hello and welcome to cross talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle what is the next step for the saga known as drags it also is a stage being said to finally end the syrian conflict and why is m i six scrambling to stop trying to. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have to me she's a political analyst with international and we have authored them choke he is deputy dean at the department of political science at moscow state university all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate other let me go to you first here well it's done at least this stage of brags that the european union has accepted to resumes deal the

problem is it doesn't look like the deal has been accepted in her own country yet has to face parliament and there's a lot of. squabbling to say the least that it won't get through but what is the context of all of this here because you know i was trained as a historian we had the concept of the concert of europe we had balance of power in europe is that balance gone now well that this balance is not always the same made me changes over time and i can remind you of the times of shot a target is targeted to go all over when he tried to prevent the british accession to the use only when he was no longer president britain joined to join the european union europe european community european economy he would be a great konami community and then that you have to buy your favorite one and also you know maybe now that he has to repeated the next step of history we go going back to that time when british britain was out of the european commune. but if we

talk about nowadays developments i can say that. the british prime minister is trying to play a double game because there are too many stakeholders too many interests and i was sure there will be a deal and then there is a deal at all but we've talked about this before no deal is better than a compromise or a compromise but a new you know deal was not an option because any compromise is better than no deal because everyone will be worse off if there is not ok mark is the scenting i know that i know that. for a doctor i completely disagree and a deal that makes britain subservient to either you regulations and control without giving them any rep representation politically makes them a second class colony it's the worst of both worlds voters voted for brags that they get the e.u. control and the lack of sovereignty that they want it away from and they don't get

the economic benefits that they as strongly as they still might have liked so i see it as the absolute worst of books will leave the parliament is going to have been well i think the viewers of all program know my good to you so i feel kind of vindicated if you could prove to them i was suspicions sort of far and i wouldn't tell you what happened was that the e.u. made it a sample you know they they wanted to make it as difficult for britain to leave the winning was no no no no why wouldn't they and i went and told that this was a free union of need based on the. foundation stone of the previous models and now we see that this is a co-host which is not only was going on i think everybody understood that i think it's the hotel california you know you can never leave me here ok last word on this the same time they followed very smart way of doing that. they

said let's agree on principles and let's discuss details later so the devil may be in the details and british may negotiate and haggle of all the details that are favorable but the end of the day he can sign any piece of paper as long as parliament doesn't it is going to follow the law so we can know it isn't over and i just isn't that cool to forty eight goals. i think maybe in my writing still i'm still wondering if if. this terrible deal rejected scenario is not intended to lead to and that's why we're going to reconvene that's really the market will probably be talking about this next week ok let's switch gears here but there is movement well you wouldn't find this out in the mainstream media was going on with what's going on with moving towards peace. we're not moving towards peace in syria we've just moved to a new and far more dangerous stage in the conflict and right now we essentially

have a frozen conflict a three way mexican standoff between syria with their allies the russian government iran and hezbollah the guns regime and turkey backing the islamic jihad ists both officially their proxy forces on an officially particularly in province where there's a demilitarized zone and the u.s. backing the syrian democratic forces the which is largely the kurds the p.k. k. in eastern syria basically occupying eastern syria and of course syria's oil fields and this d.m.z. agreement between russia and turkey essentially with with the with the syrian government and the. jihadi rebels not actually being a party to the talks as far as anyone can tell as we predicted on the show it's completely falling apart for the same reason that every. other deals want to part

is that none the less the rebels are all. there and there is ample evidence that the damascus government is preparing some kind of operation to begin with liberation of aleppo well just. just just in their last week. their ball was warmed by. the koran and you know basically chemical weapons were used more likely by. it did not make big news in the western television but it certainly made big news in syria i saw there not reporting that the rebels are attacking you this is the result and there's a reason and the shells came from the area from these supposedly peaceful demilitarized zone that they're united states and the you were so concerned about what made me especially angry was the fact that the united states imports sanctions on that oil company or so that supplied fuel to syria can you imagine you know

post-war europe one hundred forty six one hundred forty seven some would say all because we're not quite happy with the political situation in europe any company that supplies fuel to the devastated germany or to other countries would be penalize and this is exactly what this is exactly what michael pumping all said you know imposing the sanctions on the syrian and iranian and russian companies who said. today u.s. treasury action targeting the russia iran. assad and finance his bar and hamas sends a clear message there are grave consequences for anyone sheep in oil to see it among us well he puts them together i guess what he meant that i think kerry's statement is certainly not. it doesn't mean taking halley will never leave what you have. just in order to justify the fact that the u.s. is now sanctioning trade. there's no reason for the u.s.

to sanction. it while there is a reason of course it's occupying syria's oil fields and it doesn't want the syrian government getting oil told us they allow them to rebuild their country so they're not allowed to import you are no longer allowed to collect to conduct free trade global trade if it doesn't meet u.s. approval because if you conduct trade that doesn't meet us approval you will now be sanctioned that's what i'm paying because i mean these entities and these companies are going to continue to do it irrespective of the sanctions this is why i always say if you want to go down the sanction rabbit hole your likelihood of success is quite limited. you know well if we think about syrian conflict launched a kind of scale context i would say that even if not all of the situation is frozen and there are several several issues still that you mentioned there was only agreement between a russia and turkey maybe with considering a serious approach but there were no other parties who are concerned about the

conflict they were not involved until the making of this decision so they may prevent this decision from being implemented so a situation is very unstable and even if this conflict is frozen you to only gives time to both sides to accumulate their potential targeting i want to i'm much more for the gauge went in the diplomacy we still in this number we had mccrone we had merkel go there meet with the one with president putin. these initiatives are difficult but they're. they have traction and i believe it ok it has to happen there actually has been and i was even more traction with the arab governments with the u.a.e. talking about reestablishing a embassy in syria and this shows that the gulf states have basically given up the proxy war and they're coming to terms with sometimes the saudi written sort of other things to think about you know. also when we say frozen conflict i said

frozen conflict it's of course that's only rhetorical not actually frozen it's not the rebel jihad is al qaeda in our weekly conducting attacks took us to the west into law thought. to the south into hamas and to the east into west aleppo with the imagines with these glorying artillery shells so it's only frozen yes by political agreement not to go direct russians are actually more russian they're going to rush across the very important threats hold last week because the russian foreign minister say. there regularly and use the united states of acting as an ally or the so-called this one. at least on the c.v. and from c.m. it's it's i think it was very painful for him because for years probably had been very serious the year that we would have cooperation with the united states by terrorists now. only with the as we all are supposed to do mark and you can amend

it all you want to that's what do you suppose i think i think i think it's a positive development because if you look at this situation marcus right u.a.e. is talking about reopening the embassy in turkey and the wrong perineal amos. on doing something in syria you know for settlement who are who is absolutely insisting on regime change the e.u. and the united states supposedly the most civilized the western nations you know after everything we've gone through in my last word before we go to break yeah well we're just entering a new stage of the conflict and be prepared that if there is a military operation extremely fortified territory with the turkish military heavily entrenched there along of their jihadi and it will be more difficult than tackling isis was this is why there is such reticence and it may lead to direct turkish russia where it will return to this topic very soon here we're going to go to a short break gentlemen after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stay with.

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on the sea on the line circumstances that's a load for these emergencies of this very varied in tone violence i think that we may get the sons and even grandsons of guys at some point in the future it's primarily a political issue in iraq that has taken on minutes where you put on the for occasions. new to quote sounding. i'm a little but i think ended up by a cool little one but when there's

a real body. they will go out on. one of them one night he should have anissa. put them down i don't want that or i can just only as high and nation to know that i won't have to hear that a yank question boom he could feel that he had a chicken dad going i would never move out of one of the one that he i want to go to before i had a. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter a well to remind you we're discussing some real news.

and let me go to you mark i just speak real quickly because the stories ongoing and my six is trying to stop trump from releasing the face of warrants. in documentation because well they're implicated in and so we have u.k. meddling in the american election two thousand and sixteen i suppose. the reason why trump decided not to release them in september like he said he would is that he's waiting for the report miller's going to have his findings trump is going to have a trump card. to have to counter whatever findings that molar and the british are furious about it yeah i mean there there is a danger of the u.k. being far more factually implicated in meddling in the us elections like like should have been obvious to anyone and their connections with the steel dossier and this being the basis for launching what would then become the mueller probe

basically describing all of it so trump it is playing for the best possible time i believe to release these and it will be a fact of lee a refutation not that we have any evidence that mueller has released any indictments or anything that would actually prove low hanging fruit walking what the investigation was supposed to be about which was trumped russia collusion and you know we've got mad for it for back taxes we've got a couple guys lying about things that weren't crimes and and you know that there's nothing serious in there but you know the there is still this holy grail mission that the mule report is supposed to discredit the trump administration and lead to a democratic party victory in two thousand and twenty if not impeachment beforehand and with the democrats again and again i keep seeing hillary clinton's name popping up as the only possible one who can be dropped in twenty twenty and i'm like i

don't know if this is you know the different the the you know common definition of madness doing things again and again and expecting a different theme and so trump has some political has some very powerful cards to play if he wants well it's very simple you know the whole story is just made up what you heard first on this program ok how long can. i mean. the point is there unfortunately m i six is the last institution that is not biased in that all of this situation i mean we have heard from the explain that. if we cut from their head of the british general stock market you know that you know by six that's not that my six but that's that's the guy who is supposed to be working together with them i certainly have british military agency so here's what he says russia is much more dangerous than this one next date russia has embarked on a systematic effort to explore and exploit western vulnerabilities but securely in

some of the nontraditional areas of cyber space undersea warfare and the whole well you remember their idea that russia was somehow going to cut the cables connecting europe to the united states and this is serious you know it was stated as fact this defense censorious obviously it was. a date myself this was said in the one nine hundred eighty s. where they have the get gas pipelines to believe this then you're going to believe russia you can believe anything i think. put it very well or no on the edge he rolled it's not too late for some institutions like the new york times and see and to change our will to their editors and producers and go back to reporting they really instead of functioning as i did brought meals for every out sounding d.-a gene to do they gave humanity's departments and of course well the problem is that they won't stop acting as if the interesting thing is that we hear

from the british defense establishment that russia is a real threat but six is doing everything that came into effect regime change in the united states so that is that what you do to friends. you know regret was not a threat we had to switch gears here g. twenty is coming up in the real world. mentioning g. twenty is that there's going to be well some interesting red faces i'm going to imagine with some of the guests that i think you know where i'm going so i think. it has already changed and then we do east because quietly quietly the siege of qatar is lifted so these men did not die for nothing quietly quietly. saying that it was the crew war that. the royal family you know us they us individually and kind of just. yeah i mean you can justify anything when we

could make a separate program on who makes the world cruel exam question you know but i mean this is going to be it's very interesting here is that the the the fact is the trump administration wants to rehabilitate the saudi crown prince and it's coming up against a lot of resistance yeah i mean trump is basically ignoring this because he so i just like this there would have been quicker i think it's actually pretty good and he said i was willing to give having carer's right now but you know so i guess that and i mean there is a point i mean it's obvious that us augie was an innocent journal he was a player he was a protege of the former intelligence chief of a former presume the crown prince and he was evidently involved in all kinds of initiatives with the cia to lay the groundwork against muhammad been solved and so i mean you know with that with n.g.o.s and initiatives that he was setting up so he

was a player you know of course that doesn't excuse what he did and trump is obviously following along with his you know campaign rhetoric which was saudi arabia and israel first or something like that. but i mean what you're talking about of the g. twenty is is of course a mahomedan saw and it's going to be around trying to go around and smiling and shaking hands and. danding like nothing happened i think to just you know. play you know what he did i think he ought to sit down at the table in the g twenty and just lay a bone saw down on the table where they are come on martin you know but the point is that trump said wes dane didn't wear stained. or visually he was standing there at the table when they would do these things to question you know he was not just thin didn't buy he's saying that he is then didn't wait to wake up bomber. we the government of ukraine what it is about in the in the interesting thing here is that

it's the kind of the oddity of trump's characterizations of the murder and the regime in riyadh is that he's basically saying his words reflect reality because foreign policy is not based on values it's based on us interests ok sure he said. he said in a very awkward way but he's probably the first president separate said it and that's really kind of interesting in itself it's refreshing in a way well in a weird way you have marked people change so for me ok president trump is still a business pro-business man he's very pragmatic so he is free and so it certainly is not transactional everything that is so business first. in this case he i think it tries to create as much uncertainty as possible saying maybe yes maybe no we don't know exactly who is guilty who is north why the decision was made and so on so for him to but that's really odd rhetoric from a guy that always knows what what's right and what's wrong i mean most of the only topic i think he's ever come across like he was all so much like he wants to keep

any option open for him which is for the steps the market is. something that's going to. pull troops foreign policy initiatives in the middle east down i mean the great the great bargain with the israelis the saudis i mean you know. it's only two people now you know it's bibi netanyahu and trump that are orders of the crown prince and yeah and netanyahu i think is certainly doing a lot to prevent the behind closed doors to prevent and discourage the u.s. from doing anything and let's be perfectly honest. told in rhetoric are you know one thing but no other u.s. president is going to substantially decrease u.s. relations with saudi arabia because of this they they simply would have might have preferred to see a different evil crown prince so you know in saudi arabia but all is not.

here because with these saudi arabia was clearly counting on these oil sanctions against iran and other countries remember the backdrop of all of this that israel and saudi arabia want is the u.s. to go to conflict with iraq or right and these oil waivers that trump granted its allies you know you know japan turkey iraq saudi arabia you know well it only got one right but you know india and china countries that obviously weren't going to fall in any way has dropped the oil price because the markets were expecting these sanctions and the oil price went up and now it dropped another like twenty dollars a barrel saudis are very unhappy about this because they're but budget is still very precariously balanced and overspent so they're very they think that the trump administration has betrayed them by granting waivers to its allies when it was counting on a high oil price to carry it through well there may be

a way we're still some of the allies by michael pounds for the vice president to use some very tough rhetoric against china right because we're going to be another interesting meeting exactly that see what the g. twenty. story with oil prices. has said that we slapped arius on the cheney's groups vote with two hundred fifty billion dollars. and we want china to change its behavior well that's a nice way to put it you know russia and china they have to behave like normal nations this is what we hear that you're going to be little bit if you don't like your country's actually that's a good question about that i think a lot of the all of us on. what does it mean exactly behaving like a normal state that takes in the rug you know what it is in. places where they don't see it but see the american political we don't see they can't see the irony in it all because of this kind of moral righteousness ok again going back to

trump's kind of weird transparent. reflections and descriptions of u.s. relations with saudi arabia i mean he doesn't use this word we're doing it for human rights we're doing it for democracy at least he's not said that ok but someone like pencils stripe certainly does believe that because only the american way is the only way it is the only right way the point is that. russia and china have to survive together in this situation because both targeted by the united states and all their attempts to cut the deal to somehow separate yourself from the american is not left the station it's impossible so i think these g. twenty meeting and meeting will show what the real objects to positional forces if china tries to survive alone well the interesting thing is that trump leaves that the u.s. should lead but we'll end on this note if you were a viewer people are following ok that's all the time we have many thanks and i guess he remarks this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the

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