grid speeches to wall street international banks that she hid from the public and which were exposed by wiki leaks and the dns e-mails not only revealed clinton attempts to conceal economic policies but also a strategy to take down the campaign of socialist bernie sanders as a son said on this program twenty thousand d.n.c. the mouse that would be. ok so they from debbie wasserman schultz head of the d.n.c. and six. prominent people finance communications and so on. so what they show is that within the d.n.c. there was a you know unity of the. most senior people including debbie wasserman schultz. to act. against bernie sanders in the past few days british police were challenged to reveal possible links to u.s. law enforcement agencies themselves investigating the trump presidency during proceedings about three miles from the studio president trump was asked about the

world's most famous prisoner now under detention by the u.k. government as determined by the u.n. . i don't know what to think about it really i don't know much about i really don't why would he after all this. week. that was before he appointed a u.s. secretary of state he said wiki leaks was a hostile intelligence service as for this country prime minister tourism a famously called for a hostile environment it would end up with a successor as home secretary on the road resigning over the windrush mass deportation of people of color from britain rudd is now back overseeing a welfare system damned by the united nations for creating poverty but does a hostile environment continue i'm joined now by a well to romeo and his daughter rachelle thanks both for coming on although first of all what happened to you after living in britain for nearly sixty years british one hundred fifty four arrived in england one hundred fifty nine my ancestors

were given british citizenship water slide masses. for. the abolishment of slavery. calling these. automatically british subjects because we had no way to go on and i come from. and take it was a breeding call me so you can imagine we had no rights my answer is this had no rights they were. meant to work in the fields we were treated like animals greatly we had no pal my problem started when i lost my possible into about nineteen ninety six i then applied for another possible in two thousand and five taking nothing over ten take a possible number which i think nineteen on percent of the population doesn't even

know the possible it took a thirteen years to get a buzz so we thirteen years to come. people. people who thought i had arrived about you got to remember i'm on these subjects i'm alive and i would say also my little subjects' they also want the house for my national insurance number my finite mind actually enjoying somebody's reply back nothing from my shit. i've done jury service i left school at sixteen. i had the right to vote i had everything. and then the greatest possible charles house because of all this for more than a decade you weren't allowed to travel that's what i saw miss weddings funerals. missed my father this renewal and then she got my sister in the last few new husbands you know can visit them couldn't visit my nieces and nephews yes i was

a total bad time you've been is the edge of for me. so with that concept. it's one of those situations where you can open the doors you've got to prove who you up if you prove who you are they don't listening will use that because the next stage i mean i don't know whether to tell the story to but how did he tell you that he ends up with a letter threatening him with attention so you because it's been going on for such a length of time it was unbelievable initially so in two thousand and five dad applied for his possible which got started i think just that been reports the police and everything so true that time he was kind of jumping through hoops and stuff to kind of do what the home office also for and the possible office because they don't seem to talk to each other so they were by if they'd been my father things when we got the let's sell it we made it really real you know what it is

yeah it was like if you don't report to with the house this the home office at the . time when amber rudd is there they said that beckett house if you don't i report to you take a will come looking for you know it was like talking about you know i was fourteen and because i was you take your father's nationalities well it's always really fight in my father's like my best friend it's a big part of my life and you're going to break up a family for the sake of that you can't do your job properly or or refusing to do your job properly we've been conditioned as a community and been fragmented. and you know of. stand up to authority to a degree with us laws and all these different things since we've been in this country so then this just seemed that cannot are something to get asked by you know just and it's most strange to me or what she the bigger picture was just in terms of advice for anyone going through this right now and being in this system you did

eventually get out of the through the system by to get through because it was there i found my paperwork. if i my all possible in the system i found the possible i came over with with my mother everybody record is there and i went the i just threw the i u g's out politicians always a closed their brain could look white they never look back at history this is not the first time people of color it's been said by. different places just fine i know that you didn't really want to talk to the media about the whole process and didn't really want to do that but what made you change your mind was it richelle was it's . obviously on the right is now she's just been promoted to just state and she has time abroad because prime minister when i was first approached it seemed like this is. pretty. i didn't have my head around the guy i didn't have an

understanding for jordan to work with other weird rushes and realize in the situation is quite different from most because i had the possible and whatever happened happened some of them didn't hope possibles some of them had books in this country for forty or fifty is a my plight with that is how can the government i don't now these people stifle. i'm in pull the rug from underneath them they have spent most of their i don't live in this country they've got rentals in this country you remember when this country was built it was built on immigration you got the saxons in by the romans and so forth so who is danish we will be british of one form or another and i don't think that's what they took it ok because of the wind brush action great. helps a great deal so i have an understanding of those people's plight well the richelle thank you thank you very much for having us. well we just heard from two people

argue least till dealing with resumes hostile environment i'm joined now by former labor council to hackney and when drugs campaign a petty. vernon has just launched a new petition to the british government stating there should be no cap all image of god given to people like a welder and rachelle thanks so much matter of going on so we're i don't know what your immediate reaction was but words of confidence do you have a number road disgraced windrush could be returning to government overseeing universal credit as the compensation of the windows scandal continues by the home office or obviously as minister she had responsibility for the implementation of the hostile environment she took of the mantle from theresa may and she resigned about may time because she broke the ministerial code because she lied to parliament and she admitted that she couldn't have a handle on what was happening the home office and four months later for her to be appointed as such a state for work pensions face to all those victims of them in

a scandal because for two main reasons firstly the government will be proposing a compensation scheme in the martin for q.c. has been advising the government on this and one of the key issues the compensation scheme and lots of petition because my concern was that the government might put a cap on all claims. been affected by scandal and this someone is on universal credits or receiving state pension which administered by the that we pay obviously under rudd been the central state would have some degree of influence and responsibility i believe the compensation scheme of someone who has been affected by when a scandal who was refused benefits or the state pension because of them not proving that they were british and that's been sorted out they should be given the full compensation for the financial loss the lot of the loss in terms of benefits accrue to them and close nor whereby on the road who would oversee in the hostile environment in a new job such

a state could turn run say to the home office or to the treasury actually i'm not in the i will make sure that people still being penalised for. receive benefits because the because work up after what people want is justice they want to be firstly to sort out those people who operatives so that kind of their status sorts that for once or for in my petition i did six months ago it was automatic status because as a explain the state has everything on this the have more information public up don't except for facebook but they have on this from pension records our school records employment you know so therefore there's no need for rushes to. build the paper to prove the pretties their petition and secondly to have a fair compensation scheme for the emotional and financial loss that people have endured when we just heard that there seems to be a moment of race involved in this whole saga invented as a job it is now revealed some wrongly deported have since died and they don't have

records on the numbers that have died since people have been wrongly deported yes eleven people have over there but have died two have died in the u.k. o'connor and text of restore so i think it's outrageous it's one of the biggest miscarriages of justice for a very long time and you raise money for their funerals and top of that because the government refused from this whole scandal even the ten thousand times they refused to have a heart fund or an interim payments so i looked through go fund me work as we go for me to look raise fuel costs with extra restore. on behalf of his mother misoprostol and also for sarah connor some of us in fact the public the public understood the plight they make contributions and on top of that i'm working with a charity called you i don't comes with of immigrants and we launched a windows justice fund raise about sixty thousand pounds because when we go out small grant secure into groups who are advising people around the status because a lot people even now a lot people have come forward to the home office because the launch was the

obvious which will encourage people to get legal advice support systems before their concert the home office obviously the conversation. to link them for those who have died but. have been tended to presume you'll recall all those talking about missing funerals and weddings and yes because what can you possibly call for more than a decade of that kind of it's hard to fall who's accused been appointed by the government he's looked into all the. victims of the when the scandals trumped up and down the country just trying to find out that look at the rose it's difficult because each case is different how do you what. someone who's died who started a hypertension or cardiac arrest because they were trying to prove the british how much. someone. not allowed to travel for about ten fifteen years and some people who are not allowed to come back into the u.k. at all just just finally what would you say them to do to raise a baby who i'm not sure she actually apologized for what she said in the context of

her hostile environment speech she's apologized to the victims of when rush but she's not apologize her policy and her policy has led to the scandal so until she apologizes that will be part of that plant was be with her respectable promised or not thank you after the break twenty four hours after a meeting of the e.u. twenty seven to decide on a final break that agreement we ask or that. liberalism arguably made the referendum result in a teachable well there's more going on but you have going on the ground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have crazy confrontation

let it be an arms race. very dramatic developments only the. i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and. somehow want. to go to the press it's like a book for three of them or can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of my. question.

i'm one of them but i think it's ended up by one names we're buddies. one of them one night you should have been there so. i didn't want that or i think that's i mean yes i knew she needed out of here to yeah she. gets killed and i did she came down to the night he made a move on to follow the man that he i want to go to before i don't know. welcome back leaders of twenty seven e.u. countries met in brussels in the last twenty four hours to determine the future of

brics it but how did it come to this new book aims to dispel the neoliberal myth that it was all about immigration over the to be uprooted. laying the blame at the feet of neoliberalism itself the book is the future of everything big adventures ideas for a better world and its author tim joins me now via skype from australia tim thanks for coming on so you think it's forty is policies not so much the russians or facebook advertising that got britain voting to leave the european union i think without a doubt expand the sign and here where you know we're getting new stories about the why the russians bought affecting you know trying to spread bad news about muslim it in aggression and everything and my argument on that would be you don't need russian books to be spreading that it's a mash we've got a government that's doing it at the moment we've got my gin news outlets that are very happy to spread misinformation. about muslim immigration etcetera sark

and all of that is. connected to this forty years of the chinese as in have got the wire saudis organise under the influence of now liberalism i think and if one aspect of new liberalism is as you show it to be is is the prioritise a should have individual is a particular sort of individual isn't it so why spend hard to this notion of trade on acquiring to choice in a market plot and i think that's a very limited idea of what freud i'm actually is and the not sure of the now liberal project is that it commodifies things that probably shouldn't because commodified or hadn't traditionally bank modified so everything from education to child care that sort of thing so you end up with you know they're no longer describe to students they're described as customers or as cloth. and that sort of thing and so it's an individual his own that's very much to find within market and

i should have this i there's a lot of joy in this book because the joys in fact the last chapter but there's also obviously a lot of sadness to the graeme felt our inquiry is going on here into the worst how a book fire since the blitz you you talk about it as an example in the context of david cameron former british prime minister telling the u.k. he would kill off the quote from and kill off health and safety culture for good take us through that it's an incredible what is not only not you know you hear it in the context in which he said it and it's you know it's a get tough on red tide and you know let's have smaller government and open up this entrepreneurial spirit that i've been talking about but then you say the actual effects of that in something like the grenfell carol far and it's a tragedy and it's. exactly that winding back at the start of the controls on things like the cladding but i want buildings mike can show that this site that

said truck. is inevitably the. this kind of now. and that the national that this is in sing in a thread is kind of a sick charkha thing and you accuse new liberal governments of using the public's disorientation to implement what naomi klein has been on this show calls the shock doctrine. yes exactly it's as as it might things worse it uses that on the deteriorating circumstances in order to reinforce the program that i want to do you know it's that old story of never let a disaster go to a wise sort of thing so when people are really concerned and put off on the circumstances in which by far themselves that it actually marks the moment if you will and we're saying governments do this you know on a regular basis i think especially around things like national security yeah and

that manipulation you go into as regards media which you see as a. construct you compare fox news i'm sure they deny it to to nazi propaganda but the interesting thing here is you say there's a conscious appeal to smaller audiences on t.v. who have a have a more hardcore philosophy i think it's really interesting are caught. the managing director of fox news at the time talking about that and he likes the point that you're much better off having a small daily data kind of kind of minority ago a group of people who follow you anywhere sort of thing then to have a wishy washy majority in your support and fox news works very much on that. on that national it targets that particular right wing conservative view of in the united states and it's been incredibly successful at doing that and you know it's

not just a political propaganda tool doubts definitely that it's also a pretty good business model in the past few days tim berners the the greater the world wide web has been complaining about monopoly media coming through the internet as it were jeremy corbin apparently wants to have some control over the multi-billion dollar internet companies you do consider them as public utilities that come to be regulated so much as being nationalize. it's absolutely i think there is this real issue is around breaking the law because actually the why the work is advantages in shaping the big in that sense but they've they've really become you know we talk about banks thing but it took it to file i think the face companies becoming is to take place i spoke is the county too big to bait a product company it's simply too much power in a communications saints in the hands of an individual company and within that company mark zuckerberg and so he's particularly powerful because of the watch on

the voting options were within five he really does have alternate control and i just think that's a very dire situation for a lot proceed to get into yet given democracy is at the heart of the book what would you do with our bows of lords for instance well that has a lot is a really interesting example of the. section on government that i talk about in the book i've put forward this idea that's called sore titian which is the idea of having a non-elected have us saw talk about it in the most striking context for instance perhaps converting asin it to a normal act of house so instead of bossing for a senator. you would on a random run tied in by success in the in the same way that we do jury judy you would allow ordinary people to have a role within the senate rather than thought to mean and but you know it's kind of occurs to me that you sort of do that already in britain with the with the house of

lords it's an unelected behalf the only thing is you restrict it so that all who awards it you know it would actually be a reasonably incremental chimes. so old so that so the bigger ranch of people were allowed in not quite i think if this is quite a basis on of the sense of. rage building democracy from the ground up letting ordinary people into those positions. you think that in this local people's house the as a lloyds would be less likely to say see that fundamental economic statistic g.d.p. as being the best metric to measure civilization well i think it opens up the opportunity to give people the chance to consider alternatives to things like jaded now judy plays a is a useful measure it's the what it's one of the whys in which the stipe is idle to say itself in a statistical sense you know it reduces the complexity of the economy and society

to something that we can hold in the hands of it welcome mat dolls to geography and that's a useful thing but the trouble with jaded tape is that it only measures very particular things and there's a lot of important things that it was an hour including most of the informal economy you know so the stuff that we do. in our house also when we volunteer in society etc etc doesn't measure those things it doesn't measure the good we do in dollars why is it only measures you know income and growth and that sort of stuff and you know stites. if you don't measure it by don't say it sort of thing so. you end up with a very narrow our focus on what counts as important in society what counts as important is the stuff that you measure so it sort of makes sense for him chris the things that we measure and we're saying you know we're actually saying a number of governments doing this new zealand's experimenting with the happiness

index of the moment increasing the runs of things that they put it looks at italy's experimenting with what i call naturally they call little choice if they saw mischa as well start starts looking at improving the wiat or broadening the why that i measure what constitutes. an economy and i think that's a really good think so in the context as you saw with that with the house of lords this is a. exactly the sort of the bite that you could happen you could have experts come in and talk to the members of the people's house on about this sort of stuff and you know what they might that sort of decision pretty sure fellini was being ironic would alter but given the climate change given that the climate change blog is taking you seem to be favoring a change from within like like you just said there with that with the people's house you don't accept the real change is only ever really a good. through political violence that is

a very strong argument that that's true i think it's probably a slight exaggeration but those really fundamental charges especially around things like equality tend to only happen when those who really benefit from the laws. mismeasure those that happen in society when they it's sort of taken at of the question and that you know that tends to page in walls and revolutions and haven. you know apply and that sort of thing so when society fundamentally collapses for one reason or another so you know we kind of had to go through two world wars to get to the point in the in the post-war period the fifty's and sixty's where inequality really kind back to a manageable levels and we kind of had you know people's you know i think it's an exaggeration to call it a golden period but it was a it was of the teacher would period of relative quality my argument in the book is

that i would prefer not to go through that sort of valmont chimes and so on twenty four art is a process for which we can avoid that thoughts because you know i sort of like pretty clear in the book that i think that's the alternative if if we don't mike there's the citizens s.-o. and actually typed it in hand. then we are relating to fault him done well thank you that's it for the show we're back on wednesday with coverage of this week's russia breakthrough business forum is about giving the releases stress tests for barclays h.s.b.c. lloyds nationwide and very often until then people talk to us i will be with you on wednesday twenty eight years to the day margaret thatcher responsible for widespread financial deregulation that arguably sowed the seeds for the two of you a crash resigned as u.k. prime minister.

on this young the lying circumstances that allowed for the emergence of this very very long form violence i think that we may get the sons and even grandsons of direst at some point in the future it's primarily a political issue in iraq that has taken on minutes really. an armature cations. negative place called camp sundown again for people that can't well side and they're like so tired. like a safe house i guess they don't have to talk about what they go through with us because we understand her daughter katie was diagnosed with a very rare son sensitive condition if i get sunburned i heal she doesn't feel

patients are going to have problems with the want to talk to your son the brains that are actually shrinking inside their head the skull gets thicker in the brain still small. the pain is indescribable it's feels like a really really bad chemical burn but it goes through your skin into your muscle all the way down to the bone and there's no really. we're just not sure this is but just. when a loved one is murdered it's natural to seek the death penalty for the murder i would prefer it be the death penalty just because i think that's a fair thing the right thing research shows that for every nine executions one convict is found innocent the idea that we may. sure executing innocent people is

terrifying who's just moved to the present and that we hear even many of the times families want the death penalty to be abolished the reason we have to keep the death penalty here is because that's what murder victims' families want that's going to give them peace it's going to give them justice and we come in saying. not quite you know we've been through this this isn't the way. it's always top stories here we're not the international ukraine's president has called on his country's parliament to consider declaring a module in response to russia detaining three ukrainian naval ships on sunday just off the coast of crimea. future for the u.k. call us or about technical difficulty that the u.k. prime minister to resign may actually has not received be used to see.