i'm back in plymouth yes yes and here you shoot jacqueline just little two and a half with your with your dad and you're mom there to a family gathering must've been quite some some movie for everybody but i think they were all on the lancaster those those survivors yes how important jacqueline has that scene that network been of people the connections that unique in talking about what happened then because i knew some people find it quite difficult to talk about those abeyance every year we went to the reunions in front of us. which the french were very very kind. they had

a lancastrian. award called it stone. and so we went every year but of course she received a medal in the in the ceremony this girl right how was that before you and i had about what it was most unusual because i wasn't expecting. must have been especially in of course we have our a lovely picture of you at the age of i think about twelve where you were a leader and a tough in london we're very grateful and privileged jacqueline you've been able to . in athena's are a token of our appreciation and i don't ever get to do this because it's not by any more knit just as you deceive a major from alex i'd like to present you with alex salmond we kissed scalloped for loving cup it's you can put in it whiskey we prefer of a scotch whisky of course we would prefer but i think you i think you may have something else in my arm. we'd love for you to anthony's from us to you thank you

so much for joining us thank you thank you thank you and so we have heard from the living testimony of lancaster survivors how strange it was to survive one of the greatest naval disasters in history before anyone really knowing what transpired and were for any semblance of official recognition of the scale and enormity of what had taken place i'm joined by author brian cropp who explained what was going on brian welcome to the excellent show in. your book the forgotten side just to. the story of the sinking one of the thought of that of a co so for what happened to the lying castillo but digital the forgotten tighter to war because it was forgotten there was to it or tried it is afterwards what in one nine hundred forty two look onya which indeed at the same captain captain sharp captain sharp at that time we decided to go down with the ship. and the catalyst now. in one thousand nine hundred four and these three ships nobody

is mention them afterwards i mean it's very difficult to find any information on it or was it just exegesis the water we know from churchill's orders code these was big enough disasters bad news for the day that's why you kept it quiet could you understand that logic or well it was on the back of dung kirk which is the time we only expected to get twenty four thousand people back. and in fact you go or third of a million and some people bring in the course of your research obviously you've met many many lancastrian families both the families of those who died and the families of of those who survived how much does it mean to the people you've met to have a knowledge mint of the extent of the loved one such a massive in every case you. lose the letters from survivors

just thanking me for bringing their story to light because they're just forgotten we're going to ball for your work for what it's meant to and for appearing on the other examined show i'm delighted to present you with the quick. loving cup list you don't the drill whisky of liquid and then run your close friends thank you very much thank you so probably scotch mind. last week we saw how this confidential disaster is commemorated with such sensitivity by the people of britain after the break we'll hear how the main cast of families of victims and survivors finally achieve some recognition that a whole perhaps appropriately in scotland for the ship was launched as a mess to the media in one thousand twenty two c.n.n. .

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we're here with a dry gear. boy you're going to get really. do not go away you will not die quite. real the hard work we do is the true. welcome back assoon as the war was over a link cassis a five association this forms to commemorate the loss it ran for some twenty five years in one thousand eighty one the cuts us were taken up by the it's empty lancastrian association which until two thousand and ten ran and i knew memorial service saying. kathe increase church in london and also organize visits to sun as there it was to this church that in two thousand and five the belle of the land castillo with the ships launching the tide of india was just turned after being

left with a note at lowball cemetery and still remains at st catherine creek to the city. and all of this volunteer effort what was lacking was any official recognition of the enormity of the disaster we asked the ministry of defense if they'd be willing to be interviewed or send a statement we're yet to hear from them here's a clip though from george osborne standing in for prime minister david cameron a prime minister's questions in trying to steal on the seventy fifth anniversary of the sinking of the lancaster if i might say mr speaker at the end of the session since he raises a military matter it is the seventy fifth anniversary of the sinking of the h. and t. . the largest loss of british lives at sea in the history of this maritime nation some of the survivors are still alive today and many of course mourn who those who died it was kept secret at the time for reasons of wartime secrecy and i

think it's appropriate today in this house of commons to remember all those who died those who survived and the families who still mourn them. however to this day and please press for a more comprehensive government acknowledgement to do with a special poppy pen from poppy scotland with a puppy in the ship's bell marking the last of him why only it would at least two hundred one men perished of the two hundred eighty three on board of stornoway at the end of world war one it was recently marked in scotland as a church however as we approached remembrance sunday one of the leader of the house going over a statement from the minister of defense on the loss of the hitch mt lancaster on the seventeenth of june nine hundred forty of sunday's inadvertently in world war two with an estimated four thousand dead it's the largest single ship lost in you came out of ten history and it is yet never been properly recognised for relatives to remember their loved ones of the homes look to help this historic and justice.

well i completely sympathize with the on a potential to raise they say she'll here in the house we do have a full debate. on tuesday on the said to be on the system that would be an appropriate time to be able to raise ships lost during the second world war also i'm sure that would be in order the honorable gentleman raises questions directly then it's peter in two thousand and eight the relatively newly formed lancaster association of scotland achieved a decisive breakthrough they were successful in persuading the scottish government under certain alex salmond to provide the official recognition which had been sought by so many for so long the scottish parliament swept aside generations of indifference and stuck to lancaster medal for the families the victims and survivors some three hundred seventy five have been struck over the years before the claims of formally closed in twenty to thirty. one of those attending the major said of many was robert crick shank in the last few days speaking outside the

scottish parliament he lived the experience of that memorable day for then cast your family's. welcome to examine show. you have gone alexander crew shanks was lost in the lancastrian and i'm interested in a boy growing up the family speak about that all explain how you know your grandfather died. father released talk of the tragedy for obvious reasons say my mother gave me snippets and for me a not so very a go information on the i tried to the incident. grew up two doors down from each other me of course but. my father was the navy in the water i wasn't we have a tall. your grandfather been among those lost and. i wasn't even aware of the one cost as an instant because it almost been written history surely that comes to you but you find that strange i'd never have the wind cast if it was such

a huge disaster yes. for everybody would know about that even to this is the thought more. of the news about who's to say this quite sure but i mean does it have to be recognised that the highest level did your mother over discuss what happened we have gone to how would the family been told at that time that they did zuma they got a letter from the war office saying you're manju relative your loved one has been lost and was that it was it was just a later see him missing in action so he knew all that information. is a very stark brutally what the late on my opinion of course there was as we know no one effect of the news blackout. what many of us can understand this that was existence is a war type fighting for its life except. i can almost understand why that decision was taken was more difficult to understand this why did that continue after the

walk why when the danger was passed why wasn't it openly discussed then never feel as a family you know we would deserve to know what happened to our loved one very much saw a cut on the start this the i understand there's still some way of being withheld from the public i think we deserve to know think we've got a right to know what happened to avail of as i understand i'll xander but it was never a couple. of days the family were led to believe us well it was it was never a jump to over it was a witness saw him jumping overboard a but i was the last of this you know from the javelin streatch the water continuously so i don't know if you've a short in the water or if you try but i could say that the graves and britney are lovingly kept on many many of them and jude in the seventeenth one thousand four. known to go out and i would imagine that alexander the among those who were lost

then good to know the tate's of the settlement of that cut he had in the scots bottom and they said years ago yes i did the family feel that all these years to finally get that medal signifying that the loss of your grandfather were delayed to a it was great to get recognition for the sacrifice because a. with a difficult financial difficulties my dad took to come down from the highlands and what in the little ones not moved along with school and put him in a saw it was it was really appreciated at school. and the metal to this day yes of three and along with you of late at all or with a serious price position in my house. today but what i can give us there the quake struck. and you know the drill nor you know the joy from work so

whiskey in the quick american family and friends tell you for a whole thought and i. thank you so much much appreciate it. i just asked you which touched the lives of so many inevitably leads to many coincidences as alex was filming outside the scottish parliament with robert crick shank he was approached by face a visitor from sun is there he wanted to add his condolences there is no doubt that history's hidden disaster touched the hearts of the people of britain. you've come to visit the scottish parliament where with your wife and you from some azad implicitly tell me what does the loss of that lancastrian mean to the people of. vietnam as ill the people. have been living in a place where martin sixty years. do not has that he was a disaster. from the deal it has been for them you know with the big memories that he deliberately moving to see that as you did during the war because you know the

people. under the trees. it was very difficult to say this is the result of. your own custom yeah so what is it did they do cool is. going to pull off. the show thank you very much. the two thousand and eight may just sediment the scottish parliament was followed up in two thousand and eleven by memorial built on the grounds of the golden jubilee hospital in clydebank on the very site where they were just an office one street off the quite shipyards where the lancaster was launched in one thousand nine hundred twenty two as a time. as ever in this story the funds for that memorial were raised by the people by the lake cast association of scotland it was here on the banks of that of a clyde story has its beginning and it said. this is where the state was born as a haney in one nine hundred twenty two the name was changed to

a few years later because american guests find it difficult to pronounce and just a few yards from here is where they're like custer families finally achieved the hops desired and twenty eleven by having a memorial built to those who died. the stuff not to contrast the open hearted remembrance of the people brought me before they get a lodging at the mission of the authorities and these are your words and by denying remember the rest two things. if you don't remember war were followed sacrifice of casualties then you run the risk of repeating the mistake and secondly will fight the members families cannot have phenolic for the loss of the loved ones. the white cast their families were denied both. and in two thousand and eleven when the requiem for the link last year finally arrived it was a people's requiem. perhaps robert louis stevenson said it best.

under the white and starry sky dig the grave and let me live and i did i live and gladly die and i leave a dog before will. this be the best you grieve for me he lies with you long to be. home as a sailor. from the sea. and the hunter home from the film. it's

hard to imagine the decades after the war a nazi don't it was still active rich in the nineteen seventies printed tell had as the cheer of its poet a man convicted of mass murder and slavery at ash was a german company grown until it developed to the demise of the drug it was promoted as completely safe even during pregnancy it turned out to have terrible side effects what has happened to my baby anything. you know she said is just. minutes a little mind victims have to this day received no compensation they never apologized for the suffering that not only want the money i want the revenge.

nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that prevalent in the spot the wish to fall for if you look at any interrogation out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat why a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out. and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials she said if i were. sad and i stayed there i would be home by that time the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know that they can engage in misconduct that has nothing to do with solving their crime.

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