of the number of different music artists we wish isn't is listening to is increasing by a few percent right says so it's possible with which knowledge is going to make a world more diverse illis there were some same time. that's an interesting and somewhat paradoxical statement but if you took the most popular apps i assume that they're still playing by the numbers rather than the quality of the content so don't you think about focus on the numbers the numbers of likes the number of let's add promotions don't just think that it's going to be a driving in the overall direction towards something less original of rather than more original you know we'll hold these unlikely just cultural if you slip eleven years ago as i said it's exactly the kind of questions we like to talk about and often the difference and sometimes a vicious or to be wrong so ideally i would like to study with would like to measure it of course how do you measure traits each year because billions of images

of billions of you do with a very hard question so only too much of a level i think to give you but ideally i would like to check that i heard you say that your work involves a lot of steer a tie busting what are some of the. most memorable stereotypes that your work managed to defy it one of the most interesting discovery or our maybe new a future in which our quantitative database studies little is a year it's still time to think about culturally with this contemporary culture is there a culture in terms of periods which will separate got to produce the cultural some piece regressive cultural more school impressionism versus a little arts ever started looking lots of cultural artifacts millions and millions and using scientific methods to fall but in fact what turns out is the continuity of things out a semi attitude as opposed to a difference so. well for example what's been said one bloke was customary you why

you get into p.a.'s base the received in europe and paris and are in fact results will continue to between his art so this idea of culture is more about continue it it's about small but you did have differences row with huge qualitative boxes the way you would tell it to the theme from letter century which of course it was but you have not always that had been sad one go are but also billions of images on instagram and someone said that this is something extremely trivial why would anyone concern himself with people taking pictures of themselves what can you extrapolate from. that about human behavior in general. who first thing i want to say so we'll look at bus fifty million stick them images what isn't to look at two hundred seventy million images shared on twitter but for for years we also look at the deep in the arts which is the largest online of the archive

a network full of professional art and love of how those words will help you that was to graham whether it's all unselfishness it's all of pictures of stars and celebrities and reality each of us social networks offices everything you'll find everything you'll find in you at the p.r. plus more so what's the soyuz incredible there's your are incredible universe of human creativity right of different styles but i do experiments was up we came across some fifty year old high school students iberia who said guys for the last three weeks i was experimenting with adding one pixel white line who bore the my photos how do you like it so this idea that it's all trivial is exactly why which was question once we started looking at data but in practical terms i know that they also have a degree in experimental psychology do you think that's kind of knowledge adds anything to raise our moral fiber our knowledge about something i think it does and

i came to mean for me personally right the best thing about this availability of big data the study of society humans and culture is vet who today we can observe what right use of human behavior it was hundred fifty occultists in billions of people so to me it. reserve potential right to create a new kind of science of society in humans which will not generalizable same level which was a little bit but i may be a false sense of humor too ations were of houses of quite a few groups not only five and ten but the way we can do it in practice you know it's a big question because a whole society a whole new research is still very much designed is that essentially relates to you know as you were five mi to aisha's you resort to types of societal swore so this idea that because studies humans really biologists that ability of the world were really cognize hundred million different pieces to some extent when i was thinking about it about it it struck me that researchers could never fully access dive thick

layer of human culture if you're an hour studying it's almost similar to human hearing which is limited at certain frequencies and human academic a past and analyzing capacity was also as you said limited to a fairly small sample size is now e.u. big you take a much bigger i think one of us that is involved over a billion they'd a points right well with two hundred seventy million images well that's still a subtle difference actually was ever actually that we got to go on society after a second because it was from twitter and twitter said ok guys would you want to save the world every image which you showed to twitter location until the time was a bit about you how many would have because we have no time to code but here it into a lot of was about two hundred seventy million over a few years so that's quite a lot but that's in any case a fundamentally different vantage point does it offer anything special in terms of . being a research mouth as

a recession rather is it in any way doesn't give you an event here is for something something you think of the us so first of all right before as you said you know if you making any kind of study of society or culture typically it's local it's like used fitzsimmons how were you looking at the world. all eyes and what you see is what you should minimize says no it doesn't cost any more to make a study of local rights oprah's up like an election cycle image has been shared around you know this location and some police work you know just a bit of effort i can collect you know a few extra thousands of locations and i think to me it's very important because of being sick i'm a comparative i was a more democratic point of view of people realized that no particle place is unique in that if you miss mocha comparative more global point of view is one which is appropriate also thaw historical period i think what's interesting about it is that it's both global and local at the same time and what i wanted to are asking is how much cultural rary ational plays into big data things you know to be true about the

americans and the chinese how much do they relate to the russians or let's say the present lands i didn't unfair question about self is a myth maybe it would example writes in the surface of the project which we created in two thousand and twelve was published that was a first you recollect you're going to few thousand selfless from your five five cities around the world in the use a computer software to measure your head of the size of a hair the real people are looking you know i was smiling we're emotions it's actually filed with a bit of variation for example in the proportion of self has been sherbet in female male. if anyplace all places male and females are showing more selfish some medicine how shy but the biggest number was in russia it was actual most five times what you will stop us from manila versus a billion in europe there's only one point wife's even in the level of self has found lots of lots of variation why it is you know by study doesn't us or

a study kind of finds an effect which now we have to explain circa gives us new puzzles does it have any intonations about that because you do have a plethora in both societies yes i don't spend enough time with the russian rights of identity in the russian minister would be for mystery to me. but i think one thing is going though with russia it's a very visual culture and it's a very fashionable such culture and to me russia reminds me a lot of asia rock self-pity instagram it's completely part of everyday life in a way in the most wrong way with results in the west's. one other finding to come out from that instagram study that is. do you differ is that people taking selfies in moscow. at least and somebody who spent most of your lifetime now in the united states i'm sure you are familiar with a pan am smile and how infectious it is how it's proud around the world why do you think the russians us so slow in picking up that kind of smile as opposed to let's say the technology is the fashion trends and everything else. so you know i was

also a bit puzzled by this why i didn't because for a while i thought maybe it's befalls of a software or you know because software uses mostly your new users neural net they thought maybe it was all new but in three different ways just right california smile or they started traveling to russia when more every time where i wish to meet two airports i don't see a single smiling person right now at a lot of rational friends people i think of it in the music was probably where there is a certain kind of greyness right in the every day for the official culture which i think still persists maybe because it's called maybe because it's a baby crown three even if it's so interesting question but definitely you know because i think the difference which is objective i feel it's worth saying if you don't think it's about how the software codes that it's actually about the russian people and being more crunk i feel your slogan so it's look if we're more grumpy right you know of a video movie warmest you know people and we can be optimistically digital but it takes time so i want to mention it first i think it's also just more of what people

carry themselves like you know if you noticed right so you know i mean if it was small talk show people actually not used the word to be peanuts goes through age so what a different scene a serious. change you know differences behavior and i find it to be really boards because we're like now in the third decade a little bit is ations you would think with every where people behave the same because we're using with same software using the same services and the real dream in the world to believe but if you have each year i think the local culture still bistro we people behave it's abuse brooky with versus most poor versus you know bunghole used to be different well documented history have to take a very short break now but we've all been back in just a few moments stay tuned. join

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not what you. that's a tough reality to deal. with them back to worlds apart with laughter when the rich professor of computer science and the city have burst their p.r. the minute it's just before the break we started talking about cultural and national differences and relations and big data and it's no wonder at and a preoccupation of only social or a computer scientists many governments see big data and artificial intelligence as a new frontier in their geopolitical rivalry you may have heard that the president of this country mr putin said that whoever lost serious artificial intelligence will rule the world do you agree with that so you know as a student of she's gorgeous she sort of just knowledge or i see

a bit of the public obsession if i can say right of certain it's a logical developments it comes in waves was up today people are really into. your cio cheney are exactly was he if he was happening in the aegis of creators for example who also obsessed with supercomputers who was busy initial it will live between us and japan and before that there was also a similar obsession about television and war and also read where you of course nuclear arms rights. and the fears are right because we i feel as been so hyped so much now every company has to say with these and here i regard this if we do a lot so but in the same pie what is different is something real but what i think about it i think about more that as a continuous development as opposed to radical shift because basically. it's sort of extension of statistics. is about measurements affected because measure you know in so many different our fields for example to measure when people called the museum we will look up and it's restart just tickle the logic of measurement of to musician which is spreading itself into so many different areas in the same

direction with the eye is that one single thing which is good to me just a social lot no i don't think so zain you also hear people talk about. what computers can do that human brain isn't capable of is it also true why it's worse is that is there something that only human brain can do that computer is will never be capable of i can if you look at work in the specialist into besides in the eye i am not by the way in professor of computer science a major artist i was writing teaching digital art all my life but if you look at experts people say with this huge progress in the eye which media talks about reality is a progress only if you limit it is so in my talk which i'll do is immune hermitage i'm going to make a joke i will take two photographs of me which were taking let's say a few months ago we were like five seconds of each hour i'm going to submit them to one of our computer vision services the top from microsoft i was on and you'll see

how the software is going to predict with my age in there with my a few switches very different that i did you know a few days ago was office so that for you since no one so there was fifty five once of them his particular one so the asian serial it's year the systems are still missing so many mistakes so we definitely be very far from the level of kind of human thinking human precision so don't worry robots are no good to over the world will probably take over your job now and here you said yourself there is some potential there and i wonder how far will it go digital technologies and social media allow many individuals to if not redesign their lives at least to re-imagine them does it also work on national levels do you think countries may think about that perennial problems and. hopefully overcome them when they help of second technology i think that it's probably easier to do it for a smaller compass and if you have

a good example would be really pleased to succeed particularly the store in you which is recognized as a word leader internation do just knowledge of what you will for example if you scream i will countries if you was with them a few lint which i would they said they're going to publish everybody talks a georgia line but then you go to places store near and what you see is the computer science fiction we also people trust in world data to a government i think it's a bit hard to write to be the qantas. with talk to be the but before into your. was a huge difference for example right deep in russia. and how digital technology is use her use by government how we use babies in this is how we use baby people so differently if there is a will resolve we. let's take russia for example because you have this country oh a long time ago you're coming right here and now more often and it's interesting and paradoxical to some extent case because we have a still a fair way back or it's additional economy of

a threat tape corruption all the other ails but when it comes to online economy it's actually pretty vibrant and i would have been say innovative in a certain services in russia much better than in many european countries. certain government services for example online a much better than line. am i being too hopeful here or is it something that can at least not just the country in a in the red direction no i sure your team is i'm invested was startin about three hundred years ago i'm no coming to russia every the hard months because despite bureaucracy europe that corruption resummon about russia and especially and the people which inspires me if you reason a serious rethink what i mean occurrence. we history has been a continuous in the media well as big war was hundred years ago so this why you i told you before interviewer confined by us to colleagues ability belief with reading newspapers new york times. because in the way we have no reason not to

believe that this was a crushing also chugger been for incredible intellectual coloe bickel political psychological break if a few years ago that unit created something were omitted fusions people invest it in the southerly dissolved right and if you get allow certain people if you mean the peasantry so it isn't a come to russia reason so inspired to europe every time a year election or special places a cousin or two men from a center result is want to question things which are my best questions i get asked my life respond to supply will you lectures the very prestigious western places like the rest of them or a lab in the recent year i can come to predict every question you ask because everybody went to the same programs everybody read the same textbooks so the way you know people are smart but the awfully big limits of the religion nation risks your you know people were not told this is how you should speak so sometimes must

be better questions i posed as best questions so essentially like the way i was going to destruction in the past or the executable out bridges i think often when you present culture let me also ask you a question about china because it's a very big player in the field of into artificial intelligence and if you remember back in soviet times the propensity of a state towards centralization was thought of as a major impediment to progress it made decisions much slower it was a major burden on the way to efficiently but i think china may be turning it on its had now because there are many studies now suggesting that this gun satoris centralization allows chinese companies to progress much faster when it comes to big data and it's especially intelligent because they keep that all that data in. big centralized legs that concern for privacy is much much smaller. do you think there is any cultural advantages to you in development or disadvantages to

development of official intelligence so just as are you often go to russia and feel that inspired a heresy shouldn't shine there with your armchair national interest a second century. and unfortunately i think it's not so easy to have easy spawn nations which will connect countrysides a joke if you brick a lovely performance let's see you look at a few countries whichever is which will come centralize right france russia china religious results the rights of france is going to be backward you know logically sometimes the us he was most presidential please europe not the world i mean russia has or has very advanced services you know. until we're friends i'm going to russia will have fessed into that my form because new york it's very slow and we have china. i think with the c. israel that we're all central government in china right china to create huge infrastructure projects which no other country can do so i think that. definitely

not only small businesses but the government to put your wants can use this technology has to reinvent themselves well at least to progress economically very very quickly i also heard you say it's no longer about creating artificial intelligence as much as controlling and women and eliminating its application and traditional and that's the demeanor of the government and government governments do regulation the dissing and when it comes to modern technology governments have both they had technological and the intellectual capacity to do that. you know i miss out with conservative but seeing would happen like in the last presidential elections not only in years but also present there were in the way companies like ambition of the ticker and in fact played a bigger role by following millions of online users and showing them on the particle advertising which was very profiles the way it probably did contributed to were outcome of elections it's really big shift so

a shift in credit you know we'll see something very conservative governments perhaps have to think about ways to regulate this and i think europe is really there. and also i will say something more article i saw today when people talk about its official intelligence what they really mean is neural networks write your daemon that worked or do some people across your writings and most often we don't know how to what your rights of grief is that walks us into the use of the boxes because we're more efficient so i actually feel great but i don't simply perhaps our our government should kind of what i call outlaw this because maybe it's better to have software which is less efficient but which is more transparent so if i put our society has adopted this network which creates big boxes where we don't know what we do you know it's a it's maybe not such a cool stream do you mention cameras now and again let me ask you perhaps then the final question is there are people who. a very negative about congress analytical

usually their action and don't trump usually presumed that that was some malicious influence and people made an irrational choice as much as we may dislike mr trump on the personal level defend his election election was really. such an irrational choice given what's been happening in the united states over the last couple of decades or so few but it was for us first of all if you look at the medical actions for many years relatively every time it's like fifty fifty the second thing is i think in my own guesses about yes it was companies played a role but was a much a trump is a master trauma because his own t.v. show they feel. exactly message which i mean to conceive in the suburbs which is seeing with american the nation's coming their way and we're seeing immigrants coming and said work your harlot it's your job if you will just message sir so i would say probably he would win in the belief he was. the first to our harness the power of social media i mean every morning about my thoughts and then

a little moment of us an eight so fascinate of ability a year it was so many of us and two of him around a father of two republican said well it actually used to seem to floyd you you know anything about what they want to say but commercially to go it was all reported in media if it was not so correct because ultimately what we do is with millions or thousand souls but they should agencies do every day we just would be genius was to build a system which was able to scale. to that millions of people who will acknowledge the rights of a genius was infrastructural genius which if you search for used is used every day to show ads so the way it was nothing radical about it if it actually was true scaly it's exactly was it being is because of consumer logic which drives internet i have to ask you about what you're saying about the claims of russian interference their thing russia has enough capacity to influence the american political decision making on such a scale. you know one thing about politics right in contemporary world i think whenever we would never never know exactly what happened and with the thought of

the world before mr chips or mr stoddard was miss you know one bad guy you can go with happened right today. it's possible rightful confidence mr chavez. and it's very hard to say that for example him attempt to have more transparency his book started the project really basically made the archive over the millions and millions of political and also shortall edits seleucus archive out with a series of high four million ads and has some ad by some progressive groups maybe you know for abortion against abortion and each other sean for two days so it's very hard to know is what you want and maybe it's also other effects of this kind of online for mutation ripping went with supposed to believe the messages each message may be shown for a few seconds. it would be nice to know but maybe it will go well perhaps we can discuss that in our near in a couple of years but for now we have to live there thank you very much for sharing

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