well remember about mike's they were yeah i was a little less and less to take you back to when you were on borderline cast the bombs went down the funnel the ship was packed to the gunnels with tindall well the all soldiers so well the civilians refugees other people very nearly all. soldiers and nurses and one term for a year there was a hole in repay poland and i. some of my children with them but i think the key thing to survival was was it just your lot was a fight you were a strong swimmer was to your advantage of course but it was but some people stay some people would jump because they didn't know what to do on the ship sank and are so i'll sure was about to model why shower for all brackets jump

in the spring why how cause when quite a bit past one provider twenty minutes then this row now is the cove where i come around and he said in striped pull me i know how sharp edged. and he stood on the bowery well an issue from. a rubber raft i know well know why so are climb into the rubber roll and harm satan and can only brush covered in or will they all come when men are about shiksha abhiyan god i'm with mayor or can he hollers was hanging on the saw its hand are got cramp in my legs and now i ought to stand up are and are stored up. no i push me in the say

i was a bit much you were not are fast so you go well i don't like them because they thought you were going to be stabilized at a rough day as well so i always start to swim towards a hill or cock shout for why and there was a rally about come from show and he's coming towards i hope he comes same the cars he calls back to me in age and he comes out and when he called it cross our shire and i are oh we're over here and you know ronnie saying me and he come over he said can you route all said yeah and then are now way come this rope wellnigh corvette. i took a solemn board and i washed whole all the old off of us and then the other vehicle on. their own say and this cove that we was on

he put us all on to the wrong say he hasn't. and. then we set sail for england we want up implemented and we were always slightly from other people because satan wants to talk about what happened you would of all those years not to talk about how like the past i had god does that is true when i went home and talked to my parents about. one of the. herbs or anything about it because i were forbidden to put it and a practice pipe or the americans. i know.

with all this gatehouse. everybody knew the for years afterwards if you said to some the i was on the lancastrian you very few people would know they were now now. with us if you'd said you were on the titanic or on the loose our everybody would know when the thing was. i mind. it was small people lost their lives. on the line cash. and yeah we'll talk big ships can i talk about your medal so that's the story of medals here well good because you said right through the what i can see the medal you have is saying none of them has to do with the long catch all of a this was what happened to me after that would you like to have a medal signifies to learn our african options that somebody told me

here or to survivors in scotland not generally given a matter though everybody was given one as your flight well it just so happens. that i have one with me and with great pleasure oh i see you have spirit and the spirit with has very low engineers my privilege to present that is really nice how i certainly appreciate how i have. for your service and now on very pleased time i'm here to talk to a paper bag and talking so well our lovely home shall please to spread. now i must of got one more saying that so i won cast your medal but this is the quiz the quake's a scottish you put. on the quiz. only scots welsh.

it means a loving cup so the whisky. when you possible know your friends only your best friends asked her enormous home free. only that. you today ever come. well has and you're still here and a good amount of whisky and you'll be here for the whole. announcement you were not very good. the lack of recognition and acknowledgement in the subsequent years has left many survivors and relatives of victims feeling the sacrifice was worth less than the big heroic events of the second world war jacqueline tanner is one of a handful of people who was on the lancaster and is still with us she was just a little girl of three and a half when the ship was attacked her parents clifford and if either telly or were

working in belton when they decided to evacuate and i'm delighted to be joined by jacqueline to the welcome back into the show tell me a bit about what you can remember what you were the age of two and a half what you've been told about what happened and how your parents managed to get themselves and you off the ship when it was torpedoed they had to move so they picked me up and apparently i kept saying baby here baby here so i was very lucky my parents were strong swimmers and i think they were in the water for quite a few hours. and people gentleman they gave that a piece of wood to put me on so that my father could you know get better on that and then when we got picked up on the highland. i was unconscious by then so i'm told. so they put me in hot water cold water hot water cold water. until i came around and luckily i kind of learned and here i am who did and of

course you brought with you jack lena this is a sweater this is what you were wrapped in when you were brought right and rise to how humans sweater that you looked after. me and. and and of course at the same time may something else you brought with us today very beautiful is your mom's war which is she told me it stopped at ten past four or not the seventeenth of june one thousand forty and you've got it you've kept it and just as it was yes and you got to safety because we have a lovely picture of you your family this is this is the day after when you were your back in back in plymouth yes yes and huge huge jacqueline just little two and a half with here with your dad in your mom there's a family gathering must've been quite some summary for everybody but i think they were all on the lancaster those those survivors yes how important jacqueline has that been that network been of people the connections that you make in talking

about what happened then because i know some people find it quite difficult to talk about it was abeyance every year we went to the reunions in front of us. which the french were very very kind. they they had a lancastrian. i would call it stone. and so we went every year but of course she received a medal in the in a ceremony at the school and. how was that before you and i had about what it was most unusual because i wasn't expecting. must have been especially in of course we have our a lovely picture of you at the zoo i think about twelve where you are a leader and a tough in london we're very grateful and privileged jackman you've been able to join us today and as a token of our appreciation and i don't ever get to do this because it's not by any morning it just says you received a medal from alex i'd like to present you with alex salmond week which is scalloped

for loving cup it's you can put in it whiskey we prefer of a scotch whisky of course we would prefer but i think you to i think you may have something else in my arm but we'd love for you to answer is from us to you thank you so much for joining us thank you thank you thank you and so we have heard from the living testimony of lancaster survivors how strange it was to survive all of the greatest naval disasters in history before anyone really knowing what transpired over for any some winds of official recognition of the scale and enormity of what had taken place i'm joined by author brian cropp who explained what was going on brian welcome to the exile and show in. your book the forgotten side just to. the story of the sinking one of the thought of that of a co so for what happened to the lancastrian but digital the forgotten tried to work because it was forgotten there was two or tragedies afterwards what in one nine hundred forty two konya which indeed at the same captain captain shah captain

sharp at that time he decided to go down with the ship. and the kind of a smell. and in one thousand nine hundred four and these three ships nobody is mention him afterwards i mean it's very difficult to find any information on it or was it just exegesis of war we know from churchill's orders code these was big enough disasters bad news for the day that's why you kept it quiet could you understand that logic or well it was on the back of dung kirk which it the time me only expected to get twenty five thousand people back and in fact to go or third of a million. people the blind in the course of your research obviously you have met many many lancastrian families both the families of those who died and the families of of those who survived how much does it mean to these people you've met to have

a knowledge mint of the extent of the loved one such a massive in every case you. little letters from survivors just thanking me for bringing their story to light because. they're just forgotten we're going to bore for your work for what it's meant to and for appearing on the other shoe i'm delighted to present you with the quick. loving cup was due to the drill whisky of liquid and then loaned your close friends thank you very much thank you so probably scott's mind. but last week we saw how this confidential disaster is commemorated with such sensitivity by the people of britain after the break we'll hear how the main cast of families of victims and survivors finally achieve some recognition that a whole perhaps appropriately in scotland for the ship was launched as a mess to the area in one thousand twenty two c.l.m.

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given to us not to the south korean users tell them not to be some corny summed up . the money which of the british mr worst time imo she of the school. in a world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart or we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the

hawks. welcome back a serious. the war was over a link to survivors association this form to commemorate the loss it ran for some twenty five years in one thousand eighty one the cultures were taken up by the h.m.t. lancastrian association which until two thousand and ten run and i knew one morning service at st catherine creature church in london and also organized visits to sun is there it was to this church that in two thousand and five the belle of the land castillo with the ships launching the tide of india was just turned after being left with a note at local cemetery and still remains at st catherine creek to the city. and all of this volunteer effort what was lacking was any official recognition of the

enormity of the disaster we asked the ministry of defense if they'd be willing to be interviewed or send a statement we're yet to hear from them here's a clip though from george osborne standing in for prime minister david cameron a prime minister's questions in twenty fifteen on the seventy fifth anniversary of the sinking of the lancaster if i might mr speaker at the end of the session since you raise a military matter it is the seventy fifth anniversary of the sinking of the h m t. the largest loss of british lives at sea in the history of this maritime nation some of the survivors are still alive today and many of course mourn who those who died it was kept secret at the time for reasons of wartime secrecy and i think it's appropriate today in this house of commons to remember all those who died those who survived and the families who still mourn them. however to this day and please press for a more comprehensive government acknowledgement to do with special poor people and

from poppy scotland with a puppy in the ship's bell marking the last of him why only it would at least two hundred one men perished of the two hundred eighty three on board of stornoway at the end of world war one it was recently marked in scotland as a church however as we approached remembrance sunday one of the leader of the house can offer a statement from the minister of defense on the loss of the hitch mt lancaster on the seventeenth of june nine hundred forty of sunday's inadvertently in world war two with an estimated four thousand dead it's the largest single ship lost in you came out of ten history and it is yet never been properly recognised for relatives to remember their loved ones of the heroes look to help this historic and justice. well i completely sympathize with the on a potential in this desire to raise they say she's here in the house we do have a full debate. on tuesday on the said mrs and that would be an appropriate time to be able to raise ships lost during the second world war also i'm sure that would be

in order the honorable gentleman raises questions directly then it's peter in two thousand and eight the relatively newly formed lancaster association of scotland achieved a decisive breakthrough they were successful in persuading the scottish government under certain alex salmond to provide the official recognition which had been sought by so many for so long the scottish parliament swept aside generations of indifference and stuck still and cast a medal for the families the victims and survivors some three hundred seventy five have been struck over the years for the claims of formally caused in twenty fifty one of those attending the major said to many was robert track in the last few days speaking outside the scottish parliament he loved the experience of that memorable day for the and catherine families. rabbi welcome to. you have gone alexander to shank's was lost in the lancastrian that i'm interested in

a boy growing up the family speak about that all explain how you know your grandfather died. father released talk of the tragedy probus reasons say but my mother gave me snippets and for me a not so we go information on the project the incident we want to do up to doris day and from each other you know hey don't tell me of course but. my father was the knave in the water i wasn't we have a tall. of your grandfather been among those lost in the line i wasn't even aware of the one cost yes an instant has almost been written history surely that comes to you but you find that strange i'd never have the wind cast if it was such a huge disaster yes. for everybody would know about that even to this is the thought more. of the new supposed to say this quite sure but i mean

this they have to be recognized by the highest level and did your mother over discuss what happened we have gone. to finally been told at that time that they did zuma they got a letter from the war office saying you're my new relative your loved one has been lost and was that it was it was just a later see him missing in action so he knew all that information and start it was too late what the later in my opinion of course there was as we know no one effect of the news blackout. what many of us can understand this that was existence is a war but you're fighting for its life except you don't just understand why that decision was taken what's more difficult to understand this why did that continue after the war why when the danger was past why wasn't it openly discussed then. they never feel as a family you know we would deserve to know what happened to our loved one very much saw a cut on the start this the i understand there's still some way of. being withheld

from the public i think we deserve to know i think we've got a right to know what happened relatives as i understand i'll xander but it was never a couple. but they were family led to believe us well it was it was never a couple. he jumped over it was a witness saw him jumping overboard a but i was the last of this you know from the javelin streatch the water continuously so i don't know if he was short in the water but if you try i could say that the graves and britney are lovingly kept on many many of them and june seventeenth one thousand four. known to go out and i would imagine that alexander among those who were lost then get to know the tate's of the settlement of that cut he had in the scots bottom and they said years ago yes i did the family feel that all these years to finally get that medal signifying

that the loss of your grandfather were delayed so it's a it was great to get recognition from the sacrifice because a. difficult financial difficulties my dad took to come down from the highlands and what and the little ones knots why i moved along with school and put in a so it was it was really appreciated at school. and the keep the medal to this day yes of course it free and along with your later dollars thank you so this price is ation than my house. today but so what i can give us there the quake struck us and you know the drill hi i know you know the drill you're from luggage so whisk in the quick and dirty family and friends tell you of all thoughts and i. thank you so much much appreciated. i just asked which touched the lives of so many inevitably leads to many coincidences as alex was filming at say the scottish

parliament with robert crick shank he was approached by face a visitor from sun is there he wanted to add his condolences there is no doubt that history second disaster touched the hearts of the people of britain. michelle you've covered to visit the scottish parliament where with your wife and you're from some azad implicitly tell me what does the loss of that lancastrian mean to the people of. vietnam as able to be pro-choice on top of believing in santa claus or martin sixty years it into your pleasure do not as the young people was a disaster. of the deal it has been for them deal with the big memories that he deliberately moving to see that you did going to war because you know the people. under the trees. it was very difficult to do this if you're doing a lot of. good you don't just solely plaza is it it to do cool is.

going to pull of course. the show thank you very much. the two thousand and eight major sediment in the scottish parliament was followed up in two thousand and eleven by memorial built on the grounds of the golden jubilee hospital in clydebank on the very site where they were just an office one street off the quite shipyards where the lancaster was launched in one thousand nine hundred twenty two as a time. as ever in this story the funds for that memorial were raised by the people by the lancaster association of scotland i was here on the banks of a clyde that our story has its beginning and it said. this is where the state was born as a tough in one thousand twenty two the name was changed to a few years later because american gas find it difficult to pronounce and just a few yards from here is where they're like customer families finally achieve the hops desired and twenty eleven by having

a memorial built to those who died. it's difficult not to contrast the open hearted remembrance of the people directly before they get a lodging at the mission of the authorities in these islands and by denying remember the rest two things. if you don't remember waterfall is sacrifice of casualties then you run the risk of repeating the mistake and secondly will fight the members families cannot have phenolic for the loss of the loved ones. the one customer families were denied both. and in two thousand and eleven when the requiem for the link last year finally arrived it was a people's wreck with. perhaps robert louis stevenson said it best. under the why the starry sky dig the grave the more let me live and why did i live and gladly die if i leave it doesn't move or will. this be the best you grieve for

me he lies with the longing to be. home as a sailor. home from the sea. and the hunt up home for the film.

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