hello and welcome to cross talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle what is the next step for the saga known as drags it also is a stage being said to finally end the syrian conflict and why is m i six scrambling to stop trying to. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have to me bobbie she's a political analyst with international and we have authored them choke he is deputy dean at the department of political science at moscow state university all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always prefer out there let me go to you first here well it's done at least this

stage of briggs at the european union has accepted to resumes deal the problem is it doesn't look like the deal has been accepted in her own country yet has to face parliament and there's a lot of. squabbling to say the least that it won't get through but what is the context of all of this here because you know i was trained as a historian we had the concept of the concert of europe we had balance of power in europe is that balance gone now well that this balance is not always the same me changes over time and i can remind you of the other times of shot a target is targeted to go all over when he tried to prevent the british accession to the use only when he was no longer president britain joined to join the european union europe european community european economy the european economy community and then that you have to buy your favorite one and also you know maybe now that he has to repeat said the next step of history we got back going. all the time when

british britain was. the european community but if we talk about nowadays developments i can say that. the british prime minister is trying to play a double game because there are too many stakeholders too many interests and i was sure there will be a deal and then there is a deal at all but we've talked about this before no deal is better than a compromise or a compromise but a new you know deal was not an option because any compromise is better than no deal because everyone will be worse off if there is no mark is the scenting i know that i know that looking. for a doctor i completely disagree and a deal that makes britain subservient to e.u. regulations and control without giving them any rep representation politically makes them a second class colony it's the worst of both worlds voters voted for brags that they get the e.u.

control and the lack of sovereignty that they want it away from and they don't get the economic benefits that they as strongly as they still might have liked so i see it as the absolute worst of boss will leave the parliament is going to have been well i think the viewers of all program know my e.u. so i feel kind of vindicated if you could prove to them i was suspicions sort of far and it was actually what happened was that the e.u. made it a sample you know they they wanted to make it as difficult for britain to relieve the winning was no no no no why wouldn't you i went and told that this was a free union of nisha it's based on the. foundations then of the previous models and now we see that this is a co-host which is not only because it was going on i think everybody understands it i think it's the hotel california you know you can never leave me here ok last word on this. at the same time followed very small but we over doing that

they said let's agree on principles and let's discuss details later so the devil may be in the details and british may negotiate and haggle of all the details that are favorable but the end of the day he can sign any piece of paper if he wants but parliament doesn't it is going to follow the law so we can know it isn't over and i just isn't that cool to cost forty eight goals. i think maybe my right is still i'm still wondering if if. this terrible deal rejected scenario is not intended to lead to and that's what we're going to reconnoitre that's really the market will probably be talking about this next week ok let's switch gears here but there is movement you wouldn't find this out in the mainstream media was going on with what's going on with moving towards peace. we're not moving towards peace in syria we've just moved to

a new and far more dangerous stage in the conflict and right now we essentially have a frozen conflict a three way mexican standoff between syria with their allies the russian government iran and hezbollah the guns regime and turkey backing the islamic jihad ists both officially their proxy forces on officially particularly in the province where there's a demilitarized zone and the u.s. backing the syrian democratic forces the which is largely the kurds the p.k. k. in eastern syria basically occupying eastern syria and of course syria is oil fields and this d.m.z. agreement between russia and turkey essentially with with the with the syrian government and the. jihadi rebels not actually being a party to the talks as far as anyone can tell. as we predicted on the show it's

completely falling apart for the same reason that every other deals want to part is that the rebels are all. there and there is ample evidence that the damascus government is preparing some kind of operation to begin the liberation of the well just. just just in their last week. their ball was warmed by with the koran and you know basically chemical weapons were used more likely by. it did not make big news in the west and dedication but it certainly made big news in syria i saw there not reporting that the rebels are attacking you this is the reason and there's a reason and the shells came from the from the supposedly peaceful demilitarized zone that they're united states and the you were so concerned about what made me especially angry was the fact that the united states imports sanctions on that oil

company and so that supplied fuel to syria can you imagine you know post-war europe one thousand nine hundred sixty nine hundred forty seven some would say all because we're not quite happy with the political situation in europe any company that supplies fuel to the devastated germany or to other countries would be penalize and this is exactly what this is exactly what michael said you know imposing the sanctions on the syrian and iranian and russian companies you said. today u.s. treasury action targeting the russia iran oil scheme to assad and finance his bar and hamas sends a clear message there are grave consequences for anyone sheep in oil to see it among us well he puts them together i guess. you carry a state that's certainly not. it doesn't mean taking haley will never leave what you have to. in order to justify. by the fact that the u.s.

is now sanctioning trade oil trade and there's no reason for the us to sanction. it while there is a reason of course it's occupying syria's oil fields and it doesn't want the syrian government getting oil told us they allow them rebuild their country so they're not allowed to import you are no longer allowed to collect to conduct. free trade global trade if it doesn't meet u.s. approval because if you conduct trade that doesn't meet u.s. approval you will now be sanctioned that's what i'm paying these entities and these companies are going to continue to do it irrespective of the saying this is why i always say if you want to go down the sanction rabbit hole your likelihood of success is quite limited. now well if we think about syrian conflict launched a kind of scale context i would say that even if not all of the situation is frozen and there are several several issues still that you mentioned there was only

agreement between a russia and turkey maybe with considering a serious approach but there were no other parties who are concerned about the conflict they were not involved until the making of this decision so they may prevent this decision from being implemented so a situation is very unstable and even if this conflict is frozen you to only gives time to both sides to accumulate to their potential target teen i want to i'm much more for the gauge went in the diplomacy and we still in istanbul we had mccrone we had merkel go there meet with the one with president putin. these initiatives are difficult but they're. they have traction and i believe it ok it has to happen there actually has been and i was even more traction with the arab governments with the u.a.e. talking about reestablishing a embassy in syria and this shows that the gulf states have basically given up the proxy war and they're coming to terms with sometimes the saudi written sort of

other things to think about you know. also when we say frozen conflict i said frozen conflict it's of course that's only rhetorical not actually frozen it's not the rebel jihad is al qaeda in our weekly conducting attacks took us to the west into love talking to the south into home our. and to the east into west aleppo with dimensions with these glory and artillery shells so it's only frozen by political agreement not to go direct russians are actually more russian are going to russia crossed a very important thresholds last week because the russian forty means the same. the wrigley and he was the united states of acting as an ally of the so-called islamic state at least on the territory of syria and from c.m. it's it's i think it was very painful for him because for years for me i mean for years and years that we would have cooperation with the united states by terrorists

now. only with the as we all are supposed to do marginally you can amend it all you want that's what you suppose i think i think i think it's a positive development because if you look at this situation mark is right u.a.e. is talking about reopening the embassy in turkey and the wrong perineal enormous. on doing something in syria you know for settlement who are who is absolutely insisting on regime change the e.u. and the united states supposedly the more civilized the western nations you know after everything we've gone through your mind last word before we go to break yeah well we're just entering a new stage of the conflict and be prepared that if there is a military operation extremely fortified territory with the turkish military heavily entrenched there along of their jihadi s. and it will be more difficult than tackling isis was this is why there is such reticence and it may lead to direct turkish russian and will return to this topic very soon here we're going to go to

a short break gentlemen and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with. us veterans who come back from war often tell the same stories. were going out for the people who were killing civilians they were not interested in the wellbeing of their own soldiers either they're already several generations of them so i just got this memo from the search that says we're going to attack and destroy the government in seven countries in five years americans pay for the wars with their money others with. if we were willing to go into harm's way and

willing to risk being killed for a war surely we can risk some discomfort for an easy for. me. i'm one of them but i think. we're buddies.

i don't want or i can't if i may as nation under that out of fear that yeah. it's feel that he has to keep. going i say he may have them with all the money that he i want to welcome aboard. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing some real news. and let me go to you mark i just speak real quickly because the stories ongoing and my six is trying to stop trump from releasing the pfizer warrants. in documentation because well they're implicated in and so we have u.k. meddling in the american election two thousand and sixteen i suppose. the

reason why trump decided not to release them in september like he said he would is that he's waiting for the moeller report mahler's could have his findings trump is going to have a trump card. to counter whatever findings that. in the british are furious about it yeah i mean there there is a danger of the u.k. being far more factually implicated in meddling in the us elections like like should have been obvious to anyone and their connections with the steel dossier and this being the basis for launching what would then become the mueller pro basically discrediting all of it so trumpet is playing for the best possible time i believe to release these and it will be a fact of lee our refutation not that we have any evidence that mueller has released any indictments or anything that would actually prove low hanging fruit

walking what the investigation was supposed to be about which was trumped russia collusion and you know we've got mad for for back taxes we've got a couple guys lying about things that weren't crimes and and you know that there's nothing serious in there but you know the there is still this holy grail mission that the mule report is supposed to discredit the trump administration and lead to a democratic party victory in two thousand and twenty if not impeachment beforehand and with the democrats again and again i keep seeing hillary clinton's name popping up as the only possible one who can be trapped in twenty twenty and up like this is you know the definite the the you know common definition of madness doing things again and again and expecting it to her. political has a very powerful cards to play if you once well it's very simple you know the whole story is just made up what you heard first on this program

a little i'm going to continue i mean and the point is that fortunately m i six is the last institution that is not biased in the whole of this situation i mean would have credit for all they expect. splitting that dog. from their head over the british general stop mark cult and you know that you know by six that's not that my six but then that's the guy who is supposed to be walking together with my sister leverage military so here's what he says russia is much more dangerous than the islamic state russia has embarked on a systematic effort to explore and exploit western vulnerabilities but securely in some of the nontraditional areas of cyber space undersea was fair and equal but you remember their idea that russia was somehow going to cut the cables connecting europe to the united states and this is serious you know it was stated as fact

this do finance ministry is obviously it was. a date myself this was said in the one nine hundred eighty s. where they have the get gas pipelines to believe this then you're going to believe russia you can believe anything i think harvard put it very well or no on the page he rolled it's not too late for some institutions like the new york times and c.n.n. to change our want to their editors and producers and go back to reporting they really instead of functioning as it brought meals for every out sounding d.-a genes but what they gave humanity is departments and of course well the problem is that they won't stop acting as if the interesting thing is that we hear from the british defense establishment that russia is a real threat but six is doing everything it came into effect regime change in the united states so that is that what you do to friends. you know.

we had to switch gears here g. twenty is coming up in the reason we're mentioning the g. twenty is that there is going to be well some interesting red faces i'm going to imagine with some of the guests that i think you know or i'm going well i think the murder of cop. it has already changed and then we do least because quietly quietly the seed lifted so this man did not die for nothing quietly quietly. saying that it was the crew war that he would cut short due to the royal family you know us the us and diligent and get into the real world of yeah i mean you can justify anything when we could make a super program on who makes the world crew exam question you know but i mean this is going to be very interesting here is that the the the fact is that trump administration wants to rehabilitate the saudi crown prince and it's coming up

against a lot of resistance yeah i mean trump is basically ignoring this dossier so i just like this there would have been quicker i think it's actually pretty safe and he said i was going to give having carer's right now but you know so i guess that and i mean there is a point i mean it's obvious that a soggy wasn't in an innocent journal he was a player he was a protege of the former intelligence chief of a former presume the crown prince and he was evidently involved in all kinds of initiatives with the cia to lay the groundwork against muhammad been zob and so i mean you know with that with n.g.o.s and initiatives that he was setting up so he was a player you know of course that doesn't excuse what he did and trump is obviously following along with his you know campaign rhetoric which was saudi arabia and israel first or something like that. but i mean there is what you're talking about of the g. twenty is is of course a mahomedan saw and it's going to be around trying to go around and smiling and

shaking hands and pretending like nothing happened i think to just you know. play you know what he did i think he ought to sit down at the table in the g. twenty and just lay our bones sawed out on the table and say our come on martin you know but the point is that trump said wes payne didn't wear stained. or visually he was standing there at the table when they would do these things you know he was not just playing didn't buy he's saying that he is then didn't we wake up. we the government of ukraine what it is about in the in the interesting thing here is that it's the kind of the oddity of trump's characterizations. murder and the regime in riyadh is that he's basically saying his words reflect reality because foreign policy is not based on values it's based on us interests ok sure he said. he

said in a very awkward way but he's probably the first president to separate said it and that's really kind of interesting in itself it's refreshing in a way well in a weird way you have marked change so for me ok president trump is still a business prisoners man he's very pragmatic so he does feel so we're certainly used transactional everything that is so business first. in this case he i think it tries to create as much uncertainty as possible saying maybe yes maybe no we don't know exactly who is guilty who is nort why the decision was made and so on so for him to but that's really odd rhetoric from a guy that always know what's right and what's wrong i mean that's the only topic i think he's ever come across like he was all so much like he wants to keep any option open for him and for what he's for the steps the market is. something that's going to. pull troops or foreign policy initiatives in the middle east down i mean the great the great bargain with the israelis the saudis i mean

you know it's only two people now you know it's bibi netanyahu in trouble that are . so i mean orders of the crown prince and yeah and netanyahu i think is certainly doing a lot to prevent the behind closed doors to prevent and discourage the u.s. from doing anything and let's be perfectly honest. told in rhetoric are you know one thing but no other u.s. president is going to substantially decrease u.s. relations with saudi arabia because of this they they simply would have might have preferred to see a different evil crown prince so you know in saudi arabia but all is not. here because with these saudi arabia was clearly counting on these oil sanctions against iran and other countries remember the backdrop of all of this that israel and saudi arabia want is the u.s. to go to conflict with iraq or right and these oil waivers that trump granted its

allies you know you know japan turkey iraq saudi arabia you know well it only got one right but you know india and china countries that obviously weren't going to fall in any way has dropped the oil price because the markets were expecting these sanctions and the oil price went up and now it dropped another twenty dollars a barrel saudis are very unhappy about this because they're but budget is still very precariously balanced and overspent so they're very they think that the trump administration has betrayed them by granting waivers to its allies when it was counting on a high oil price to carry it through well there may be a way we're still some of the allies by michael pounds for the vice president to use some very tough rhetoric against china right because of the another interesting meeting exactly and that's what the g. twenty. story with oil prices. has said that we slapped arius on the cheney's groups vote with two hundred fifty billion dollars and we

want china to change its behavior well that's a nice way to put. you know russia and china they have to behave like normal nations this is what we do and you know it's you know it's a little bit of what you're saying countries actually that's a good question about that i think a lot of the all of us on our team what does it mean exactly behaving like a normal state that taking the rug you know what is it. saying that they don't see but see the american political elite don't see they can't see the irony in it all because this kind of moral righteousness ok again going back to trump's kind of weird transparent. reflections and descriptions of u.s. relations with saudi arabia i mean he doesn't use this word we're doing it for human rights we're doing it for democracy he's not said that ok but someone like pensive stripe certainly does believe that because only the american way is the

only way it is the only right way the point is that. russia and china have to survive together in this situation because both targeted by the united states and all their attempts to cut the deal somehow separate yourself from the american going left the station it's impossible so i think these g. twenty meeting and meeting will show what the real objects to positional forces if china tries to survive alone well the interesting thing is that trump leaves that the u.s. should lead but we'll end on this note if you were fewer people are following ok that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests here of moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk.

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are actually shrinking inside their heads the skull gets thicker in the brains gets smaller. the pain is indescribable it's feels like a really really bad chemical burn but it goes through your skin in your muscle all the way down to the bone and there's no really. we're just not sure this is but just. on this young the line circumstances that's a load for the emergence of this very very eventful violence i think that we may get the sons and even grandsons of died at some point in the future it's primarily a political issue in iraq that has taken on minutes where you. are on the traditions . when a loved one is murdered it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i

would prefer and it mean when the death penalty just because. that's the fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict is found innocent the idea that we were executing innocent people is terrifying the is just no really hasn't been that we hear even many of the times families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families want to that's going to give them peace that's going to give them justice and we come in and say. not quite enough we've been through this this isn't the way. i really want to say.

three days. a week then that final say the reason she knew. this was. really the start. of. the deal we have agreed to stay on knox a bright future for the u.k. u.k. prime minister to resign may gets that you use seal of approval for divorce terms chanelle faces a tough challenge ahead convincing a hostile public on parliament back home that it is the best deal of russian military chemist's a straight talk six substances were used in an assault on syria's i love poem on friday on the pro.