do it and so if britain is going to do something than they need to to restore their honor then they need to fess up to it on the other hand as our report that britain which it's denying that they are being linked to the development all fully automated drones you might have to describe doesn't what what they are should say has no intent says it has no intention of developing them and does not possess any fully autonomous weapons that's a troubling trouble one because the hardware had already been put in to the drones when i already been in the software had not been developed and now are eighteen or twelve years later and are looking at how they were already in the process of developing it look at how much our technology has gone so we have artificial intelligence is algorithms that know it's better than gunner senekal us and it wouldn't surprise me if these technologies are being used over in yemen and even tested on people. civilians and why do we want to give autonomy to any of this

right why would we want to give any of that to be out of human beings hands. it but it blows my mind i was at a geneva convention actually. and they were they were placing drones in the town and it's warfare loosely under cluster miss cluster munitions and land mines and i'm the only non lawyer there and the guy who opens the thing is like we must discuss what means you can't discuss what law means when lives are at this stage and this is one thing that i pay officer told me once he said you know i always stand up no matter what rank they are because a stupid decision is a stupid decision it's a stupid decision and and the reason why i used and up to them is because lives are at stake lives are at stake lives are at stake and i really definitely think that none of these politicians or people who are developing these technologies understand that lives are at stake they're just they're just sucking off the blood

money well the government or the military might say it would also provide all accurate targeting and it goes both ways that i don't have a problem problem it's not the accuracy that they're worried about because the accuracy like if we're going to look at just the imagery that is produced online most people it's an illusion it's fake like most people are fascinated by kim kardashian and trump's hair and they're just fake it's just fake right the real myths of the situation is that they want to develop this technology because robot isn't going to hesitate a robot isn't going to have feelings a robot isn't going to sit there and wonder how what this person's life is like they've already tried to develop human beings into that position they've studied studies that since world war one they've increased the probability of someone shooting and killing someone from twenty percent to ninety five percent fire and kill rate with a five percent margin of error and we wonder why there's twenty two veterans day

they kill themselves and then we punish the people that are speaking out against this we have julius son she's trapped in the ecuadorian embassy for holding truth to power. and he's just asking questions he's saying look this is what these guys are doing why isn't anyone stopping them and they're punishing they've taken my son there they've put zero zero whistleblower in jail someone who is dedicated to serving her country reality winner is in jail for showing that there were interference with our elections and no one's doing anything about this here in the u.k. professor michael clarke of the u.k. parliamentary terms group says the u.k. military personnel could be prosecuted for complicity in u.s. drone strikes but if we forget for a minute the complicity and of course all the all the deaths because of drone strikes what about the mental health impact on those that do the killing or facilitate it so this is this is something that i've spent a lot of time researching into because you know as i as i realized it specially sense you know more than one third of the deaths that were can we participate in

it's like so i read this story afterwards my my my therapist actually gave me the story where in the bombing of dresden. you know the pilots were just pushing the bombs out of the back of the aircraft and afterwards they just thought they were hitting targets right and afterwards they were shown pictures of the destruction and the people that and lives that they were affected and many of them were committed afterwards that had flown that mission and she said you know and i've read victor frankel's man's search for meaning at one point in you know it's all about we do cause a lot of destruction and what we should realise in this is the harm that it's caused to us is because we're separating from the intrinsic value of humanity we're not looking even like this interview we're doing it over skype great technology is wonderful but most likely the better connections between people are you know beyond

voice and image or in person and if we're taking the. the very sacred act of taking another person's life in battle if we're to if we're destroying that ability to look or opponent in the eyes and saying you are worthy of my blade or worthy of meeting death and i'm worthy of meeting or as well on this battlefield i'm only one or neither of us are going to survive we're taking that from these people and it's only a matter of time before it just. backfires well and a venue were given an envelope when i got out it was in an envelope it was just what happened was i. i knew that we had participated we had a database and. i had read my final e.p. are getting out and there was a number associated with actually there's a number associated with all these things and i killed thirteen people i know it i

marked myself with it i understand it. but i didn't understand again the amount of devastation that comes with it and i thought that my in my participation it would only been like a couple hundred but it ended at the. one thousand six hundred and twenty six individuals named. and the jewels and seven hundred forty eight i valued individuals so that's over two thousand four hundred people that had been personally that we we've tracked personally to be eliminated through this trade and so i can only imagine that people's lives to. you know hunted down and want to lock each who was in a mom he was killed by the americans and with his son a u.s. that's correct his son abdul or him on our locky was killed two weeks later and

they killed him because they didn't want him to be a. a rally point for cars and about six months after his death i met my father for the first time on easter and. he's a very much a religious man and very very passionate about god and i could only see his mirror in and want to lockey especially since my little brother at the time was sixteen year old sixteen years old and i saw no difference between them and then what it's all applied for me was when i was when i held my son. after. he was a year old now i was looking at him and i was i held him in my arms and i know that i've denied that. from another man and from the other families i've talked to a woman who asked me personally she asked why did my brother and my husband have to

die and i've shared in her sorrow and her grief and and you know those are the things that motivate us to continue speaking you know those deep. personal interactions are what causes us to talk against the people that are. or in charge that they don't they don't understand they haven't they haven't looks at this stuff this tragedy or suffering in the face in trying to mend it right. and you know this is where mr rogers we have this guy named mr rogers in the united states and he has this quote about always finding the helpers and my grandfather was a helper he was a minister and i want to be a helper and you know we have people like stanley who just died and we honor the heroes that he's created by living as those heroes would expect us to live right we know we are inspired by those things and part of the reason we have so much mental

health problems not only in the military of twenty two veterans a day that is reported killing themselves from all this all these conflicts if more than one third of the civilians in yemen are being destroyed or are more than civilians if i bitch it's closer to ninety percent imagine how many more veterans when they realize the tragedy of what they participated in like how they feel about themselves in why they're killing it's it's it's a tragedy all around brother brian thank you and we'll hear from unicef on the ground in yemen a target of u.s. u.k. back to high tech weaponry after the break as well as this week dr marty if we tried to fish and we tried everything all protests and now i feel it's necessary to take the streets and disrupt today's culmination of two weeks of protests across the british capital which have seen police advising people to drive along and u.k.i.p. have trays of lay it excuses every call bit of not reading at the m.p.'s all the

similar going on but to have going on the ground. cracking gave americans a lot of job opportunities i mean. to come up here to make some money i could make twenty five thousand dollars as a teacher or i could make fifty thousand dollars a year truck so i chose to drive a truck people rush to a small town in north dakota was an unemployment rate of zero percent like gold rush is very very similar to a gold rush but this beautiful story ended with pollution and devastation a lot of people have left here i don't know too many people here anymore just slow down too much the last jobs got laid off the american dream is changing that's not what it used to be. and it's a tough reality to. think

that i would want to go fast but inside i'm i'm dockside i think. going down to your next side that you can improve yourself. but it's also a better then job but i really believe that this good bottom that we show up side the story and depend. on our condition a lot. of. statistics from a couple excel came out that show the wealth and income gap around the world in different countries and then there's there's a you ask there's france and then there's the you can get here it's like wow this

stuff incredible spread between this concentration and then you've got the royalists are people there in the tory party who support the queen whose whole point of bragg's it was to support the queen ok so they just aerialist and a moron a policy because incredible poverty breaks it's all about supporting the queen and getting rid of their. we're all. going to see on the one circumstances that allowed for the emergence of this very very intense violence. i think that if we may get to his sons and even grandsons of darshan some point in the future it's primarily a political issue no argument has taken on minutes where you. are on this occasion and.

welcome back the u.s. u.k. back to warn yemen is arguably being one of the leading causes of what is now one of the worst humanitarian crisis in history with eighty five thousand children dead from famine according to a report from save the children fourteen million for their risk for a defacto british backed saudi that war well i'm now joined via skype from sanaa by unicef's resident representative in yemen michel reliant of thanks so much for coming on the show hopefully un the voice martin griffiths meeting with the who think community in the summer result in a ceasefire i hope so because table in that picture is that enough yemen can wait for much longer eleven million of them are already in dire need of human and that he understands and as you have seen in the media recently more than four hundred children nash suffering from should be acute month edition so this country needs peace now just the latest save the children they say conservative estimates of

eighty five thousand children under the age of five dead since twenty fifty mm does that sound reasonable as far as unicef thinks. well we know that the undefined mortality in the country east fifty six thousand children thirty year dying or preventable causes those are children on the fight. many of them can die obviously from one position on monday edition related courses. on the media appearing to be a dying of natural causes this is natural causes this famine no we mention preventable causes preventable causes like. like diarrhea like lack of nutrients those are preventable of course children dying but seen preventable diseases so they are not natural causes that month maybe someone made that very clearly and while the children getting food supplies the money to the crisis is so enormous that despite

everything that the un a disses are doing the funny thing is they don't have any more income they don't have any more food no job the super servants have not been paid in more than two years there is no more people are working in agriculture and discuss the stuff. in the economy crisis is increasing the prices of the very basic goods such as fuel and food so you can imagine that families don't have any more money anymore to even buy the very basics the saudis say that you don't need to import food via the data which is why they can the poor can be bombed with british warplanes and british weaponry because there are other ports to import food from well the main force in the country so they that everyone knows that eighty percent of the humanity that in the system is coming from the the so use essential that the port keeps functioning is open not only for food but also for fuel and feel is translated into what the water is just waiting to life if you wish not coming to the to the country from

what they actually feel what the facilities we not be walking and quartered are we . in the media i get my viewing every time unicef or other agencies talk about all of this. bombing or give me creases on the border a day that our three. for the bucket in the conflict a seat in the table to take more of because the children of yemen are dying so it is the moment right now for the bucket in the concrete all those that are supporting those parties to please find a solution to these conflicts and negotiate that he meant good to people on the table and on moving forward because the children can not wait any more. the you do congratulate the british government in giving lots of aid to yemen what even while it supports selling the bombs and warplanes we sang all day all day countries that are contributing to the today do the humanitarian crisis in in yemeni dump shal see

the funding that they are providing to the humanitarian response and if the un doesn't make a breakthrough with their own boy wasn't griffiths well we need peace so e.c. it's not too they need to be to morrow because the urgency of the country and the hard to explain you that the urgency is there that many more children are going to die if peace does not take place in the country even if find agreement is not reached on a thank you well protests in london this week haven't been about u.k. weapon sales for the war in yemen they have been about the end of the earth scotland yard issued a warning not to drive into the capital so severe have been the disruption from grassroots protests environmental campaigners extinction rebellion brought parts of central london to a standstill this morning the group wants the government to treat climate change and species extinction as a crisis fossil fuel economy is leading us towards not just the distinction of

animal species we're losing about two hundred day with the possible extinction of human life on this planet and in that circumstance the possibility we have to do everything in our power to stop it young people old people people just part about climate change and i think specially young people because they're going to be around to see the consequences section is something like literally concerning whole world and we need to do something about it at the moment people are just trying to get about their day to day lives you know and destruct and. that's not that's not benefit and don't believe in climate. change and i think these protests it's not a hundred percent justified to some people angry others are supportive and very one young woman said to me make a very happy i'm a. rushed by a lady a little bit by a group of them so voices they're from this week's extinction rebellion joining me now is someone who has been arrested for drugs this year for environmental group just clarify okla thanks for coming on the show what's the key inspiration behind

well today's call with a shot of these protests of the police say mean that people should we driving into the capital well obviously we had a big celebration last summer last weekend and taking those bridges and celebrating in love the idea of today's protest is that we come together in grief this is very serious situation. i think that the extinction of all of life on earth deserves a solemn response to so that's the approach that we're taking so i was being arrested four times for going to change it was i was taking part in nonviolent direct action civil disobedience with a group of people we were doing that to try and bring attention actually to the air pollution crisis in london which we all know is preaching legal limits and has done from with a decade or year yeah and forty thousand nationwide it's the world health organization believes it's one of the greatest threats to human life currently on the face of the planet. it was something that we did with great dedication and

certainty that we meant what we were saying and we did it at a time when there was that open consultation on pollution with city council government in london so we took a protest to his office repeatedly committed acts of disobedience to try to raise awareness about that situation and to get a meeting with him it's nice to have a labor man it would be nice to have a greener labor we actually got a meeting with his policy advisers but not with him personally so you could say it's a partial partial success and that from you were a long history because of i went on hunger strike as well this summer that was over the expansion of peter or paul that was a campaign that was directed to the they were party which we understood was the pivotal party. in. that would go through fourteen days ok well forty thousand dead nationwide she said from air pollution but the police said that more broadly or rather than drawing attention to

a climate of urgency you are hampering access to emergency vehicles what do you make about. well all we can do is apologize for the inconvenience that's being caused by these actions and again i don't think that any of us take it lightly that we're disrupting people's lives that we're making things difficult for anybody on the emergency services no i would like to add that we gave the police four days notice that we were going to block those bridges they were bridges that routinely blocked for other events we left mones open and the understanding that that would help and in terms of safety you personally go over for help the holdover train you design ideas jackets probably not just for safety just about well we i thought from working sustainable fashion and lecturing on the topic for a long time so we decided that i mean there's a huge problem in waste textiles waste clothing in general in this country and we decided that because i know a lot of high visibility clothing gets thrown away to waste and

a lot of it branded people want to get rid of it that we could repurpose that so the process of when i go into my private contract yes as you work with all of the body politic what exactly is the so that's something i work on with a friend of mine project which we developed together to turn the body into a place for political messaging and expression so that you can be embody a message we're trying to courage people to sort of in embody positive resistance what about the dangers of security service infiltration because there's an ongoing investigation into surveillance of jerry corbett and greenpeace and other problem viral mental. activist groups i think these days people understand that they're potentially under constant surveillance anyway we've all got a microphone in our pocket most of the day that apparently can be accessed remotely with the right equipment say so you know the idea behind working the way that

we have for the extinction rebellion is organized everything above ground you might know that most of our events go upon for. facebook we hold public meetings there's very little that gets kept a secret so as far as i'm concerned and infiltration to this movement that only find out what they can find out already if you know criticism or other messaging some criticisms of the mainstream media that you are the activists from extinction of being responsible for graffiti. yeah we have. enough to me use chalk spray which is a kind of pigment spray paint washes off very easily in fact if you spray it on to a window and then somebody enters the seeing to wipe that off we have had police walk towards them and say you're destroying evidence so please can you stop cleaning that window the point is to present something which is very soft which is disobedient enough to qualify as something that people might say that's illegal that's criminal damage but you but you open up a dialogue myspace when you make it something that actually it really isn't serious

serious criminal damage that the case with the energy department the department of energy yeah that spray paint was all chalk so it would have just washed off with a window cleaner sponge because that was of course about fracking i don't know whether you've kept up with this week there's been quite a lot of concern about nearby nuclear waste removal of the new christian road. what's your view of how the government is treating the whole fracking process up there i mean the government has sort of. gone are going to force tracking on to communities that said that they didn't want they forced it through when the public didn't want it the council didn't want it and as an energy policy therefore start on to communities so i think obviously not only is that. morally. in a democratic country but it's also the emissions of methane that come out of a fracking site that the poisoning of people's local water supplies the damage to

the water tables and the ground i mean it's you know there's so many reasons why fracking is not a good idea and what journalism is actually middle of. the quake's of organ money yet of course they would like to say that. i don't believe them and i felt like you. well u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn this week said environmental protection is critical and then he breaks it deal and his shadow chancellor john mcdonald says the queen could intervene to allow goldman to form a government if to resume fails to pass had deal in westminster about how regal is to resume as a becoming corbin leading in the u.k. opinion polls said as much of the role of bricks at secretary of state pm queues prime minister is apparently heading off to brussels today but the new breaks it secretary is another non travelling breaks it secretary who is apparently not going with her i wonder if the post is now i would have supposed is now an entirely ceremonial one. corbin then drew attention to another minister only just appointed

minister for northern ireland critical given may's dependence on else to party she offered a billion pounds to in return for this deal is a fight yeah it fails the prime minister's redlines fails labour's six tests. and i try to impress the new ones trying to impress the new northern ireland minister and the new nose on our minister who just hours before he was appointed said the day you is dead tourism a said goldman didn't read enough all he wants to do is to play party politics. these. days. calling kettle black into the minds of m.p.'s as a traitor may try to survive a story leader let the pm but she did resume transmission the right honorable gentleman is playing party politics he's opposing a deal he hasn't read not read dead deal or not be and he is also took place as

news came in about another suspected u.k. spy overseas this time on iran it's already university ph d. student matthew had his was arrested when he was leaving the u.a.e. how he completed his research into the impact of the arab spring on the u.a.e. foreign policy he had. been sentenced to life imprisonment for spying for the united kingdom a number of us will know the arnie of a former m i six officer who works in the outer office of the rule of the j. fox i rule over the u.a.e. he seemed to be referring to film a british soldier will tricks but then m i six does not comment on its former agents let alone those who serve tony blair perhaps a question for the u.a.e. maybe why it appears to be copying the us democrats trying to destroy donald trump employing form a u.k. spies given sag a script file and then exiled to live i think oh they certainly take on considerable personal risk but that's what this show will be about on monday when we investigate the future of everything and why it wasn't the russians on facebook

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twelve euros fifty a month. dozens are protesting in paris against the ever increasing price of fuel we still live pictures from police have used to get some water cannons against the demonstrators . not the difficulty opening my eyes because we've just been in the midst of all of this to you guys. but also the documents placed online by a hockey group suggest that.