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time human visual culture was or at least the visible part of it was defined primarily by the talent and by the artist as you said rather than the masses and the direction was. essentially turning their original into the mainstream is that still the case so there are multiple processes going on right if you look at but all of artificial intelligence for example in contemporary digital culture search engines recommendation systems you know which is building became very thick for those it's very easy to price you with which is going to lead to less cultural diversity but also mechanisms which perhaps can make it more they were resample spotify rights were largest music's the services as you say it is the study of where we showed with every month well number of different music artists we're wishes and is listening to is increasing by a few percent right says so it's possible with which knowledge is what we're going to make a world more diverse elice there were some same time. that's an interesting and
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somewhat paradoxical statement but if you took the most popular apps i assume that they're still playing by the numbers rather than the quality of the content so don't just think about focus on the numbers the numbers of likes the number of let's say promotions don't just think that it's going to be a driving in the overall direction towards something less original of rather than more original you know we'll hold these unlikely just cultural if you slip eleven years ago as i said that's exactly the kind of questions we'll have to talk about and often the difference and sometimes our visions turn to be wrong so ideally i would like to study with would like to measure it of course how do you measure creates you each year because billions of images have billions of video bits of a hard question so only too much of a level i think to give you but ideally i would like to check that i heard you say that your work involves a lot of steer a tie busting. what are some of the. most memorable stereotypes that your
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work managed to the fi it was a most interesting discovery or our maybe new a function which our quantitative database studies lead to is besides year words we still tend to think about culture away with this contemporary culture is there a culture in terms of periods which is a separate question perhaps the cultural center is a progressive cultural more school impressionism versus a little arts ever started which in a lot of cultural artifacts millions and millions and using scientific methods for all but in fact what turns out is but continue to thins out a similarity is opposed to difference so while for example it's been said one bloke was customary you why you get into periods based the racial leaves you know in europe and periods are in fact results will continue to between his art so this idea with culture is more about continue it it's about small but effective
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differences or all with huge qualitative boxes the way we think of intelligence of information a century which of course it was then you have not always that had been sad when growth are but also billions of images on instagram and someone said that this is something extremely trivial why would anyone concern himself with that people taking pictures of themselves what can you extrapolate from. about human behavior in general. the first thing i want to say so we look at it but sixty million for graham images but isn't there a look at two hundred seventy million images shared on twitter looking forward three years we'll also look at a deal in the arts which is the largest online for the archive a network full of professional art and of the founders words will one feel instagram is of its own a selfish it's only pictures of stars and celebrities reality each of us. social
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networks offices everything you'll find everything you file in you at the p.r. plus more so what's the soyuz incredible there's your are incredible universe of human creativity right of different styles but i do experiments was up we came across some fifty year old high school students iberia who said guys for the last three weeks i was experimenting with adding one pixel white line who bore the my photos how do you like it so this idea of it it's all to reveal exactly why and which was questions once we started which is the data but in a practical sense i know that they you also have a degree in experimental psychology do you think that kind of knowledge adds anything to reserve more of our knowledge about something i think it does and i think to me for me personally right the best thing about this availability would be data for study of society of humans and culture is vet who today we can observe what rights of human behavior it was hundred fifty occultists in billions of people
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so to me. reserve potential right to create a new kind of science a society of humans which will not generalizable same level which will recognize but what i mean be a false sense of humor which rationed sort of houses of quite a few groups not only five and ten but the way we can do it in practice you know it's a big question because a whole society a whole new research is still very much designed is that essentially relates to you know as you were five me to aisha's you resort to types of societal swore so this idea that because studies humans were biologists that ability of the world to really cognize hundred million different species to some extent when i was thinking about it about it it struck me that researchers could never fully access dive thick layer of human culture if you're an hour studying it's almost similar to human hearing which is limited at certain frequencies and human academic past and analyzing capacity was also as you said limited to
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a fairly small sample size is now e.u. big you take a much bigger i think one of us that is involved over a billion they'd a points right well with two hundred seventy million images well that's still a subtle difference actually was ever actually that we got to go on society after a second because the demand from twitter and twitter said ok guys would you want to see the world every image which you showed to twitter location until the time was a bit about you how many with of because we have no time to code but here it into a lot of was about two hundred seventy million over a few years so that's quite a lot but that's in any case a fundamentally different vantage point does it offer anything special in terms of . being a research mouth as a recession rather is it in any way doesn't give you an venues for something something new i think of the us so first of all right before is yourself you know if you making any kind of study of society or culture typically it's local it's
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like used sits them in so regular the world. your eyes that what you see is what you should an ice sheet know it doesn't cost any more to make a study of local right so for example i can collect instagram images been shared around this location or read some pews work in or just a bit of effort i can collect you know if you can for a possible occasions and i think for me it's very important because of being sick i'm a comparative i was in what democracy x. point of view because you realize with no particular places unique in the thing with smoke of comparative more global point of view is one which is appropriate or soto historical periods i think what's interesting about it is that it's both global and local at the same time and what i wanted to ask is how. much cultural variation plays into big data things you know all can be true about the americans and the chinese how much do they relate to the russians i think to present an argument for a question about self-esteem this may be a good example writes in the selfish you project which we created in two thousand
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and twelve was published that was a fortune we collective can few thousand self is from your five five to just around the world inventor use a computer software to measure. the size of a head the right people are looking you know i was smiling where emotions it's not that i'm actually followed by the beetle body ition left for example in the proportion of self has been shared between to male male. if any place all the places male she males are showing more selfish some men are somehow shy but the biggest number was in russia it was actual most five times what you feel selfish from the male versus a billion in new york was only one point five so human on the level of self is found lots and lots of elation why it is you know the study doesn't us through a study kind of finds in fact which now we have to explain so it gives us new puzzles to do you have any in taste since about that because you do have a front runner in those societies yes i don't spend enough time with russia right so you know by density in the russian managed to get the mystery to me. but i think
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one thing is going though with russia it's seventy two culture and it's a very fashion obsessed culture and to me russia reminds me a lot of asia rock self-effacing this diagram is completely part of everyday life in a way in the most wrong way with was up in the west. one other findings to come out from that instagram study that is both i think. you differ is that people taking selfies in moscow the least and somebody who spent most of your lifetime now in the united states i'm sure you are familiar with a pan am smile and how infectious it is how it's pravda around the world why do you think the russians are so slow and picking up that kind of smile as opposed to let's say the technology is the fashion trends and everything else. so you know i was also a bit puzzled by why i didn't because for a while i thought maybe it's befalls of a software because software uses mostly your new users neural net they thought maybe it was on the internet and la is just right california smile or just started
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to every interaction when more every time where i wish to meet two airports i don't see a single smiling person right now at a lot of rational friends people i think of it in the music with smile where there is a certain kind of greyness right in the every day for the official culture which if you still persists maybe because it's called maybe because it's a baby crown three you know it's so interesting question but definitely you know because i think the difference which is object if i feel it's worth saying you don't think it's about how the software code said it's actually about the russian people and being more crunk i feel your slogan so it's look if we're more grumpy right you have a video of moveable warmest you know people we can be optimistic with in the jetta but it's time to i want to mention it first i think it's also just more of the way people getting themselves i don't know if you noticed right so you know i mean if it was small talk should people actually not used the word to be peanuts goes three inch so what i definitely know a serious. change you know difference is behavior and they're fighting to be bored
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because we like now in the third decade a little bit is ations you would think with every where people behave the same because we using with same software are using the same services and the real deal of when to believe but if you have each year i think the local culture still bistro we people behave it's abuse brooky with versus most poor versus you know bunghole is the very different well documented answer have to take a very short break now but we've all been back in just a few moments stay tuned. could move through the streets of the space will. i look for some period.
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work we do is the. bottom back to worlds apart with laughter when the rich professor of computer science and the city have her stamp new york the woman who has just before the break started talking about cultural and national differences in relation to big data and it's no longer a and a preoccupation of only social or a computer scientists many governments see big data and artificial intelligence as a new frontier in their geopolitical rivalry you may have heard that the president of this country mr putin sad that whoever lost serious artificial intelligence will rule the world do you agree with that so you know as
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a student of just gorgeous she sort of just i see a bit of the public obsession if i can say right of sorts when it's a little developments it comes in waves was up today people are really into. your charity and they are exactly was he was helping you in the aegis like a waitress for example who also obsessed with supercomputers who was busy initial it will live between us and japan and before that there was also a similar obsession about television and war and also read where you of course look you are right. and we feel is right because we i feel as been so hyped so much you know every company has to say would be using the goddess if we do a lot so but in the same play what is different is something real but what i think about it i think about more that as it continues develop. as opposed to radical shift because basically. it's a extension of statistics. is about measurements affective because measure can nominate in so many different our fields for example to measure when people called
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the museum were able to craft and it's just that just because the logic of measurement of to musician which is spreading itself into so many different areas in the same direction with ai is that one single thing which is going to me this is social not no i don't think so. you also hear people talk about. what computers can do that someone brain isn't capable of is it also true why it's worse is there is there something that only human brain can do that computer is will never be capable of. i can if you look at work on the specialist into besides in the eye i am not by the way and professor of computer science amateur artist i was writing and teaching digital art all my life but if you look at experts people say with this huge progress in the eye which media talks about reality is a progress only if you limited it is so in my talk which i'll do is immune hermitage i'm going to make a joke i will take two photographs of me which were taken with
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a few months ago we were like five seconds of each hour i'm going to submit them to one of our computer vision services the top one from microsoft amazon and you'll see how our software is going to predict with my age in the with mayfly city is very different that idea that you know a few days ago was office so that for you since no one so there were fifty five once of them his particular one so the asian serial it's year the systems are still missing so many mistakes so we definitely be very far from the level of going to human thinking human precision so don't worry robots are no good to over load probably take over your job now and here you said yourself there is some potential there and i wonder how far will it go digital technologies and social media allow many individuals to if not redesign their lives at least to re-imagine them does it also work on national levels do you think countries may think about that perennial problems and. hopefully overcome that when the help of second technology i think
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that it's probably easier to do it for a smaller compass and if you have a good example would be me please aslaksen go pro but particularly the store near which is recognized as a world leader in international digital technology what you will for example if you screen i will countries if you was with them a few months which i would they said they're going to publish everybody talks a georgia line but then you go to places store near and what you see is the computer science fiction we also people trust in world data through a government i think it's a bit hard to write to be the countries. with talk to be the but before into your. was a huge difference for example right deep in russia. and how digital technologies is used her use by government how we use babies this is how we use baby people so differently if there is a will resolve we. let's take russia for example because you have this country oh a long time ago you write here and now more often and it's interesting and
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paradoxical to some extent case because we have a still a fair way back or it's additional economy of a threat tape corruption all the other ails but when it comes to online economy it's actually pretty vibrant and i would have been say innovative in a certain services in russia much better than in many european countries. certain government services for example online a much better than off line. am i being too hopeful here or is it something that can at least not just the country in a in the red direction no i assure you of the museum invest was starting about three hundred years ago and low income into russia every in the months because despite bureaucracy europe that corruption resummon about russia and especially younger people which inspires me if you reason a serious refute what i mean occurrence. we sisterly has been a continuous in the media well as big war was hundred years ago so this why you i
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told you before interviewer confined by us to colleagues really believe with reading newspapers new york times. because in the way we have no reason not to believe that this is a crushing also chugger been for incredible intellectual coloe bickel political psychological break if you for fifty years ago that when it created something were always to fusions people invest it in the southerly dissolved right and if you get allow certain people within the peasantry so reason to come to russia reasoned so inspired your every time and you will let your special place of the cars are the two men from a center results want to question those which are my best questions i get asked my life respond to supply will you lectures the very prestigious best in places like the rest of them or a lab in the first year i can come to predict every question you ask because everybody went to the same programs everybody read the same textbooks so the way you know people are smart was awfully bit limited the religion nation risks your
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you know people were not told this is how you should speak so sometimes must be better questions i posed as best questions so essentially like the way i was going to destruction in the past or the executable out great if i think often when dependent culture let me also ask you a question about china because it's a very big player in the field of into artificial intelligence and if you remember back in soviet times the propensity of a state or centralization was thought of as a major impediment to progress it made decisions much slower it was a major burden on the way to official sea but i think china may be turning it on its had now because there are many studies now are suggesting that this gun satoris centralization allows chinese companies to progress much faster when it comes to big data and it's especially intelligent because they keep that all that data in. big centralized legs that concern for privacy is much much smaller. do you
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think there is any cultural advantages to you in development or disadvantages to development of official intelligence so just as are you often go to russia and feel that inspired a heresy shouldn't shine there would arrive in china they show interest a second century. and unfortunately i think it's not so easy to have easy spanish and switch with country size a joke if you brick a lovely performance let's say you look at a few countries whichever is which will come centralize right france russia china religiously results writes of france is going to be backward technologically sometimes the us he was the most presidential please europe not the world i mean russia has or has very advanced services you know the kind of window where friends i'm going to russia will have fessed into that my form because new york it's very slow and we have china. i think with the see israel that we're all central government in china right china to create huge infrastructure projects which no
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other country can do so i think that. definitely not only small businesses but the government to put your wants can use technologies to reinvent themselves well at least to progress economically very very quickly i also heard you say it's no longer about creating artificial intelligence as much as controlling and women and eliminating its application and traditional and that they intimate of the government and the government governments do regulation the dissing it when it comes to modern technology governments have both they had technological and the intellectual capacity to do that. no i mean so out with conservative but seeing would happen like in will last presidential elections not only in years but also present there were in the way companies like ambition that each occur and in fact played a bigger role by following millions of users and showing them only particle advertising
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which if you throw profiles the way you know it probably get contributed to were outcome of elections it's really big shift so a shift in credit you know we'll see something very conservative in governments perhaps have to think about ways to regulate this and i think europe is a leader. and also i will say something more article i saw today when people talk about its official intelligence would be really mean is neural networks write your daemon that worked or do some people across your writings and most often we don't know how to work your rights of grief is that walks us into the use of the boxes because we're more frequent so i actually feel great paradox if a perhaps our our government should kind of weather called outlaw this because maybe it's better to have software which is less efficient but which is more transparent so fair but our society has adopted this network which creates this big boxes where we don't know what we do you know it's a it's maybe not such a cool stream do you mention cameras now and again let me ask you perhaps then the
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final question is there are people who. a very negative about congress analytical usually they are action and don't trump usually presumed that that was some malicious influence and people made an irrational choice as much as we may dislike mr trump on a personal level defend his election election was really. such an irrational choice given what's been happening in the united states over the last couple of decades or so few but it was for us first of all if you look at the medical actions for many years relatively every time it's like fifty fifty the second thing is i think in my own guesses about yes it was companies play the role but with a much you trump is a master trauma because his own t.v. show that if you hear the words exactly message reach the americans live in the suburbs which is seeing with american the nation's coming their way and we're seeing immigrants coming and said work your harlot if you will drop if you will just message sir so i would say probably he would win if you are going to believe
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he wasn't the first to harness the power of social media i mean i have read or hear about my thesis and then again it was a moment of us an eight so fascinate of ability i knew it was so many of us and two of him around a father of two republican said well it actually used to seem to her you know anything about what they want to say but commercially to go it was all reported in media if it was not so correct because ultimately what we do is with millions or falzon souls but they should agencies do every day we just would be genius was to build a system which were able to scale. to like millions of people who will acknowledge the rights of a genius was infrastructural genius which if such were used is used every day to show ads so the way it was nothing radical about it if it actually was through scary that's exactly was it being is because of consumer logic which drives internet i have to ask you about what a thing about the claims are for russian interference dear thing russia has enough capacity to influence the american political decision making on such
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a scale. you know one thing about politics right in contemporary world i think whenever we would never never know exactly what happened and with the thought of the world before mr hewitt or mr stoddard was miss you know one bad guy you can go with happened right today. it's possible right folk on to students mr chavez. and it's very hard to say that for example him attempt to have more transparency his book started the project really basically made the archive of the millions and millions of political in those social ads seleucus archival with a so with a high for million ads it was some ad by some progressive groups maybe you know for abortion against abortion and each other sean for two days so it's very hard to know is where you want and maybe it's also other effects of this kind of online for mutation ripping went exposed to believe the messages each message may be shown for a few seconds. it would be nice to know but maybe we'll know
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a little while perhaps we can discuss that in here in a couple of years but for now we have to live there thank you very much for sharing your insights into so much to encourage our weirs to keep this conversation going on our social media out of to syria same place same time here on worlds apart. fracking gave america a lot of new job opportunities i needed to come up here to make some money like
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